Waterbodies & Maritime => Chatham Dockyard => Topic started by: kyn on May 03, 2008, 19:36:42

Title: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: kyn on May 03, 2008, 19:36:42
Couple of pics from today.

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Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: merc on May 04, 2008, 11:43:43
Some of mine  :)

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Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: kyn on May 04, 2008, 12:47:38
Nice one merc  :)

Couple of the train

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Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: kyn on May 11, 2008, 21:39:35
Couple more pics but from todays visit.  Thats nearly 10 hours spent wandering around in just over a week  :o

These are the ones that jumped out at me (out of nearly 420 pics from today ::))

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Was quite surprised i saw Queen Elizabeth I on a visit, i thought she was dead  ??? :o

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Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: merc on May 11, 2008, 23:06:34
In the photo of HMS Ocelot it looks like you are actualy in the dry dock  ???











Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: kyn on May 12, 2008, 00:04:56

In the photo of HMS Ocelot it looks like you are actualy in the dry dock  ???


I am ;)  There is a stairway and walkway into the dock, under the sub and back out again.  Have a look next time your there.

Was a peaceful day and a good one. :)

Title: Chatham Dockyard Plans
Post by: kyn on May 17, 2008, 17:37:09
Here are 2 plans from around WWII i think  ???

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The second one shows the site of the underground telephone exchange
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard Plans
Post by: kyn on May 17, 2008, 17:41:02
4 more plans of around wartime.

This one shows the site of the 3 flak towers used to defend the dockyard

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These three show the sites of the shelters, yard and section headquarters and associated wartime areas like the water pumps, decontamination stations etc...

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Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard Plans
Post by: rossco on May 17, 2008, 19:20:18
 :P

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Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: merc on May 18, 2008, 13:58:35
Here's a great Day by Day of happenings at Chatham Dockyard through the years:
(Bottom of page)

http://campus.medway.ac.uk/library/history.php

Some of it's very interesting,takes a while to get through it though ;D
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: kyn on May 28, 2008, 18:35:42
Part of a 1953 plan showing the underground telephone exchange entrance, now demolished  :'(

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Also showing the slaughter hall and cattle lair  ???

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Someone explain why they would need these?  Thought it quite strange!!!
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: merc on May 28, 2008, 19:52:35
Is this another entrance to the telephone exchange Kyn? or is it seperate  ???

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I wonder how you get in the telephone exchange now....i'm guessing you have to go through those newer buildings in the Dockyard.
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: kyn on May 28, 2008, 22:12:46
The rumour was that those doors are for public toilets  ???

I would imagine any access would be from a man hole cover, i have been up that part of the dockyard many times and there is no sign of an entrance anywhere.
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: kyn on May 31, 2008, 19:24:16
The entrance was right about here:
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=51.393743&lon=0.529163&z=19.3&r=0&src=msl

There was a emergency entrance to the south west too.  Any help would be appreciated Rossco  :)
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: kyn on July 06, 2008, 12:31:01
Some pics from yesterdays visit

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Mast pond
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Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: kyn on August 12, 2008, 22:27:35
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Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: kyn on September 22, 2009, 16:09:01
 :)
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: seafordpete on November 02, 2009, 17:05:17
Worth a look
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/chatham_dockyard.htm (http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/chatham_dockyard.htm)
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: kyn on July 19, 2010, 15:56:05
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Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: Leofwine on July 19, 2010, 16:44:10
Is this another entrance to the telephone exchange Kyn? They're bricked up entrances in the wall in Dock Road, near the steps from Admiralty Terrace.


Those were public toilets.  I have a feeling they were still in use when I was a kid, but not 100% sure.
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: louisewomble on January 22, 2012, 19:58:50

Also showing the slaughter hall and cattle lair  ???


