History in Kent => Life Writing => Topic started by: HERB COLLECTOR on July 28, 2019, 10:27:06

Title: Forum Problems
Post by: HERB COLLECTOR on July 28, 2019, 10:27:06
Posted on behalf of filmer01.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: filmer01 on July 28, 2019, 11:33:59
Herb Collector has very kindly opened this new thread. For some reason although I have a "New Topic" button on some boards, trying to use it results in the new message being held for "Approval by a Moderator" - and we can all guess that will not happen quickly.

My intention was to create a single point of reference so that we do not keep hijacking other threads, and keep our knowledge of the problems and suggestions in one place.

Using the Forum as intended while investigating a bit of Ancestry, I looked at the topic concerning "Ironmonger Lane/Corporation Street" and found that some of the posts are actually headed "Rochester High Street". Referenced photos are missing, and references to other posts in the High Street topic show that they are not included in the mix. When I searched there was no index reference to Rochester High Street in the Highways section.

My conclusion, from years of dealing with an old and grumpy database, is that a re-index is the very least required. It may be that the removal of those malicious hacks has had some other unintended consequences.

Have other such problems been found? If so post them here so when the Forum gets going again we know where the problems are and may even know how to resolve them.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Invicta Alec on July 28, 2019, 19:30:23
For people (like me) who still visit the forum frequently in the hope that it will be revived, I investigated and "discovered" the following.....

The forum consists of 17 categories which are subdivided into approximately 80 subsections.
16 of the categories are closed off in that they are read only.
1 category "History in Kent" is not marked in that way and 3 of its subsections "General history" , "Life writing"  and "Local families" are still active. In these subsections it is still possible to answer previous posts. It is also possible in these subsections to raise a new topic (the button remains active) but having gone to the trouble of making a new one (entitled Keeping the forum ticking over) I also ran into the "this needs moderator approval" problem. Herb collector suggested this might be because I only have a low post count. Filmer01 however has many many posts and is unable to post a new topic, so I'm at a loss to explain why.

It is obvious that a major part of the forum housekeeping would be to try to ensure new topics went into their appropriate categories. Since there is no housekeeping currently and if you find you are able to raise a new topic then I'd suggest "General History" would be a reasonable place to put it.

No way do I intend to cause any trouble to Kyn and its her decision of course what will eventually happen to the forum, but I thought it would be a show of solidarity if we could just keep things ticking over.

If everyone who reads this would either just click on the "like" button or better still just do a short reply it'll give a good indication of where we are as a group. (One word like "read" or "seen" would do).

Alec.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Lutonman on July 29, 2019, 15:10:21
I am with you Alec
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: smiffy on July 29, 2019, 15:24:30
I think that starting new topics in General History would be appropriate if they don't fit into either of the others - they can always be moved or merged into their correct place at a later date if this becomes possible. Unfortunately it looks like you still won't be able to attach any graphic files.

As for missing posts, a while back I was trying to find a topic I posted in (I may even have started it) regarding Strand Street in Sandwich which seems to have gone missing in its entirety. Looking back through my posting history, I find a gap of eleven weeks from June to September 2013 where all of my posts for that period seem to have been lost. Whether this has anything to do with the hacks or if there is another reason is open to question, but other members may find it interesting to have a look back through their own posts to see if they also have gaps in their history.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: filmer01 on July 29, 2019, 16:01:17
smiffy - was this topic also in Highways?

A quick glance down the last post dates for that board has a large gap in 2013 from March to November, most unusual.

Further reading of the mixed up Ironmonger/High Street threads, has Peter Challis referring to post #77, when the mixed up thread has less than 20. They were from 2010, apart from the last posting in 2012 - so are these posting dates reliable?
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on July 29, 2019, 20:41:22
From what I found when I investigated this a year ago, it seems that the Forum was restored to a point before the malicious entries began to be made. I found two of my posts missing. I'll re-post them here if that's okay. I was a moderator before the trouble began, so if there are posts to be approved, I can do that.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: smiffy on July 29, 2019, 20:48:04
I'm not sure if the Sandwich posting was in Highways - it might well have been in Towns and Villages.

Something odd has also happened in the "Rome House and Rome Lane" thread where there seem to be references to replies and graphic files that aren't there.

I believe kyn sometimes moved things around and merged certain topics, but this wouldn't explain the large gaps with missing posts we seem to have.

Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on July 29, 2019, 20:59:30
I've put some new ship stories in the General History section, 2, (HMS Goliath and HMS Dragon) were posts lost when the Forum was restored to an earlier point and HMS Syren is a completely new one.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Mickleburgh on July 30, 2019, 06:52:31
I`ve Just put something on `General History` to see how it goes and it came up as needing `moderating`
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Invicta Alec on July 30, 2019, 11:54:54
Bilgerat, can you approve Mickleburgh's topic?


Alec.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Signals99 on July 31, 2019, 03:34:36
Hi ,just looked in on the fourum out of habit I suppose,pleased to see all this activity.Bilgerat and all you other gents,can us"non tecis"help your efforts in any way?

Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 01, 2019, 16:44:10
I would imagine that the help needed would be along the lines of keeping an eye out for posts with poor spelling, grammar and anything else that doesn't meet the Forum rules, pointing them out so the mods can edit/correct them. Thanks for the offer. In Kyns continued absence, we all need to club together to maintain what we have. Thanks again....
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Stewie on August 01, 2019, 17:51:53
Stewie  reporting for duty in whatever role I can help with!
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 01, 2019, 18:27:02
Thanks for the offer Stewie. I can only repeat my last reply. Although I'm a moderator, I have no ability to promote other members enabling them to help with stuff. That would need Kyn to re-activate the Forum in full. I think that a mass appeal from the membership to her might grease the wheels and get us our forum back.

Thanks again.....
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 01, 2019, 18:31:41
I found that my post for HMS Goliath fell foul of the forum character limit, so I've re-jigged it so it appears in two parts. The original post only had half the story......
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Lutonman on August 02, 2019, 18:33:41
In reality the problem appears to be making contact with Kyn at all. I know a number of us have tried to make contact with no luck. She has also moved away from her last address.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: kms on August 03, 2019, 18:27:26
Good that someone has managed to engineer a new thread, rather than us occasionally commenting on other inappropriately titled threads.

