Leisure => Retail => General Stores => Topic started by: Signals99 on September 02, 2013, 23:12:09

Title: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Signals99 on September 02, 2013, 23:12:09
To all you old Rochester lads & lasses, looking for the name of the haberdashers in Victoria Street. It was on the left hand side looking towards Star Hill from the bottom of East Row. You went up three steps to enter the premises, inside you went back thirty years, small cane chairs for the customers, everything in neat wooden trays and a wonderful old Grandfather clock in the corner.
My mother bought her corsets there, a wonderful construction of whale bone, yards of pink lace all topped (or bottomed  off by a set of suspenders designed to support a battleship.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: prb on September 02, 2013, 23:30:04
Can only remember Wares in Victoria Street
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Mike S on September 03, 2013, 00:18:16
Yes, it was Wares, at some time in the 1950's. They had pencils - triangular in section with their name printed on them. This was presumably an advertising excercise with pencils being given to customers. My father had one, but he was not a customer, he workrd for the opposition - Leonards in the High Street.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Rochester-bred on September 03, 2013, 09:01:02
I bought some of my sons baby clothes from Wares and anything from buttons, ribbon, wool, etc.

Does anyone remember the shop opposite Wares on the other side of the road where they sold things like nails, screws and bits of D.I.Y. things. I even remember going in and getting the odd bolt for my pram and also door knobs, but I can`t remember its name and wasn't there a butchers on the same side of the road as well as a fishmongers?
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Mike S on September 03, 2013, 09:22:17
The DIY shop was Woodcrafts, owned by a man by the name of Philbrick, can't remember his first name.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: peterchall on September 03, 2013, 10:13:20
I bought the materials to make my daughters' (plural because it was passed down the line like clothes) dolls-house at Woodcrafts. It included very small patterned wall-paper and miniature furniture, so presumably it specialised in such stuff and is why I went there from Chatham. The dolls-house - a bungalow of which the roof lifted off to give easy access - is still in my loft.

I believe the Ware family suffered a tragedy when the daughter was killed in an accident on her wedding morning.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Signals99 on September 03, 2013, 12:05:56
Rochester-bred.
Correct on all three shops, the fishmongers was Squirrels, as stated the hardware shop was Woodcrafts, I think the butchers was Williams, and next to that was a newsagent.
There was a public house next to Squirrels, on the corner of a cul-de sac (back entrance to SEEB showrooms.). On the corner of Victoria Street and East Row was the old brewery building, plus a shop that at one time was an off licence.
PM sent to PTB and MIKE S ref Wares shop. Thank you gents :)
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Lyn L on September 03, 2013, 13:31:46
A friend of mine was the best friend of the daughter of the last owner of Wares. I can't remember the lady`s name now but seem to think she was a Ware before marriage. I believe she sold the business due to her failing health, Parkinson's Disease springs to mind.
It was an amazing shop, but some of her stock had been there years and yet she knew exactly where anything was. I bought all sorts of things there, when I was knitting (for England it seemed) I would always go there for wool and patterns. I will contact my friend and see if she's still in touch with the daughter and maybe find out a little more  ?
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Signals99 on September 03, 2013, 16:02:25
Lyn L
I recall an elderly lady in the shop sometimes, always wore high neck dresses invariably fastened at the neck by a cameo broach. Also a very dapper middle aged man called Robert who was always fussing around her. I do believe it was the owner and her son. As I say, when you entered Wares you went back almost to Victorian times, one of my dear old dads observations. Hope this helps.



Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: peterchall on September 03, 2013, 17:41:53
I note that there is now what seems to be an archway through to the back of some houses/flats next to the domestic appliance shop, and my wife says that's where the shop was - I thought it was a bit further along and recall a double fronted, black painted, shop with 2 or 3 steps up to a set-back door. My domestic bliss depends on the answer :)

So did another retail business replace Wares or was the building replaced when the business was sold? Any ideas of dates? 
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Lyn L on September 03, 2013, 18:15:22
PC, your wife is right  :) That is where the shop was and it was double fronted with the steps up to the doorway.