Someone explain why they would need these?  Thought it quite strange!!!
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As part of the Victualling of ship!
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: Leofwine on February 06, 2012, 16:59:47
Kentish Gazette - Tuesday 28 May 1861

CHATHAM.
SAD ACCIDENT. — Mr. Robert Driver, foreman of the shipwrights, met with a very serious accident in his office in the dockyard on Monday afternoon. It said that he stood upon a stool and opened the window to call to one of the workmen who was passing, and in getting down the stool canted, and he fell with such force against the office table that his right arm was broken. He was immediately attended to by the surgeons of the yard, and afterwards he was removed to his residence at Chatham.
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: Leofwine on February 07, 2012, 00:33:25
Kentish Gazette - Tuesday 14 February 1860

CHATHAM.
ANOTHER ACCIDENT IN THE DOCKYARD.— On Tuesday Thomas Burton, employed on the Severn, 51, in dock, fell down the aperture for the screw into the dock, a depth of about 30 feet, receiving severe injuries on the head. He was conveyed to Melville Hospital, where he lies in a very precarious state.
A MERE SHAM.—The following notice has been issued by order of the Lords of the Admiralty, and is posted at the dockyard gates of Chatham:— "An examination is required of every candidate for promotion. Their lordships will select from the examination lists, on the recommendation of the officers, Those who are considered to be best qualified. The claims of those who appear at the head of the list will be duly considered, but industry, merit, and practical qualifications will also have their weight in guiding the selections. Applications for promotion must not be made by persons serving in the dockyards, except through the superintendent Any attempts to obtain promotion by political, or other direct influence, will be punished for first offence by a reprimand for second offence by reduction to an inferior situation; and for third offence by dismissal from the service; such proceedings having been strictly forbidden by the order in council of 11th of March, 1853." The result of all this is, that the man who is victorious in the examination will be selected if it suits the government — but not otherwise!     
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: Leofwine on February 07, 2012, 01:57:56
Kentish Gazette - Tuesday 15 May 1860

CHATHAM.
CHATHAM AND THE MEDWAY.—When Mr. Chisholm Gooden, a few years since, drew the attention of the Government to the desperate prospects of Chatham Dockyard, on which such enormous sums had been expended, tbe only reply vouchsafed was, a notice of the recent improvements as to the extension of the slipways, together with the promise of a letter of thanks from the Lords Commissioners and their then hydrographer but, after the lapse of half a dozen years, even this poor acknowledgment has as yet been actually withheld Mr. Gooden's predictions are being rapidly verified. Owing to the shameful neglect of the embankments, he foretold, eight years ago, that it would soon be impossible to take up a line-of-battle ship to Chatham. On the 9th of last November it was accordingly found impossible for the Cressy (80) to proceed thither, and on more than one other occasion vessels of even lighter draught have been compelled to discharge their guns and heavy stores at Sheerness to enable them to proceed up the Medway.— Hans Busk's Navies of the World.

The survey of two more of the contract mortar vessels, numbered 31 and 48, built for the Admiralty towards the close of the Russian war, has just been completed at Chatham Dockyard, the vessels having been hauled up out of the river on the slip, in order to facilitate the survey. The result of the inspection has shown that both the vessels are as rotten as those first inspected, and utterly unfit for further service; indeed, so rotten were they found to be, that after a portion of the planking had been removed enough was exhibited to satisfy the officers appointed to inspect them that it was unnecessary to extend the survey, and they were accordingly closed up and sent afloat to await an Admiralty order for them to be broken up. It is not yet known whether the Admiralty will have the whole of the gun and mortar vessels lying in Chatham harbour hauled up at the dockyard and inspected, with the view of ascertaining their condition but, as they were all built by contract, there would seem to be no doubt, from those already surveyed, the majority, if not nearly the whole, will be found so rotten as to render them unfit for further service. The two mortar vessels numbered 30 and 32 are being taken to pieces by a numerous body of shipwrights, and the planking having been removed and the timbers laid bare, their fearfully rotten state is at once apparent. Scarcely timber can be discovered which does not contain a liberal quantity "sap." Indeed, portions of the timbers may be picked to pieces with the finger, showing the disgracefully faulty timber which, there can be no doubt, was purposely used in their construction. The workmanship is likewise of a very inferior character, and contrasts strongly with that exhibited in the vessels of war under construction on the adjoining slips, the hired shipwrights who are employed breaking them frequently remarking that the timbers of the vessels seem to have been "thrown" together.
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: Leofwine on February 13, 2012, 02:14:49
Kentish Gazette - Tuesday 04 June 1861