I'm hoping the tech savvy people can cause some sort of resurrection, as I have a fair bit to post, even if its just about windmills.

Good luck all....
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Dave Smith on August 08, 2019, 14:24:56
InvictaAlec. I occasionally look on the KHF site- have done so for very many years but not a computer literate!- so agree with your thoughts on the matter of Forum Problems. Incidentally, how nice to see all those marvellous models again as well as fascinating history stories, on bilgerats mails, many thanks.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Invicta Alec on August 08, 2019, 18:14:58
Thanks for your post Dave Smith.

We are clinging on by our finger nails, so every contribution helps.

Alec.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 10, 2019, 17:07:47
I've bitten the bullet and tried to get in touch with Kev Wood via facebook. I've asked him to ask Kyn to get in touch with someone on the Forum so that the way forward can be discussed. I personally am happy to take the reins (I've already passed this message to Kyn via a third party and was told several months ago that she's "thinking about it").

Kev Wood is the other administrator for the site. Let's see if I get anything back from him.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: filmer01 on August 10, 2019, 17:14:29
I tried to contact Kev via the email tab on the forum members list, and also by a PM through the forum. Result is a very loud silence.

Bilgerat, have you tried to use your moderator powers to approve any new posts? Are they even showing?
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 10, 2019, 17:33:29
I'm not seeing any new posts awaiting approval mate...
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: filmer01 on August 10, 2019, 18:12:39
Well, as Local Hiker posted and got the moderator message, it looks like that doesn't work.

Shall I try reporting a post to a moderator and see if that pops up?
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 10, 2019, 18:37:12
Have a go. Lyn L is also a moderator and I'm chatting to her on facebook. She tells me that she's never seen any posts awaiting moderation either.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Local Hiker on August 10, 2019, 18:53:54
I have reported my post to the moderators to see if that makes it pop up to somebody.
Thanks to all who are trying to keep the forum ticking over, one way or another.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 10, 2019, 19:07:32
Not a sausage on my moderator page....
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Local Hiker on August 10, 2019, 19:27:43
Bilgerat, thanks for looking.
It must be because I am only a junior member as someone already suggested.
I tried posting a screenshot of my post just incase there are any clues as to why it has not appeared to others or moderators, but it just generated an error message regarding trying to add an attachment
I won't post anything else regarding this issue, I have taken up enough server space and people's time.
Thanks again to those trying to keep thing going, even if I cannot contribute directly.


Sheerness Docks
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 19:16:52 »
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Note: This message is awaiting approval by a moderator.
I note this week that the main Sheerness Steel Mill buildings on the Wellmarsh site are now all demolished and cleared. 

I believe those buildings left are to remain, (listed or ancient monument).

The old Naval Hospital (Ancient Monument) is now clearly visible, hitherto hidden by the main steel works buildings.
I seem to recall that Kyn was involved in saving the hospital from the wrecking ball.


http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=20312.0
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 10, 2019, 21:28:38
Not sure that's the reason, I think it's more to do with whatever Kyn did has left it in a complete mess. If and when it comes back in all it's glory, it's going to take some sorting out.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: smiffy on August 10, 2019, 23:39:35
Perhaps if you want to start a new topic but aren't allowed to, you could just leave a request here with the subject title. One of those who are able could then start it off for you with a "new thread request from (your name)" or something similar as the first post.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Local Hiker on August 11, 2019, 12:06:00
Thanks smiffy.
If that is possible, I put a copy of my unmoderated post , titled "Sheerness Docks", on reply #28 below.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: pr1uk on August 11, 2019, 12:09:14
How long do we wait until we realize the forum is dead and buried and what a terrible shame that will be. I check at least once a week but realize the hosting server as been paid for but the subs will run out eventually and one day the link will disappear for ever.
It will be sadly missed that's for sure
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Lyn L on August 11, 2019, 22:00:39
Just to add my tuppence worth, nothing has come my way at all  but will be very sad to see the end of the forum.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: howard on August 12, 2019, 07:30:19
What will be really sad is the loss of all the information on the forum should it close. Kyn always insisted that we use correct english and punctuation and kept to the point because she wanted it to be a historical document available to all in the future. I have found myself looking at this forum a number of times when Googling for something unusual.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: OilyRag on August 12, 2019, 09:19:59
Here is what I see as the issues here.

kenthistoryforum.co.uk is currently paid for as a domain name until 22 August 2020. That is the date at which we will start to have real problems because as soon as the registration expires the site will start to die. Its Registrar is 123-reg and it looks to be hosted on their server.

The forum consists of 2 components – SMF or Simple Machines Forum, the software by which we view and respond to posts, manage members etc and an SQL database which holds all the posts and member data.

The database is hopefully MySQL, but whatever it is that’s no big deal. That is the holy grail, it holds the data that has been built up over the years.

So in an ideal world a 123-reg account is setup held by a “kenthistoryforum” committee – that will cost nothing.

You then need to transfer the kenthistoryforum.co.uk domain into the new accounts ownership – to do that you need the old owners permission.

It would be nice to have the SMF admin passwords etc but that I don’t think is essential, what is needed is access to or the login for the SQL database.

Worst case, setup up kenthistoryforum.org, carry out the biggest cut and paste exercise ever and when the .co.uk domain expires grab it and either rename or repoint the domain.

But I repeat, the SQL database is the holy grail. The more we know about it the more chance we have of saving the data.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 12, 2019, 13:04:04
Sounds like a workable plan.

Let's give Kyn/Kev a reasonable time to respond to the various attempts being made to get in touch, say, after the forthcoming Bank Holiday weekend. If they haven't responded by then, I am happy to set up kenthistoryforum.com/org/whatever. We will then need a dedicated crew of cutters and pasters to manually rebuild the Forum on the new domain.

A monumental task I know, but as things stand, it's that or lose it altogether when the domain license runs out next year.