The date it closed had to be in the  1980s I think ? and I'm sure nothing else replaced it before it was demolished .  I'll try and get some more info though.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: peterchall on September 03, 2013, 20:26:23
PC, your wife is right  :)
And she doesn’t even come from Rochester – oh the shame of it :)

Apart from being born in Rochester, I lived there from 1936-1938 and 1940-1952, and Ware’s was there during the later period if not the earlier one. So I wonder just how far back it went as a family business, and if anyone owned it previously.

My wife doesn’t remember the accident to the daughter that I mentioned earlier, so I think it must have been before we met in 1946, because I remember it as a big local story. She fell into a bath of scalding water on the morning of what would have been her wedding day - but, of course, memories are fallible. I’m sure it’s the origin of my practice of always putting the cold water in first when running a bath
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: scoop on September 03, 2013, 22:13:03
Robert Ware, Draper is in Kellys 1922 through 1938 at 15 Victoria Street then later 11, 13, 15 Victoria Street. Can't see an entry in earlier Kellys.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Signals99 on September 04, 2013, 05:46:28
Scoop, thank you for the verification of Robert Ware's name. Sometimes, reading other people's blogs dredges up long forgotten memories, childhood recollections of mum dragging me into Wares shop (it was so boring to me).
Still, the cake shop next door was a compensation, the lady who served had to come up a flight of stairs to the shop, she got really upset if you only wanted one thing. What I wouldn't give for one of those meringues now. :)
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: peterchall on September 04, 2013, 11:06:23
Great find, Scoop :)
If LynL is correct and Ware’s finally closed in the 1980’s, the firm existed for about 60 years. Do the pre-1922 Kelley’s show who occupied No 15 before Ware’s did?

Presumably Ware’s took over Nos 11 and 13 in 1939 and converted the whole lot into one shop with one door, numbered 11, 13 and 15 to avoid re-numbering – unless there was a ‘private’ door at one end or the other of the premises.

Which raises a point about location:
(http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt309/petec-photo/Wares.jpg) (http://s622.photobucket.com/user/petec-photo/media/Wares.jpg.html)
The domestic appliance shop is No 3, so presumably No 1 was in the space to its left. If so, there would have been Nos 5, 7 and 9 between it and Ware’s, probably in the space now occupied by the premises each side of the archway, with the white upper floor. That would have put Ware’s where the houses with lower roofs than those beyond are - just by the back of the white van -  approximately opposite The Terrace, which is where I thought it was.

Do any editions of Kelley’s show the occupants of 5, 7 and 9 at any time?

Signals99, you mention a cake shop next to Ware’s; can you remember if it was to the right or left?
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Signals99 on September 04, 2013, 12:59:36
Peterchall,
The cake shop was the shop now occupied by the Instant Service store, the door was on the left up three steps. I think it was called Bucket's. I do know for certain the cakes/bread came from a bakery in St Margarets Street, next to a school.


Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: scoop on September 04, 2013, 17:08:41
No luck on who was there immediately before Wares.  Going back to 1911 Census, the odds were all private houses except No. 25 The Brewery Arms.

Kellys Victoria Street - Rochester
1918
2 - Wren William Charles, Confectioner
8- Mangon Annie (Mrs.), Dress Maker
18 - Hopper Hy., Antique Furniture Dealer & 121 High St.
20 - Moss Percy S. City Arms PH
25 - Reaks William John, Brewery Arms PH

Rochester & Chatham Joint Hospital for Infectious Diseases (St. William's) medical officer C. J. Mangon, 8 Victoria St
Rochester Conservative & Liberal Unionist Association - Registration Office

1922
2 - Ducker & Rowthorn, Upholsterers
6 - Shrobsole Ellen Margt. (Mrs.), Shopkeeper
15 - Ware Robert, Draper
18 - Egan Richard John, Fish Dealer
19 - Jeferiss Frederick Burroughs M.R.C.S Eng., L.R.C.P Lond., F.R.C.S Edin., Physician & Surgeon
20 - Moss Percy S., City Arms PH
25 - Reaks William John, Brewery Arms PH