CHATHAM.
INSPECTION OF DOCKYARD SCHOOLS. — Professor Woolley, L.L.D., the Inspector of the Admiralty Schools, commenced his half-yearly inspection of the school for apprentices at Chatham on Friday.
The whole of the hired mechanics and labourers, numbering nearly 800 men at Chatham Dockyard during the busy period which prevailed some time since, have now been discharged from that establishment, the last of the hired bands having quitted the yard on Saturday week. A few of the hired smiths and labourers have been retained to be employed on tbe Achilles, 40.
SUPERANNUATIONS IN THE DOCKYARD. — The following mechanics in Chatham Dockyard have been superannuated on the pensions named:—W. Bryant, leading man of shipwrights, £57 7s. 8d. per annum; W. Allen, shipwright, £42 5s. 1d.; and J. Taffs, stationed joiner, £45 4s. 2d.
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: SailingTiger on February 14, 2012, 16:18:55
Now this might put the cat among the pigeons!

I was recently led to believe that the only part of Chatham Dockyard that was in Chatham is the main gate. This had some substance as the boundary marker used to be in the bus stop alongside the main gate.

Ian
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: Leofwine on February 14, 2012, 17:36:53
It is slightly more complex than that, and more complex than my following explanation, because I'm sticking to the simple version.

Part of it comes down to parish boundaries and municipal boundaries, which are often, but not always the same.  When the Dockyard was moved from Gun Wharf to its present location in the early 1600s, it was built on parts of two Manorial estates, Chatham and Westcourt, the latter one of which straddled the Chatham/Gillingham Parish Boundary. At the start of the 19th century this was further complicated by Brompton Parish being founded, taken out of parts of both parishes, although part remained in Chatham Borough and part in Gillingham as a municipal division. In 1905/6 some of the Brompton area that was in Chatham was taken into Gillingham in exchange for parts of the east end of Chatham High Street that were technically in Gillingham.  As parts of the Dockyard were in Gillingham Parish, parts in Chatham Parish, and parts in Brompton Parish, this makes for the confusion.

Put simply the oldest parts of the Dockyard - Ropery, Main Gate, etc are, and generally always have been, in Chatham, although the police quarters by the main gate are securely in Brompton and hence Gillingham. From the dockyard wall about halfway between the police quarters and the Dock Road roundabout the old parish boundary ran diagonally across the yard until it reached the river somewhere in the vicinity of the mast pond. When Brompton Parish was built the boundary was changed to run along the old dockyard wall down to the river. I think, but am not sure, that the municipal boundary changed with it. When the new extension was to the dockyard was built, along with the convict prison, in the mid 19th century these works were all in Gillingham (technically in Brompton Parish which extended right out to St Mary's Island). As a consequence, the larger part (by area) of the Dockyard is technically in Gillingham.

As I said, this is a slightly simplified version of the development, but serves to give a rough idea.
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: Leofwine on February 14, 2012, 18:50:09
Kentish Gazette - Tuesday 02 April 1861

CHATHAM
The Lords of the Admiralty have awarded Mr. E. Stigant, one of the inspectors at Chatham Dockyard, a superannuation allowance of £95 15s. per annum.
By the new regulation just issued from the Admiralty, one-half of the annual sum awarded by their Lordships to apprentices in the Royal dockyards, as scholarships for superior attainments, is to be given to the schoolmaster of the yard, for the care bestowed by him on the apprentices' education. A scholarship of £20 per annum has just been awarded to J. Wildish, shipwright apprentice at Chatham, under the new regulations, £10 of this sum will be annually paid to the master of the dockyard school.
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: cliveh on February 15, 2012, 15:18:54
It is slightly more complex than that, and more complex than my following explanation, because I'm sticking to the simple version.

Part of it comes down to parish boundaries and municipal boundaries, which are often, but not always the same.  When the Dockyard was moved from Gun Wharf to its present location in the early 1600s, it was built on parts of two Manorial estates, Chatham and Westcourt, the latter one of which straddled the Chatham/Gillingham Parish Boundary. At the start of the 19th century this was further complicated by Brompton Parish being founded, taken out of parts of both parishes, although part remained in Chatham Borough and part in Gillingham as a municipal division. In 1905/6 some of the Brompton area that was in Chatham was taken into Gillingham in exchange for parts of the east end of Chatham High Street that were technically in Gillingham.  As parts of the Dockyard were in Gillingham Parish, parts in Chatham Parish, and parts in Brompton Parish, this makes for the confusion.