What do m'learned friends think?
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: smiler on August 12, 2019, 13:32:54
  I think it would be great Bilgerat sounds as if you're hearts in it so please kyn if you've had enough pass it over.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: filmer01 on August 12, 2019, 13:35:05
It certainly seems like a workable plan. Not sure how we deal with the missing/jumbled data, but I’m certainly up for helping in any way.

As we have a year, a short pause while kyn considers Bilgerats offer to take control is logical.

Early “No Deal” planning makes good sense though  :)
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Lutonman on August 12, 2019, 14:57:59
It seems a workable plan and we have a fair bit of time to transfer data if needed.

Perhaps we need to try and get Kyn's attention by a better bit of publicity, she seems to be ignoring emails, there is a facebook account and perhaps contact can be made via connections there or other methods say the newspaper. I'd rather she came along with us if at all possible its just her circumstances have made it impossible for her to continue.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Invicta Alec on August 12, 2019, 17:23:25
I'm willing to help in whatever way I can.

Alec.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 12, 2019, 21:24:57
Thank you for your kind offer Alec, it's much appreciated.

On a related note, I've put out an appeal on the Medway History Facebook group for anyone who is in contact with Kyn or Kev to ask them to get in touch with myself or any of the other Forum moderators. Time to wait and see.....
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: jimawilliams on August 13, 2019, 00:33:52
As many of us would know life can get real tough at times and priorities change dramatically for people.  Kyn has created and run this incredible resource, which means so much in different ways to many, for so long.  It is simply just too good to loose and as a group I feel we should collectively do our best to preserve this resource for all in the future.
So happy to help out where I can from Australia
Cheers to all
Jim
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 13, 2019, 09:47:26
Agree 100% Jim, which is why we're proposing what we are. Thank you for your offer of help.

At the moment, the proposal is definitely Plan B, but if we do have to go ahead with it, the task of copying everything over is certainly going to be monumental.

The only potential pitfall I can see is the issue of copyright. My understanding of the law though is that copyright laws only apply if material is copied for financial gain. The copyrights of each article are owned by the article's creator, so we really ought, where possible, to get the writer's permission to copy articles across to the new site. In which case, if any contributors are looking in on this thread, please give your permission to copy your items to the new site.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: shoot999 on August 13, 2019, 13:49:21
Thank you for your kind offer Alec, it's much appreciated.

On a related note, I've put out an appeal on the Medway History Facebook group for anyone who is in contact with Kyn or Kev to ask them to get in touch with myself or any of the other Forum moderators. Time to wait and see.....

I see these guys    http://www.strangecargo.org.uk/?fbclid=IwAR3TUxJ1NM0Ie-SzAR1xZRaR5a8w2jINjBZ5rR-f6KM3KwiaOrC_GAMvAak are also trying to contact KHF to possible include some of the KHF content in a future guidebook. Worth mentioning this in any future messages to Kyn? It may appeal?
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Lutonman on August 13, 2019, 20:34:21

The only potential pitfall I can see is the issue of copyright. My understanding of the law though is that copyright laws only apply if material is copied for financial gain. The copyrights of each article are owned by the article's creator, so we really ought, where possible, to get the writer's permission to copy articles across to the new site. In which case, if any contributors are looking in on this thread, please give your permission to copy your items to the new site.
I don't believe that this is correct, just copying posts will infringe copyright unless the poster grants permission.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Nemo on August 14, 2019, 06:10:52
and/or the copyright owner (eg. the owner of the copyright of a posted image).
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 14, 2019, 09:42:41
You may be right Nemo and Lutonman, like I said, that was my understanding of the law and I'd need to do more research into the fiendishly complex field of copyright before committing to anything.

I'm hoping that it won't come to that.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: smiffy on August 14, 2019, 20:55:22
If kyn has no further interest in maintaining or even being involved with this site anymore, I cannot see why she should not hand it over to those who want to see it continue. There may, of course, be something beyond her control which is preventing this from happening.

As for copyright, for posts for which no permission to copy has been obtained one solution could be to simply include direct links from any new site to the relevant thread or topic on the KHF. However, this would be dependent on the current site maintaining a presence, even if it's just read-only.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Dave Smith on August 18, 2019, 13:12:17
Having, over the years, submitted quite a few articles about the 2nd World War as " I was there", if anyone wishes to keep this history please feel free to do so. Is this all that is needed?
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 18, 2019, 16:17:16
Dave, thank you for your kind offer. I think if getting in touch with Kyn doesn't work out, then if we copy the old Forum piece by piece, this will not only take a huge effort, but will cause other problems. I discussed this matter away from here with someone else who is an expert in these things. If we go ahead, we run a very real risk of the new Forum being blacklisted by Google for being a copy of the old one. There is also the issue of Copyright, which I'll need to do some research on.

Should Plan A not work out, then Plan B is going to have to be to create a totally new Forum from scratch and leave it to individual members to copy their own work across, or at least re-publish it on the new Forum.

We have until August of 2020 until the license for the current Forum domain runs out.I'm not sure if it renews automatically, in my experience, it won't unless the hosting agreement is renewed and a fee paid.

I know we all want our Forum back, but I think we're going to have to be patient for the time being.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: smiffy on August 18, 2019, 18:40:12
One of the problems is there are something like 800 members that were lost when the forum was taken offline. These members can't give any permission as they can no longer login.

I've been wondering what the copyright situation is regarding Wayback Machine - you can enter a URL for the KHF and find 170 snapshots taken between 2008 - 2019. The coverage is only partial, but there are a lot of posts that have been archived (including some from Bilgerat, complete with photographs).
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: filmer01 on August 19, 2019, 15:24:14
A couple of other issues that I can see.

Getting  copyright permission is obviously more difficult if the member has died. Can their heirs do it, and how do we find them? Same goes for members who have drifted away over the last 10years.

The clue to the other problem is in the title of thing, it’s a forum, which involves multiple members commenting and adding to the initial post. Does the whole thread belong to the person who initiated it, as trying to get each contributor to consent would obviously be impossible, partly due to the first problem. Just consider the Slip Coaches thread!