Rochester & Chatham Joint Hospital for Infectious Diseases (St. William's) medical officer C. J. Mangon, 8 Victoria St
Rochester Conservative & Liberal Unionist Association - Registration Office

1930
2 & 6 - Shrobsole Ellen Margt. (Mrs.), Confectioner
8 - Mangon Charles John, Accountant, Estate & insurance agent, & clerk to Rochester & Chatham joint hospital board
9 - Briggs Ernest Jn., Confectioner
11, 13 & 15 - Ware Rt. Draper
12 - Romney A. & N., Watch Makers
18 - Egan Rd. Jn., Fish Dealer
18 - Johnson Ada Emily (Mrs.), Midwife
19 - Thomas Jn. Oscar M.C., M.D.Lond., M.R.C.S.Eng, M.R.C.P.Lond, Physician & Surgeon
20 - Jones Hy. City Arms PH
23 - Katcher Joseph, Tailor
25 - Reaks Wm. Jn., Brewery Arms PH

Gibb Alfd. Ernest, Carpenter & Joiner Victoria St. & 62 Cecil Rd
Crossland Chas. A. Registrar of Births Deaths & Marriages for Strood Sub-district, Victoria St
Style & Winch Ltd, Brewers; Stores, Acorn Wharf & Wine & spirit Mers. Victoria St

Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: peterchall on September 04, 2013, 17:45:46
Thanks Signals99 and Scoop.

Going along Victoria Street from Star Hill, using Google SV, we have on the left:
‘Instant Service’, the domestic appliance shop = No 3.
2 houses with white upper storeys = Nos 5 & 7
3 houses with ‘lightish', brickwork = Nos 9, 11, 13
1 house with darker brickwork = No 15
A large double fronted house = No 17
Another single fronted house = No 19
The offices of ‘Nomen’, a consultancy firm, with 3 doors = Nos 21, 23, 25.

No 3 is definite according to the shop’s website, ‘Nomen’ is in the phone book as 25 Victoria Street, and its premises were once the ‘Brewery Arms’ pub, also listed as No 25 in ‘Dead Pubs’ website. So the end numbers are unaltered and I assume the intervening numbers are also unaltered.

So one the one hand we have Signals99’s memory of a cake shop at No 3, next door to Ware’s, and LynL’s and my wife’s memory of Ware’s at that end of the street.

On the other hand there is my (outnumbered) memory of Ware’s being about halfway along the street, supported by Scoop’s Kelly’s Directory.

So please, all Kelly’s owners, or anyone else’s memory  - HELP! :)
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: scoop on September 04, 2013, 18:19:44
"2 houses with white upper storeys = Nos 5 & 7"  - I think this is/was 3 buildings Nos. 5, 7 & 9.  Each having 2 windows on the upper floor.

"3 houses with ‘lightish', brickwork = Nos 9, 11, 13" - Are 11, 13, 15 if you zoom in on GSV.


Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Lyn L on September 04, 2013, 19:06:32
Going by the numbers from 19 onwards. That building seems to have been a Doctors house/surgery for an awful long time. I've completely forgotten the name of the Dr that was there ( it's on the tip of my tongue but won't appear !) He was well known and I'm sure someone knows who it was, he seemed to have a lot of the building but I wouldn't know what numbers they were, as I never visited the man.  The building was empty for a long time before being refurbished just a few years back.

Shall be ringing my friend this evening for a little bit more info ' on the last years of Wares.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: redge on September 04, 2013, 19:19:22
Kelly's 1974,  Victoria Street, Rochester.
# 1, Associated Newspapers, Distribution Centre, Victoria Hall.
# 3, Instant Service.
# 5, Clarance Laundry.  # 5, Whitlock (flat)
# 7, Ann Graham, Ladies Hairdressers. # 7. G Brooks (flat)
# 9, S. Cox, Baker.  # 9, Mrs Franks (flat)
#11/15, Wares, Drapers. #15, Mrs M Percy (flat)
#17, Cyril Brigden.
#19/21. Victoria St Clinic, #19, Sydney Gee (flat)
                                    #19, Hilda Elman (flat)
#23, Mrs Moore.
#25, Brewery Arms, Public House.
 
