Day to Day => Towns & Villages => Topic started by: mikeb on January 11, 2018, 16:18:57

Title: Chatham Alleys
Post by: mikeb on January 11, 2018, 16:18:57
Whilst researching family history I have found references to Brock Alley (1871) and Weekes Alley (1878) as being off the High Street Chatham. Can anyone advise please, is this the same Alley but renamed, or two seperate places, and just where were they?
Title: Re: Chatham Alleys
Post by: filmer01 on January 11, 2018, 18:31:12
Looking for my Great Grandmother in the 1871 Census, I found her at 242 (old numbering) High Street, which is noted to be The Fountain, later numbered 248. Between there and The White Hart on the corner of Rhode Street (235 in this Census, 262 when renumbered) there are 10 dwellings in Barneys Alley, as well as The Prince of Wales and the Abyssinian Ale House, next to each other between the Alley and number 237.

So hopefully if someone knows one alley location, they may know another.

By the way, great granny was listed as 18, but was in fact a few days short of being 17years old. Curiously only her (servant) and a 39year old Barmaid were shown as in residence of what is quite a big old pub. Curiously I can't find the listed publican Robert Gibbons anywhere else.
Title: Re: Chatham Alleys
Post by: grandarog on January 11, 2018, 19:06:50
Probably not much help:-
 2 Cottages up for sale 6 June 1891
 4 Cottages up for sale 30 May 1891
In Brock Alley Chatham.

   28th February 1863:  The Chatham News reported the death of a woman after child birth, Mrs Sarah Rutter, who had been living in the Weekes Alley, High Street, Chatham .

Note the use of "The",maybe alley belonged to a property owned by Weekes.
Title: Re: Chatham Alleys
Post by: Longpockets on January 11, 2018, 20:01:28
1861 Census Starting at Ref RG9 481 243

Following a listing for 127 & 126 High St. there are two dwellings listed in Brocks Alley, followed by two dwellings in Brock's Court, this is followed by two dwellings in Weekes Alley. Then Rennard's Cottages, two dwellings, Weekes Alley, 124 & 125 High Street, five dwellings Coachmans Court, 124 High Street.

I hope this is of use and helps.
Title: Re: Chatham Alleys
Post by: mikeb on January 11, 2018, 20:44:22
Thanks Longpockets, filmer01 & grandarog.
1871 census gives these addresses....... No.130, 129, 2 x Back House, 2 x Brock Alley, 128, 127, 126,  3 x Weekes Alley, 3 x Upson Alley,  2 x Weekes Cottages, 121........
Clearly then Brock & Weekes Alleys were seperate not one & the same. I am not familiar with the High Street numbering but I thought it started from the Rochester end?
Title: Re: Chatham Alleys
Post by: Longpockets on January 12, 2018, 08:55:26
Again from the 1861 census, prior to numbers 127 & 126 at number 132 was the Coach and Horses public house and after numbers 124 & 125 at 116 was the Little George public house (I think that's what it says)

There is a topic on the forum on the Coach and Horses which gives its location and there is information on the internet on the Little George's location, with a photograph.
Title: Re: Chatham Alleys
Post by: smiffy on January 12, 2018, 15:19:28
This map from the 1860's shows the Little George and the Coach and Horses. The building occupied by the Little George seems to have survived but is now a pawnbrokers. The Coach and Horses has gone, replaced by the buildings which used to house the Co-op. There are several covered alley entrances nearby both pubs so any of these could be either Weekes or Brock alleys.
Title: Re: Chatham Alleys
Post by: mikeb on January 12, 2018, 17:16:29
Thanks for the map smiffy. Comparing that with the census return for 1871 Coach & Horses was No. 132 and The Black Boy 120. Brocks Alley lay between 128 / 129 and Weekes Alley between Weekes Pawnbrokers 126 and Weekes Cottages which are not numbered, possibly part of the shop premises?. The numbering seems to be slightly hit & miss, the enumerator records 2 x 121, one I believe to be 125.
So I think we have it as near as possible. Thanks again to all.
Title: Re: Chatham Alleys
Post by: numanfan on January 14, 2018, 20:02:39
If you want to tread the same footsteps as your ancestor, Weeks' Alley is still there opposite the Central Theatre!!

In the 1926 Kelly's Directory the alley is between no.'s 173 & 175 High Street. I'm fairly certain the numbering hasn't changed since.

Those buildings also look untouched - these screenshots from GSV show Demelza House at 173 & Shoe Zone at 175.

There is now a Café & Launderette down the alley, but I've no idea what the buildings are like that are being used.

It's worth noting that in 1926 there weren't any residents of Weeks' Alley.
Title: Re: Chatham Alleys
Post by: mikeb on January 15, 2018, 11:01:49
Many thanks for that numanfan, next time I'm in Chatham I'll take a look. The Alley must run down to the Pentagon "wall"?
I never thought that an alleyway from C1860/70 would still exist in Chatham to-day!
Title: Re: Chatham Alleys
Post by: smiffy on January 15, 2018, 13:13:05
If you take a look at the 1860's map, it's the fourth one to the left of the Coach & Horses. As you say, it's amazing it's still there.