No doubt other issues will be revealed, which makes it all the more important to salvage the forum in its present form.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: smiler on August 19, 2019, 16:33:45
The way I see it is if I start a thread or contribute to somebody else's I am giving that information to the forum, ITS THEN OUT OF MY HANDS AND THE FORUM DOES WHAT IT WISHES WITH IT.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 21, 2019, 18:51:08
Well, a small sign of movement today. I reached out to Kev some time ago and got a response from him this afternoon. Kyn's dad is very unwell and coming on top of her mum's recent passing means that she has a lot on her plate right now.When I reached out to him, I explained why and asked him to ask her to get in touch with me or one of the other moderators. He is going to get in touch with her and ask her to get in touch with one of us. Watch this space  :)
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: filmer01 on August 22, 2019, 10:58:55
I was greatly saddened by Kyn's new post, in the public part of the Forum, for all to read.

As we had been posting off-topic she may not have read those posts supporting her and also not realised that her silence had only fuelled our efforts to contact her.

Unfortunately silence does not communicate its reasons or intentions.

When we found that only Established Members could start a new topic, I went ferreting around the membership list and was surprised to find that we have two Administrators, Kyn and Kev. Kev had last logged in at Easter, so could have read some of our posts about how to continue the Forum.

However, I was intrigued to note that he had never, ever, posted on the Forum. I therefore tried to contact this Administrator with a view to them being able to unlock the Forum. I did this by the email button on Kev's profile, but because that took ages to clear I was suspicious that it had not gone, so I sent a PM to the same effect, as well. So it was I that started the hunt for Kev, sorry.

As I said, greatly saddened, as it is likely to mean the loss of a great resource, with irreplaceable contributions from the likes of Peter Challis.

Where shall we meet in the future?
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Lutonman on August 22, 2019, 16:31:03
I too am sad and somewhat surprised at the response from Kyn. Filmer01 you have nothing to be sorry about and were only trying to seek a way forward for those of us that remain.

We did indeed understand what she was going through but silence to genuine pleas for help created yet more questions. I have lost my sister this March to cancer and marked her birthday just two days ago, so I understand the need to grieve but life still goes on and I still need to deal with daily and work demands.

The question remains what do we do now? Its clear we cannot rely on the forum being open for long so at least copying our own posts perhaps is very urgent.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 22, 2019, 18:30:29
OK, rant time.

I don't think anyone on this forum has been acting in any way which was disrespectful or intrusive. I emailed Kev and asked him to get Karyn to get in touch with one of the moderators. My email was polite, I introduced myself, apologised for approaching him out of the blue and asked him nicely if he would do the needful.

Kyn, if you're reading this, and I'm sure you're not, but in case you are, you are not the only one who has had to endure watching a parent die this year.You are not the only one who has ever lost a job. While I feel your pain (and I do), that is no reason to be rude. There is absolutely no reason at all to be so hostile to people whose only "crime" was to offer their help.

If the KHF is dead to you, hand it over to people who do give a monkeys about it. You are behaving like a spoiled kid who's bored with their toy, but won't let anyone else play with it. If that's your attitude, then good riddance, I'm sure that between us, those of us who do give a monkeys about the KHF will just start a new one.

Rant over.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: HERB COLLECTOR on August 22, 2019, 18:55:58
My email address if anyone needs to get in touch.
john .  peters  1 3  6  4  at  google mail  .  com
Close up gaps and @ for at.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: smiffy on August 22, 2019, 19:23:52
"The forum holds no interest for me"
"I have no intention on spending time running it"
"I have no interest in it being open anymore"
"KHF is dead, gone and is not coming back"

So why couldn't this have been made clear last year?

What a shame that kyn appears to have nothing but contempt for the members of her own forum.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Lutonman on August 22, 2019, 20:10:58
Suggest we use PM to send each ok us who want to continue our email address to avoid publication of them.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 22, 2019, 20:44:26
"The forum holds no interest for me"
"I have no intention on spending time running it"
"I have no interest in it being open anymore"
"KHF is dead, gone and is not coming back"

So why couldn't this have been made clear last year?

What a shame that kyn appears to have nothing but contempt for the members of her own forum.

Well now we've seen her true colours - narcissistic drama queen. I'm done with it. I've begun the process of copying all the stuff I don't have backups for in preparation for putting up on the new Forum site when I set it up, probably after the Bank Holiday weekend.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Invicta Alec on August 22, 2019, 21:27:23
A sad business, but I think its clear that Kyn has misunderstood the good intentions of KHF members who want to see the forum continue.
After the year she's had I fully understand her reply.

I am a member of an international astronomy forum. A huge site and its a few years since the membership passed the 100,000 mark. For whatever reason the guy who originally started the whole thing has let it fall into disrepair. The were are large number of moderators and many keen amateur astronomers who contributed hugely and often. Such an important subject with a very wide appeal is never going to be left to fade away. I'm glad to see that from the ashes a new site is emerging, run by the keenest of members and it is slowly building. It'll take a long time to get back to the same levels as the old one, but it will happen.

The same will happen with the history forum, I'm sure.
Good luck to all who help with the new build.

Alec.

Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: lutonman1 on August 23, 2019, 11:18:38
I must say that some replies to Kym have been shocking. As a fairly new member,
I think that Kym has done a marvelous job of running this site.
To lose two members of your family, and then been made redundant, is awful.
I will say thank you Kym, I did not know you well, I hope you find a suitable employment soon.

THANK YOU kYM for what you have done, FOR US.

A big HUG. xxx
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 23, 2019, 17:26:17
Hi Lutonman 1,

I agree, she has done a marvellous job and things were running fine until she decided for whatever reason that there was no room in her life for it any more. As for her reaction to those of us who quietly, discreetly and respectfully offered our help or even offered to take it over, including any financial burden, and keep it running, that was totally uncalled for and wrong.

I felt it showed a level of contempt for the rest of us I found utterly despicable. I'm sure we all thought we were dealing with a reasonable person. Turns out that faith was misplaced.