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Lyn L on September 04, 2013, 19:28:21
Thanks redge, solved my 'brain' mystery for me, Dr Sidney Gee. The surname came to me shortly after I posted .
And I'd forgotten the hairdressers there at no7. I even used to have mine done there! Although it was under a different name when I used it. Got to make that phone call now though. :)
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: numanfan on September 04, 2013, 19:56:29
Kelly's of 1955 shows many of the shops that have been mentioned, including the bakers at No.9.

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/KellysVictoriaSt1955001_zps5b15b954.jpg) (http://s727.photobucket.com/user/numanfan/media/KellysVictoriaSt1955001_zps5b15b954.jpg.html)   (http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/KellysVictoriaSt1955001-001_zpse6411d92.jpg) (http://s727.photobucket.com/user/numanfan/media/KellysVictoriaSt1955001-001_zpse6411d92.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: peterchall on September 04, 2013, 21:22:02
Thanks to Scoop, Redge and Numanfan it’s clearer. :)

Starting from the far end and working back towards Star Hill, we have:
•   25 = Brewery Arms with just one number. Silly of me to assume that because it had 3 doors it had 3 numbers.
•   23 = Miss Milford (1955); Miss Moore (1974)
•   21 =Now derelict single storey. Part of Doctor’s in 1974
•   19 = Doctor’s in 1955 and 1974
•   17 = Darker bricked house. Cyril Brigden (1974)

That makes the 3 lighter bricked houses Nos 11, 13, and 15, as stated by Scoop. Being of the same appearance it is more likely that was the location of Ware’s shop than my earlier assumption that it consisted of 2 light bricked and 1 dark bricked house - I wasn’t happy with that.

Then the bakers at No 9 in 1955 and 1974 accords with Signal99’s memory of it being next to Ware’s.

Then the Nos 1 to 7 records in 1955 and 1974 all fit. I had assumed 2 houses in the white topped part because of 2 doors, but can see that it could be 3 flats – in fact, in Reply#9 I referred to them as ‘houses/flats’

Does that all make sense?

Looking forward to LynL's update.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Lyn L on September 04, 2013, 21:52:55
You will have to wait a bit longer  :) I tried the number I had and it wasn't the right one, back to the drawing board. Can get it tomorrow, her parents are neighbours of mine .
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: peterchall on September 04, 2013, 22:17:16
If it's not being morbid, I'd like to know if my memory of the family tragedy is correct.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: scoop on September 04, 2013, 23:20:04
Peterchall, I can't see any likely 'Ware' Female Deaths registered in Chatham or Medway districts between 1925 & 1955.  The youngest I found was aged 53.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Signals99 on September 05, 2013, 00:03:31
My apologies to all ref cake shop name, it was Cox. I spoke to an old friend, she lived in Gravel Walk.
Dr Gee had the surgery next to the pub, it was a private practice, he specialised in "anti social diseases as well as general medicine.
Next to Cox's was an old builder's yard, the side facing Victoria Street was obscured by a large hoarding, the hall at the back housed a printing press for the Evening Standard; they printed the classified results on the late editions(horse racing /foot ball).
I asked her about the Ware tragedy ,said she would think about it .
Mentioned a plumbing firm instead & reed?in the area, any feed back on that one?
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Rochester-bred on September 05, 2013, 08:48:45
Going back to Wares when I was first engaged as a teen I would look in the 3 large windows and pick things to go in my bottom drawer for my marriage and home like napkins,table clothes, aprons etc  ,I even bought baby clothes to pack away there too advance planning I know,we don't seem to have bottom drawers these days how sad ,but I have a picture of when my first son was a baby in a beautiful Wares outfit a Romper suit which was a little dress over matching briefs/pants, the ladies on here will know the kind I mean,strange when my grandchildren see the picture they ask why did I dress their dad in a girls clothes not understanding that was the style back them, one day I will learn to upload pictures on here as I have a few but Iv not been able to work it out.
 Signals The pub The Brewery arms was another haunt of my dads ,actually I cant think of a pub which was not in Rochester , next door Dr Gee used to sell slimming pills as part of his private practise as a neighbour used him all the time (they never worked). Oh how I love the old memories. :)
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: smiler on September 05, 2013, 09:25:24
Lady that owned Wares was Margaret Percy, husband Ron was a tanker driver for Harold Wood, daughter Kelly. They lived in a large detached house on City Way above the George, opposite the chemists.
Margaret had a small factory opposite Wares behind the newsagents making babyware.
When coming out of Wares she moved to Preistfields. I think the shop closed early 90s as I was living in Spain at the time and whenever we came back my wife made a point of going there. 
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Signals99 on September 05, 2013, 11:03:12
"Oh how I love old memories", Rochester-bred.
We all have our reasons for subscribing to KHF, some enthuse over old fortifications, some love a mystery, others love delving into the past. There are even those who get a kick from locomotives/railways.
There is the serious researcher, happy to provide obscure facts and figures from bygone days.
Each and every one makes up team KHF.
All watched over by the great controller KYN  :) Is she real? We may never know. Occasionally she who must be obeyed deems to sort us minions out (personally I think it`s smiler in drag).
This is totally off thread, it's just my way of saying thanks to each and every one of you.
I do love old memories. :)
 