Put simply the oldest parts of the Dockyard - Ropery, Main Gate, etc are, and generally always have been, in Chatham, although the police quarters by the main gate are securely in Brompton and hence Gillingham. From the dockyard wall about halfway between the police quarters and the Dock Road roundabout the old parish boundary ran diagonally across the yard until it reached the river somewhere in the vicinity of the mast pond. When Brompton Parish was built the boundary was changed to run along the old dockyard wall down to the river. I think, but am not sure, that the municipal boundary changed with it. When the new extension was to the dockyard was built, along with the convict prison, in the mid 19th century these works were all in Gillingham (technically in Brompton Parish which extended right out to St Mary's Island). As a consequence, the larger part (by area) of the Dockyard is technically in Gillingham.

As I said, this is a slightly simplified version of the development, but serves to give a rough idea.

My 1955 Plan of the Dockyard agrees with what you say Leofwine. In addition it states that it is the Municipal Boundary

cliveh
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: Leofwine on February 15, 2012, 18:57:06
Following my earlier post, it seems that at least one of the Mortar boats was found fit for service.


Kentish Gazette - Tuesday 26 March 1861

CHATHAM.
Instead of the Dolphin, 3-gun brigantine, which was given by the Admiralty for the Coastguard service, instructions have been received at Chatham for No. 4 mortar vessel to be selected from those lying in reserve in the Medway, at Chatham, and handed over to the Custom-house authorities to be converted into a watch-vessel, superseding the old 10-gun brig Harpy, hitherto in use for that purpose.
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: mikeb on February 15, 2012, 20:10:08
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Following my earlier post, it seems that at least one of the Mortar boats was found fit for service.
Either that Leofwine, or their Lordships really didn't mind if the bottom suddenly fell out of a Customs vessel!!
Perhaps the Dolphin was worth keeping!!
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: Leofwine on February 20, 2012, 23:26:16
Kentish Gazette - Tuesday 26 February 1861

CHATHAM.
The month's notice given to the hired mechanics and labourers at Chatham Dockyard having terminated, the first batch of bands discharged from the establishment left the dockyard on Saturday, when mechanics, most of them excellent workmen, quitted the service of the Admiralty. The same number will leave the dockyard weekly until the 25th May, by which date the whole of the 800 hand to be discharged will have left the establishment. An impression has for some time past prevailed among the shipwrights to be discharged of their being able to procure employment in the French dockyards at Cherbourg and Brest, where they had intended transferring their services after quitting this establishment. Within the last few days, however, private letters have been received from France, in reply to applications from some of the shipwrights at Chatham, intimating that there is no chance whatever of an English shipwright obtaining employment at either of the French naval yards, as, although the utmost activity prevails at establishments, there are comparatively few wooden vessels now under construction, the attention of the French Government being just now almost wholly devoted to the construction of iron-cased vessels.
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: kyn on April 01, 2012, 20:44:12
Some general shots taken by LewisE
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Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: swiftone on April 02, 2012, 07:04:48
Well done LewisE for taking shots at unusual angles to give us a different perspective of some familiar sights.
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: Sentinel S4 on April 02, 2012, 16:10:01
Nice pics LewisE, you have a good 'eye'. You don't realise what a beautiful ship the Gannet is until you see her from this angle. S4.
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: Bilgerat on July 14, 2012, 11:32:10
A couple of view of the Historic Dockyard taken from the scaffold tower around No 10 Crane.

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Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: peterchall on July 14, 2012, 11:49:07
Many thanks for some very interesting views that show much that can't be seen from ground level, such as the details of the roofs. :)
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: Lyn L on July 14, 2012, 15:00:28
Great pics Bilgerat, thanks very much for adding them  :)
Title: Re: Chatham Dockyard
Post by: kyn on August 07, 2012, 13:41:16
A painting from the late 1700s and a couple of general views.