As far as I am concerned the subject is closed and I for one will be looking to the future and working to build something new from the ashes of the old.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Lutonman on August 23, 2019, 18:21:17
I need to point out the comment was from Lutonman1 not me plain old Lutonman.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 23, 2019, 18:23:44
I do apologise. Edited.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: alkhamhills on August 23, 2019, 22:20:35
A sad business. As members we are all a “family”. we have all gladly invested time to the forum .If Kyn  does not want anything to do with the forum, She could at least be polite, and a pass on the baton to those who have the time/capability/desire to take over
I appreciate her personal problems, but she is not the only one to have problems
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: kms on August 24, 2019, 01:55:59


Very disappointed with the response, especially as there are many who would happily take up the mantle.  I spoke on the phone to Kyn about a member just over a year ago, and there was no indication of what was going to happen.  Depression is a terrible thing, and can cause you to lash out.  We all have medical ups and downs and losses (I do right now, but its not for this forum)

For reasons such as not being mentally in a dark place, I'm not going to beat up Kyn.  But, like many old buildings we have discussed over years on here, we are the temporary custodians of history, and it would be lovely if she could acknowledge this and pass on the baton.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: otis on August 24, 2019, 12:47:18
Death and cancer have a curious ability to cause a person to re-examine their lives and put energies elsewhere. Things that were once a priority may suddenly become an unnecessary trivial distraction. That can change again with time and is a different experience for everyone.

I've not been around here for a while. I have been active on other forums, and have twice seen posters on those refer to KHF as a source of valuable information! These were experts in history or other fields praising this forum, which consist mainly of dedicated amateurs (?). That praise is due to both the efforts of Kyn and the members in keeping things going over the years. It would indeed be a shame to see this all lost. Things may not have worked out as everyone would have hoped, but at least there is now clarity and everyone can work together in one direction and purpose.

Best wishes for the future of your forum!
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Lutonman on August 24, 2019, 14:11:57
Can we now draw a line under "forum problems" and create a post for positive actions we can (who are willing to) to progress to a new site. Otherwise we will remain for ever looking negative.

I have begun copying posts that I have been involved in but we need a strategy even if this is disclosed off line.

Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Stewie on August 25, 2019, 07:45:43
As well as the pictures and discussions on this website, there is  a tremendous amount of anecdotal information here as well, the wartime memories of the late 'peterchall' being a good example of this. It would be a terrible shame if these were to be lost to future generations.
I would be prepared to help save or transfer some posts if we can have a structured approach and also an 'optimum' method with regards to formatting and appearance of the saved page.
I used the forum a few months ago when trying to plot the position of the 'Luton' windmill(s).
 
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Lyn L on August 25, 2019, 10:55:04
Just to let you all know that sadly Kyns Dad passed away yesterday .
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: filmer01 on August 25, 2019, 11:34:41
Thank you for that Lyn L, puts it all into better perspective.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: AlanH on August 25, 2019, 11:45:52
Deepest commiserations to Kyn on her loss. If she suffers from depression as well to me it's no wonder she has no time for the forum. Believe me I know how badly depression can affect you and make you cut yourself off from all around you.
Best wishes to the lady and thanks for setting up such a great forum.
AlanH.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: kms on August 26, 2019, 12:37:20


Time for us all to shut up, methinks.  And any conversations happening should cease on here, and go private.

My sympathies for Kyn, of course.  But it's none of our business.  There will eventually be a light at the end of the tunnel, for her, regardless of what happens to the forum.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: otis on August 31, 2019, 13:29:11
Was wondering why there's been no posts for a few days. While browsing I noticed 122 guests online today. You can also view what topics folk are browsing in. Useful tool to determine what should be saved? I'm guessing those guests are brought here from search engines looking for those kinds of info?
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: shoot999 on August 31, 2019, 13:47:32
Was wondering why there's been no posts for a few days. While browsing I noticed 122 guests online today. You can also view what topics folk are browsing in. Useful tool to determine what should be saved? I'm guessing those guests are brought here from search engines looking for those kinds of info?

It always surprises me the number of times when you enter a Kent history  related item in Google it comes up with a KHF link at the top. Given the quality and information available on KHF perhaps I shouldn't be too surprised.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on August 31, 2019, 16:34:38
For those who are following this thread, I have a new website domain name, kenthistoryforum.com. I'm setting it up right now.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: lutonman1 on August 31, 2019, 16:45:55
That`s strange, I tried to put a reply in earlier today thought the ` Latest Posts ` but it was denied.
Who put the  ` REPLY ` in for the rest of the ` replies `.

I had something for N.F.S. which I will try to put in there, now.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: lutonman1 on August 31, 2019, 17:03:48
Have just been to N.F.S. PAGE --- but no ` REPLY `  on that page, so I will put it on here.

A photo of the crew of the N.F.S. Ordnance Street post, Chatham, on page 166 of the` Medway Towns `
book, I believe by Phillip MacDougal.  ( Maybe wrong spelling )
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: lutonman1 on August 31, 2019, 17:14:00
Will be THERE, when you have completed, Bilgerat, ------ thank you.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Signals99 on September 01, 2019, 09:17:48
Hi Bilgerat, just to say if things do change,and the fourum manages to slip her moorings and sail again,count me in for a countribution to any financial penalties incurred.
All the best
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Dave Smith on September 01, 2019, 13:07:52
Hi everyone. I do hope Bilgerat is successful, for the Forum has been interesting reading for me & many others for several years. Was so sad to read Kyn's post, in fact I could hardly believe it, she seemed such a nice person. I suppose we all take losses of loved ones in different ways. There's nowt so strange as folk! I would have offered my help but am a computer ignoramous, so of no practical use at all; and at 89 am not likely to improve! All the very best for the future, long may KHF reign.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: lutonman1 on September 01, 2019, 13:25:20
Hello Dave, you are a youngster at 89 --- I am 92 on the 10th.