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on September 06, 2013, 09:36:00
Same as you Signals99, I love to read all these old memories. I replied to one about Dr Gee then found another about  Wares the "haberdashers" which answered my question about what they did and was that the word to describe them.:-)
And Buckets the bakers was mentioned as well. Going to St Margaret's and smelling those wonderful smells from the bakery and sampling the hot fresh loaves has given me a life long love of bread and I can see the evidence of that in the mirror......
AlanH.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Mike S on September 06, 2013, 10:10:52
AlanH - I think that the Bakers you refer to was probably Bowketts - remember it well.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: peterchall on September 06, 2013, 10:58:13
The dictionary description of ‘haberdasher’ is a seller of sewing materials, but Ware’s were much more than that. They sold textile fabrics, making them ‘drapers’, and clothes, which made them – what?

I stand to be corrected, but I think they were ready made clothes, and the clothes were mainly (or wholly) women’s and children’s. My eldest daughter remembers going there for sewing materials etc until at least the early-mid 80’s; since she lived in Rainham it must have been worthwhile travelling that distance. I can only remember going in there as a kid, with my mother, but agree with Signals99 that it was a step back it time and wouldn’t have been out of place in a Dickensian novel.

It doesn’t look as if I will get any confirmation of the family tragedy (thanks for checking the registers, Scoop) but it sprang immediately to my mind when this thread opened - my mind’s eye shows my grandmother talking about it, so it goes back many years and I’m reluctant to admit that it was a figment of my imagination created by this thread.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Signals99 on September 07, 2013, 08:42:23
Hi Peterchall
Spot on ref. Wares goods, they sold mostly children's & women's clothing plus a vast array of knitting, sewing and embroidery impedimenta, all good quality merchandise.
My mother always bought my grey flannel school shorts/trousers there, any one remember the black and yellow elastic belts with a snake (S shape) clasp?
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on September 07, 2013, 10:08:27
Definitely Buckets Mike S. Right next door to St Margarets. My other half knew the daughter Jill well and she married a bloke named Colin Baxter.
I've got the smell of that bread in mind right now.......
AlanH.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: peterchall on September 07, 2013, 11:03:20
...........any one remember the black and yellow elastic belts with a snake (S shape) clasp?
I certainly remember the belts with the 'snake' clasp, but think they were available in a variety if colours, not just black and yellow. Are they no longer made?
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Ron Stilwell on September 07, 2013, 11:23:25
I wouldn't have thought they would be, but there are loads of new ones on Ebay.  About £5 each.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: smiler on September 07, 2013, 15:01:27
The snake belts were made in all school colours I went to Glencoe Rd where the colours were red & green. (Bought from Paines Chatham High St)
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Lyn L on September 08, 2013, 15:50:50
Well... just a little more to add. Margaret Percy bought the business from Mr and Mrs Ware (not sure of the date though). She did have the factory across the road making baby clothes, then branched out with the shop. Also had a Hairdressers but whether this was the business next door to Wares, I'm not sure.  My friend is now going to speak to the daughter, Kelly, and get proper dates if she can, but thinks the shop closed in the 1990s. Ron Percy died about 1980 (I remember visiting him and Kelly in the house in City Way). Margaret died in April 2004. She was in a home in Maidstone for a number of years suffering from Dementia.

Kelly apparently has a wonderful picture hanging on a wall at her home, of the shop. I'll see if I can get a copy  :)
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: peterchall on September 08, 2013, 16:11:14
A picture of the shop would revive some memories :)
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Lyn L on September 08, 2013, 16:25:02
I'm now going to wait for a phone call from Kelly herself, so may be able to get the pic and maybe more information ? I'll be back ( hopefully )  :)
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on June 29, 2015, 09:22:44
There was a bus stop right outside of Wares and right opposite the pub for the 145 and 146 route. We could look at the pub and possibly see RBs dad (and probably mine  :) ) coming out/going in or look at Wares wares....
AlanH.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Troyboy on June 29, 2015, 20:19:36
Am I correct in remembering that Wares had the carriers ( in two halves that screwed together) on wires near the ceiling, when the staff pulled a cord it pinged them from the counters to the cashiers office in the corner.
As Signals99 mentioned in reply 28, about the printing press, I used to take the Evening Standard there before delivering them on the evening paper round. Also in the hall the Red Cross used have First Aid courses.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Mike S on June 29, 2015, 20:33:47
Troyboy, I think that you may well be correct about the money carriers in Wares shop. Somewhere I have got a pencil which is triangular in section which was printed with Wares address and telephone number, and was given to customers in the 1950's. The newspaper office with the printing machine was either Evening News or Star - manager was Ron Green. I did evening paper round from there 1957-1959, when I left Warren Wood.Our paths may well have crossed as we are both about the same age.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Signals99 on June 30, 2015, 11:42:15
Troy boy, the paper that used that press to print the classified results was the Star, I remember this as when you went down the steps behind the Majestic/Gaumont, on the right hand side was a lintel over the back stage door which had a chalk written message "STAR BOYS FOREVER". It was written by a Rochester man known as "Shack", he sold the Star for many years, mainly in the station forcourt at that time there was a very ornate passenger shelter there, I think it was removed when they demolished the war time emergency water tank that stood along side it.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Rochester-bred on June 30, 2015, 12:40:05
Signals99, I knew "Shack" really well, he also sold papers where the old Barclays bank is now, he was a friend of my parents and as we lived In Bardell Terrace we used to see him every day.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: smiler on July 01, 2015, 09:19:13
I remember Shack well and a few other newspaper sellers but like most people never understood a word they shouted  :)
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Signals99 on July 01, 2015, 19:00:27
Hi guys and gals. Ref  "Shack", he was a local man born and bred in the city of Rochester. He only ever had one coat, a fawn Macintosh that he used summer and winter for as long as I knew him.
His personal hygiene left a lot to be desired. He once got removed from Andy's snacks for some reason or other, Andy made the mistake of touching him, the rest was history.
Think he had relatives in the High Street area, but alas he is no longer with us. Sells the War Cry now.
Third cloud on the left.😰
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: KeithJG on July 24, 2015, 17:20:56
Troyboy, I think that you may well be correct about the money carriers in Wares shop. Somewhere I have got a pencil which is triangular in section which was printed with Wares address and telephone number, and was given to customers in the 1950's. The newspaper office with the printing machine was either Evening News or Star - manager was Ron Green. I did evening paper round from there 1957-1959, when I left Warren Wood.Our paths may well have crossed as we are both about the same age.

I used to deliver the Evening News at Result Time 5pm on a Saturday along with a few other scooterists.

They had their own scooter a white and blue 150cc Lambretta with a large yellow box on the passenger seat where all the papers went for delivery.

I can`t remember Ron Green as the manager as I was a friend of Ron Green who was one of his sons, it may have been his Father`s name also?