Sorry about using your  moniker --- ` Lutonman `--- I will not use it on  ` Bilgerat ` new site.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on September 01, 2019, 17:13:47
As we sit here, I'm sorting out hosting for the new site. Once that's done the task list is:

1) Install Simple Machines Forum software and configure it (and learn how to administer it)
2) Register with the ICO (Information Commissioners Office) for GDPR compliance
3) Create and publish a GDPR Privacy Statement and policy.
4) Create a landing page (the current forum doesn't have one)

Light the blue touch paper and stand back.....
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on September 01, 2019, 18:11:28
Hi Bilgerat, just to say if things do change,and the fourum manages to slip her moorings and sail again,count me in for a countribution to any financial penalties incurred.
All the best

Jolly decent of you, thank you very much for your very kind offer. To be honest, I'm not doing this for the money and am not looking for financial contributions at the moment. If the costs of running the new site become burdensome, then that may change, but only after exhausting every other option first (including - gulp - some unobtrusive advertising?) but we'll cross that bridge if and when we come to it....
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on September 01, 2019, 20:25:17
Well, progress :-

The basic site is up. Kenthistoryforum.com. I've done a little background configuration work, but still got to do some customising to make it look good. I've not opened it for user registration yet, because tasks 2 - 4 below are still to be done, but it's on the way.....
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: smiffy on September 01, 2019, 22:54:56
Bookmarked!
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Signals99 on September 01, 2019, 23:07:35
Bilgerat,"may you have fair winds and following seas"as you take the helm of the new ship of knowledge on her first commission,can I sign on as cabin boy?(that's all my nautical chit chat I have in one sentence).
Seriously,if you pull it off ,fantastic,having a working fourum again ,once again I reiterate if costs are incurred more than happy to help out.or in any other way I can Bering in mind I work from an I pad.
Coming from a naval family ,and being an ex dockyard matty can't wait to see more of your work on things nautical.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: MartinR on September 02, 2019, 09:47:18
Also bookmarked.  Awaiting registration ...
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Lutonman on September 02, 2019, 16:00:42
Hi Bilgerat if you need help with GDPR bits "I have previous" and willing to help.

Lutonman
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Dave Smith on September 02, 2019, 18:35:08
Lutonman. Afraid I don't feel it! All started going downhill at age 84/5. Were you in the Medway Towns " the day war broke out ( my wife said to me...) what was his name? Fantastic Bilgerat that you are willing & able to continue The Forum. I know it's early days but the spirit is there & we all love you for it. Very Best Wishes.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: pr1uk on September 03, 2019, 09:45:10
As we sit here, I'm sorting out hosting for the new site. Once that's done the task list is:

1) Install Simple Machines Forum software and configure it (and learn how to administer it)
2) Register with the ICO (Information Commissioners Office) for GDPR compliance
3) Create and publish a GDPR Privacy Statement and policy.
4) Create a landing page (the current forum doesn't have one)

Light the blue touch paper and stand back.....

Install software etc will do it for me just don't like adding programs I do not trust last time I added software from a source I did not know I had to remove it and 3 malware from my Mac. Ended up restoring a backup to get my Mac back to normal
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: lutonman1 on September 03, 2019, 09:46:36
Dave I was, aged almost 12, lived Castle Road.--- I am fit, walk ok --- no problems.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on September 03, 2019, 22:40:11
Hi all,

First of all, thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the expressions of support and offers of help. I intend to take some of them up, so if you are offering any practical help, please let me know by pm, either on here or at my email address stuart_waters66@yahoo.co.uk.

The new forum is taking shape. It's in maintenance mode at the moment and I'm open to suggestions about how the content should be laid out. I don't want to simply copy what's on here, I think it needs to look and feel different. I've allowed post sizes to the maximum the server will allow, over 1.6M characters, so if you will be putting up long posts (like I occasionally do), there should be no need to split them.

You all know where my interests lie as far as history is concerned, so I'll be concentrating on looking after posts on those subjects. I'll be looking for people to moderate specific subjects, so if your field of expertise is, say, castles and fortified places, I'd appreciate your input.

I'll let you all know when it's ready and I'm open to constructive criticism when I do open it up.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: DaveTheTrain on September 03, 2019, 23:03:52
Top man Bilgerat.  It takes a lot of effort to get off ones backside and take the initiative.  Well done mate.

As for Subjects/sections I looked through the old index and I think most is very good and well organised.  The only thing I would change is that I think the Subject areas of military and kent defences could be rationalised or combined and thinned out a little bit.   There appear to be a couple of duplications of topic in this area.
Thanks Bilgerat.
DTT
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: MartinR on September 03, 2019, 23:13:01
Two suggestions for the new forum:

To expand slightly on (1) above: Day-to-day I just check then "Recent Unread Topics" and if moved to do so respond to the topic.  The individual boards therefore have no purpose for this.  However, when trying to find the correct place for a new posting the choice is overwhelming.  At a quick count there are 99 boards (including child boards).  Do we really need that many?

Please accept these as suggestions only.  All credit for the work you are doing.  I had started to look at the free boards, but with no experience (particularly with the dreaded GDPR) I have got no further that whittling down the choice to two.  I would offer to help, and may do so in the future, but redundancy, a terminal cancer diagnosis and the associated chemo and radio have left me a bit shell-shocked.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on September 04, 2019, 11:17:03
Thank you for the suggestions, especially Martin for taking the time to think about it. I'm sure you've got a lot more important things on your mind.

As far as image sizes are concerned, this is always going to be a trade-off between the desire for better quality images and the space they occupy on the server along with the associated costs. I was toying with the idea of having members host their own images on the likes of Photo bucket and imgur. These sites supply the code you need to embed images in articles so it's just a case of copying and pasting the code in the relevant part of your story. It also allows contributors to place pictures within the text instead of having them all piled up at the end.

I agree that the current forum is well laid out, but as you say, could do with a bit of a prune.

Another idea, which I've hinted at is to have a team of Moderators and they would be responsible for refereeing subject boards in their own field of interest or knowledge. I would take hold of the maritime related stuff, but people with knowledge of, say, castles and other fortified places would be responsible for them. The moderators collectively would also share the burden of administering the membership and approving membership applications. That's something I could take care of initially, but as the new forum grows, I would be looking to spread the load.

Keep the ideas coming folks, I'm hoping to open it up sometime this week..
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: shoot999 on September 04, 2019, 14:29:52
I know absolutely nothing about the difficulties or costs; but one thing that was suggested in the past was somewhere on the forum where you could browse all the images.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: lutonman1 on September 04, 2019, 14:38:23
You are doing very well, Bilgerat -- more power to your quill pen.

One section could be headed ` I SAW - I HEARD `

Meaning a section where members can `write` on site,
their own experience of a certain happening, not second hand.

I have been on Facebook a number of years, but prefer not to use it.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Invicta Alec on September 04, 2019, 15:52:56

......The moderators collectively would also share the burden of administering the membership and approving membership applications. That's something I could take care of initially, but as the new forum grows, I would be looking to spread the load.


Sounds logical, but you might get an initial rush of people migrating from this site, so give a thought to having immediate help.

Alec.


Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: smiffy on September 04, 2019, 18:13:38
I can see no problem in hosting my own images, the only issue may be a repeat of the Photobucket debacle.

I'm not sure I can offer much advice concerning the layout of the new forum, although I agree it could be slimmed down a bit. I had a look at the South East history board to see how they are organised, but it seems to have more subject boards and sub-boards than this one.

I'm willing to help if I can, although my interests in history cover a wide range with no particular speciality.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on September 04, 2019, 20:37:13

......The moderators collectively would also share the burden of administering the membership and approving membership applications. That's something I could take care of initially, but as the new forum grows, I would be looking to spread the load.


Sounds logical, but you might get an initial rush of people migrating from this site, so give a thought to having immediate help.

Alec.

Good idea Alec, If anyone wants to volunteer to be a moderator on the new site, please do.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: filmer01 on September 05, 2019, 13:44:50
I had a long chat with a friend yesterday, he was my external computer person for our businesses from 1984 to our retirement in 2016. Although allegedly retired, he still helps out some of his old clients from time to time. His specific input is from his ongoing time as a moderator on a model-specific car forum.

His view on topic moderators was that everyone is missing at some point, holidays, sickness, or even if its pressure at work so that they don't log in. In his case he is a Super Moderator, with high level Admin powers to move or delete posts or even entire threads, including merging the occasional duplicate topics or removing difficult members. Someone else deals with the membership applications.

The advice was that someone should be keeping a watchful eye on proceedings, if not 24/7 at least most of the time to avoid minor issues becoming major ones. There are two such moderators on this forum, with higher level admin held by the owner of the forum - a car dealership who fund the site, so someone is easily found if a problem arises.

He saw no great problem with such a large number of boards, as long as the search functions can efficiently direct enquiries. I found Google often finds threads on KHF quicker than I can with the on-board search.

He also takes the view that once you have posted your comments onto a public forum they are in the public domain and he has had no copyright issues arising from that stance. Pictures may well be a different issue, and he is not a lover of third party hosting, simply because of their potential to cause havoc, as recently happened with photobucket. Even now their "watermark" often obscures that part of the picture that you really want to see. Higher quality pictures obviously need more space to store, time to load (not all of us have fibre broadband) but when the devil is in the detail it can be very annoying to find the resolution inadequate for greater enlargement.

Anyway, he wished well for the new forum.

As before Bilgerat - anything you want me to do, just tell me...
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: otis on September 06, 2019, 15:38:02
Numbers of moderators will not be an early issue, if the board has a relaxed attitude to post content. Just needs everyone who is keen to help, to flag up any offensive posts for moderation, rather than needing moderaters to screen everything?
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: filmer01 on September 06, 2019, 17:44:38
The higher level of supervision on the other forum is probbaly a function of the subject matter. A fairly regular turnover of members as they buy and sell that model of car, probably coupled with its use as a place to whinge about the standard of service/costs involved etc etc.

Hopefully we are a much more restrained and polite bunch....
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on September 06, 2019, 21:23:59
Progress - Still setting up the Forum itself - fine-tuning settings etc. GDPR stuff sorted (I think - and heartfelt thanks to Lutonman for his guidance and assistance with this). SSL Certificate is a work in progress (this will hopefully prevent hacking - of the kind that triggered the downfall of this Forum).

I'm on call for work until Monday morning, so any further progress this weekend is dependant on that. Thank you all for your patience while I learn the intricacies of administering and setting up SMF Forums on the fly...
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Lutonman on September 07, 2019, 16:57:56
Your doing well Bilgerat, it takes time to set up but will be worth it.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on September 08, 2019, 00:07:30
I've opened up the new Forum for registrations. I've also put up a couple of articles. When registering, it will ask for a password consisting of upper and lower case characters as well as numbers. You will also need to agree to the privacy policy and rules before you will be allowed to register. When you do go onto the new Forum site, you'll notice that there should be a padlock symbol near your browser command line. This shows that the Forum is secure, which this one isn't. Have a look at it and let me know what you think...

The reason for opening is that this is what they call 'Beta' testing, ie, a live test to see what issues come up. If any serious issues do come up, then I'll put it back into Maintenance and fix them.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: howard on September 08, 2019, 07:54:02
Would you remind me of the forum address please Bilgerat?
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on September 08, 2019, 10:07:28
Howard, it's kenthistoryforum.com
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Invicta Alec on September 08, 2019, 10:52:38

I've opened up the new Forum for registrations.


Registered!  :)

Alec.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: lutonman1 on September 08, 2019, 12:00:29
Tried to register for new forum, too complicated for a 92 year old -- advise.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: howard on September 08, 2019, 15:06:26
Howard, it's kenthistoryforum.com
I must be doing something foolish. I look up kenthistoryforum.com and am redirected to kenthistoryforum.co.uk - help!
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: MartinR on September 08, 2019, 15:22:40
Try http://www.kenthistoryforum.com (http://www.kenthistoryforum.com)
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: snodlandmalc on September 08, 2019, 23:25:27
I'm registered ! and first time. Just waiting confirmation to explore fully, the layout is looking very good,thank you for all your hard work B.R.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: jimawilliams on September 09, 2019, 00:12:43
Thank you Bilgerat for your conviction and efforts to re-establish the KHF into a new resource.  I found the registration process to work well and straightforward.  Awaiting the email as informed.  I look forward to supporting the NEW KHF.