Ron Green owned a blue mini 7 and a few of us used to go out every Saturday evening. I think he had an elder son who was on the traffic Police with a car, you would always here him going through Rochester and Strood with the siren going because of the traffic but he was only going home for dinner in Strood....Lol

This was 1965 and the printing place was the Victoria Hall, the first place into Victoria Street on the left. The entrance down a slope to the rear of the hall. A picture of my black GT200 by the hoardings which surrounded this part of Star Hill.......the other picture is mine also of my friends scooters. The light is where the papers were printed with the results, the red arrow points to the approx. position in Victoria Street.

Sidney Gee....was a doctor`s surgery but also he used to distribute weight losing pills as I accompanied a few work women there in about 1977. The pills were pig fat and he went to court about it all and I believe he was struck off, it was all on the BBC news at the time.

All hell used to let loose at 5pm, it was like the start of a race just to get the papers out quick for the Saturday Football results.

Happy Times.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Lyn L on July 24, 2015, 17:44:45
Love the scooter pics thanks, brings back an awful lot of memories  :)
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Signals99 on July 24, 2015, 22:21:50
KeithJG, thanks for the photos of Victoria Street, brings back lots of memories, I lived in Union Street, so I grew up in that area.
I well recall the scooter boys you mention, as a very good pal of mine, Richard Hallet (known to all as Dick), was a paper boy there. I used to hang about in the print room and help out stacking and sorting the reams ready to print the clasisified results. Do you recall the small cake shop next door? Buckets rings a bell but I may well be wrong, the poor women who worked there had to come up from the basement to serve in the shop, she got really miffed if you only wanted one cake..Another memory, the smell of two stroke oil as the boys left the small parking place.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: KeithJG on July 26, 2015, 18:11:29
KeithJG, thanks for the photos of Victoria Street, brings back lots of memories, I lived in Union Street, so I grew up in that area.
I well recall the scooter boys you mention, as a very good pal of mine, Richard Hallet (known to all as Dick), was a paper boy there. I used to hang about in the print room and help out stacking and sorting the reams ready to print the clasisified results. Do you recall the small cake shop next door? Buckets rings a bell but I may well be wrong, the poor women who worked there had to come up from the basement to serve in the shop, she got really miffed if you only wanted one cake..Another memory, the smell of two stroke oil as the boys left the small parking place.

Thanks for the replies. I can hear that printing machine now and Ron counting them off and slamming them on the large wooden counter. We had to be quick and put them in our dirty brown hessian paper bag and get out quick down the road.

I had the route through the High St. and over the bridge into Strood and finished half way up North St. on the left, that was my last drop-off.

I used to remember all the Newspaper shop names but now i forgotten all of them...Lol

Yes, I do remember that cake shop also, very small place, also the ironmongers opposite as I was an apprentice Joiner and that shop had everything and more.

The high wooden counters and behind were walls of draws with all the small items in. The shop owner knew exactly what he had and where it was!
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: salou2013 on January 14, 2018, 12:57:45
Going by the numbers from 19 onwards. That building seems to have been a Doctors house/surgery for an awful long time. I've completely forgotten the name of the Dr that was there ( it's on the tip of my tongue but won't appear !) He was well known and I'm sure someone knows who it was, he seemed to have a lot of the building but I wouldn't know what numbers they were, as I never visited the man.  The building was empty for a long time before being refurbished just a few years back.

Shall be ringing my friend this evening for a little bit more info ' on the last years of Wares.
i worked at Wares from 1980 till 1985, for Margaret Percy, we had great fun, she sold up and sadly passed away a few years ago.
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on January 17, 2018, 08:52:43
As far as my wife can recall the doctors name was Gee. I asked if she knew his Christian name and she said ...."Doctor......."  :)
Sorry I can't be of more assistance except the latest from her is she believes he gave up general practice to be an authorised medical abortionist.
AlanH. 
Title: Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
Post by: Roseann on January 17, 2018, 09:15:42
Doctor Sidney Gee was his name, his surgery was number 19 Victoria street next door to the last building which was a public house, The Brewery Arms.