Once again Kyn, thank you for your years of service and truly wish you happiness in the future.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Mickleburgh on September 09, 2019, 08:37:02
Tried to register using my existing user name and standard (variable eight digit password but  shows `error` on both. Does it have to be `all new`?
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: shoot999 on September 09, 2019, 09:03:03
I found it slightly awkward to register, mainly because I just charged at it.  But after each 'error' it was easy to correct; tick a  box, use a capital in password, etc.
Just checked and I can now log straight in :)
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on September 10, 2019, 11:04:29
Your password on the new Forum should be made with a mixture of upper and lower case characters and numbers.
For example a password of -"peppapig" would be P3ppaP1g.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: lutonman1 on September 11, 2019, 02:31:22
I had no problem of registering, the second time. I even did a couple of `posts`.The next day,was a different story. I tried to login with my password, after a half a dozen attempts, I gave up, then I went for another password. A whole string of letters, came flooding back. What do I do with them, as my computer is an old X P, I wrote down ALL the letters by hand, but my cursor could not transfer those letters back to the forum. So I will not be able to contribute to the forum, until my daughter returns, in two weeks time. I found out, too late, I missed out on the password, by NOT putting in, ONE DOT.----- see you later !





















!.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: grandarog on September 11, 2019, 14:12:37
Hi No problem registering.  Now awaiting Admin approval to Log in.☺
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Signals99 on September 11, 2019, 17:02:59
Hi sorry to say I'm having problems registering on the new fourum.spent 40 min trying to register today
Nothing.? After fourteen years as senior security' officer at a university I considered myself reasably computer literate ,obously I'm not.try again tomorrow
May the force be with you.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: lutonman1 on September 11, 2019, 19:37:03
I find it interesting, `98 looking in`. Are these just members, flitting through to see if any new posts,
or are they all Kent people, really interested in the site.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: kms on September 12, 2019, 00:41:53
Welllll..... I think I'm in.  Nothing revolutionary to post yet.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on September 12, 2019, 08:03:06
A number of those 'looking in' will be search engine bits feeling their way around the site. I have no problem with that, those bots basically read the posts and index the words so that people putting those key words into their search engine will see stuff on the forum.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: lutonman1 on September 12, 2019, 10:54:33
Thank you for that reply Stuart. I find the ` where is it ` is better for me, on the new site.
I often, could not see any photo`s, on this one. ( old equipment ? )

When i can log in again, I would like to have my same Avatar -- on your site.
I could not see, where I insert it .
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: smiffy on September 12, 2019, 17:21:51
lutonman1, just go to "Profile" and select "Forum Profile" This will give you options for uploading an avatar.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: lutonman1 on September 12, 2019, 17:56:27
Thank you smiffy, will do when I can get back on the site.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bryn Clinch on September 14, 2019, 08:21:00
Just registered, without any problem.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: lutonman1 on September 16, 2019, 19:09:26
Stuart. I have a problem login in. My daughter cannot help with my problem, as her mother need her.
The only solution I can find is ` delete my account, then I can re-apply, using different user & password `.
I hope you read this Stuart.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Nemo on September 16, 2019, 21:06:19
Sad to say it appears to reject all passwords from me! May try again tomorrow.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Nemo on September 17, 2019, 10:26:13
Oh tosh - it's easy, once you remember the password dot!
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: AlanH on September 17, 2019, 10:29:54
I've just registered without too many probs..... now awaiting the confirmation email.
AlanTH
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: SKIP on September 18, 2019, 09:02:56
My confirmation email went into my junk folder. It took me 3 days to think to look in there :-)
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: otis on September 18, 2019, 12:33:06
Please can someone explain the password "dot" thing? I'm still unable to get in.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Local Hiker on September 18, 2019, 17:48:38
otis, I think that Nemo meant "Doh!".   There is no specific dot or full stop rule relating to setting up a password on the new site.
I think you need at least 8 characters, at least 1 upper case letter, at least one lower case letter, and at least one number. e.g. Password3
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: AlanH on September 19, 2019, 10:08:59
I was going to say that I never used a "dot" (or should that be a full stop?) in my password. Nothing annoys me more than the idiotic use of "dots" between words or initials where they're not needed. Getting grumpy with old age.... :)
AlanH.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Nemo on September 19, 2019, 21:16:17
Actually, I did mean dot. I tried a string of two words with two numerals between, the first word having a capital and the second followed by an exclamation mark, and sundry variations on that theme. Nothing doing, the query symbols remained against all attempts.

Then I tried an old car registration of mine in the format R123abc. (note the dot!): bingo, instant success.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: otis on September 20, 2019, 19:29:01
Thanks everyone. I am now in. My error was not spotting the "accept terms" tick the second time around on the password page. If all fails for some reason it shows the password as a failure, even though the password is actually fine. I just kept missing the duplicate tick box on small mobile screen.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: Bilgerat on September 21, 2019, 19:59:02
Has everyone who wants to now managed to register an account on the new Forum?
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: jimawilliams on September 21, 2019, 23:35:57
Have easily managed to register an account on the new Forum,
Thank you.

Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: pr1uk on September 22, 2019, 11:08:31
The new forum is up and running easy to register, get on it now while you can or risk losing people from here
Register Now

:-)
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: de Mol on October 02, 2019, 08:41:58
Have just registered.

Greetings from Germany.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: lutonman1 on November 03, 2019, 18:35:09
I thought i would LOOK around, before it closes altogether. Seems this is the only section that I can use.
Like `stuartwaters` says, have a look round, then transfer items, you thought were interesting !.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: OldMuzza on November 04, 2019, 17:24:09
I continue to access the forum whilst it still exists and on reading the last comment regarding usable sections thought that I would visit the topics against which I've posted in the past.

Whilst I haven't made that many postings all were available. My photographs, though, were only visible on logging on rather than viewing as a guest. I can't remember whether this was always the case.
Title: Re: Forum Problems
Post by: lutonman1 on November 12, 2019, 16:26:07
Old Muzza -- If you have any items, photo`s technical drawings etc, that may be useful on the new site,
do so, as this site will close, when the owners broadband term ends.