Military => War Department Land => Topic started by: Islesy on September 20, 2009, 09:01:13

Title: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Islesy on September 20, 2009, 09:01:13
Look at any old large scale map, and you'll see how many of these are marked, denoting the boundaries of land owned by the War Department. Usually stone, although I have seen several examples on metal plates, most are numbered, whilst others include measurements. The purpose seems to be unclear - are they there purely as markers (similar to Parish boundary stones) or are they there for surveying purposes?

A metal marker set in the road at the junction of St. James' Street and Castle Hill Road in Dover.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3442/3935952883_6d9c2db389.jpg)

Markers at the base of the 64 steps, Cowga
te Cemetery in Dover.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2673/3935954133_1c2eeb83df.jpg) (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2644/3935955611_e1bac83161.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: seafordpete on September 20, 2009, 10:28:19
Boundary of ownership/jurisdiction so yes, much like a parish stone.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Islesy on October 09, 2009, 12:34:12
I thought more of you would join in with this :) Come on Sheppey and Medway!

At Canon's Gate, Dover Castle
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2647/3976703031_c631f1d52f.jpg)

At the Grand Shaft, Dover
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2604/3976712179_600279c00d.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on October 09, 2009, 19:44:24
You asked for it  :)

All within a few feet from each other.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Paul on October 10, 2009, 08:06:08
There was a website about these all over the country, But i cant find it now?

The KLIS maps 1927 show some :)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: unfairytale on October 10, 2009, 18:07:10
This one is at the bottom of Laureston Place. Dover.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2583/3997861311_aebf21e693.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: unfairytale on October 11, 2009, 11:15:14
Connaught Hill. Dover.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2528/4000718384_4268c7e020.jpg)
There's also a Bench Mark to the left of the stone.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Paul on October 12, 2009, 20:34:21
Anyone know what the boundary stone A^D  whats the A?...   Agriculture?
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: seafordpete on October 13, 2009, 16:22:08
Anyone know what the boundary stone A^D  whats the A?...   Agriculture?

If ^ is an arrow how about "Army Department"?
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Paul on October 13, 2009, 16:53:25
I dont know?

But this is it on the map.

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm223/Paulwp/Capture66.jpg)

Near Bell Farm, Minster,Sheppey.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: seafordpete on October 13, 2009, 17:02:50
Yes it is "Army Department" ,predated WD
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Paul on October 13, 2009, 17:34:07
Cheers :)

Do you know when it changed?
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: seafordpete on October 13, 2009, 18:51:28
Cheers :)

Do you know when it changed?

I noticed it when I was doing the Times extracts, think it was about 1870s but not certain
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Islesy on October 16, 2009, 08:32:39
Another Dover one - bottom of Military Hill.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3531/4014207153_32824335c3.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Islesy on October 16, 2009, 21:52:58
Another couple in Dover - up Castle Hill this time!

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3426/4017443482_4eb5cf53c5.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2459/4017442258_0d89dbde84.jpg)

Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: unfairytale on October 18, 2009, 20:42:50
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2489/4022665463_124e0e5659.jpg)
Priory Hill. Dover
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Islesy on October 23, 2009, 23:39:10
This is getting curiously addictive - worrying!! Four more - and even some in colour!

A couple at Swingate

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2545/4038454344_e0fc3b44fd.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3471/4037703413_dd22ea5636.jpg)

Shot Yard Battery at Dover Castle

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2693/4038442552_75f1029bbd.jpg)

And at the top of Castle Hill Road

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2584/4037691961_98432083d8.jpg)



Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: sheppey_bottles on October 30, 2009, 18:13:43
This sign and half a sign quite close to it, upper left in the same picture, is on the brick wall of the building at the top of Love Lane, Minster, sheppey, Kent.

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l218/Sheppey_bottles_John/love_lane_wd.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: seafordpete on October 31, 2009, 11:10:58
This sign and half a sign quite close to it, upper left in the same picture, is on the brick wall of the building at the top of Love Lane, Minster, sheppey, Kent.


Think that is a "spot height" mark, shown on OS 1938 as 155 ft ASL
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: unfairytale on October 31, 2009, 12:07:30
Normally shown on maps as B.M. (bench mark).
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: seafordpete on October 31, 2009, 12:11:36
Normally shown on maps as B.M. (bench mark).
I agree & normally thee  is a  horizontal line above the arrow tip. 1938 shows only .155
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Islesy on November 03, 2009, 18:58:58
Another three to add to Dover's collection; I'm now clearing vegetation to get photos of the damn things!
All three are set in the wall running up Castle Hill, at head height and hidden behind the Ivy.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3503/4072165659_2a49dcbbb8.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2479/4072926450_bfe8a0ded4.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2625/4072163419_1de3b8c4ba.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: unfairytale on November 07, 2009, 17:46:58
Two photos of a stone (No. 47A)at St. James's cemetery. Dover.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2756/4082810753_bab06b7100_m.jpg)   (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3514/4082806961_cea7718797_m.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: unfairytale on November 07, 2009, 17:52:13
Here's one (No. 41) at the top of Connaught Park. Dover.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3476/4083652528_3c14a59b85_m.jpg)  (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2675/4082822843_b8ed2ae147_m.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: unfairytale on November 07, 2009, 18:01:12
On Connaught Hill. Dover.
No 44  (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2604/4082889413_02285a8abe_m.jpg) No. 44B (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2793/4083580510_1db322085c_m.jpg) No. 44C (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2536/4083577602_32f12fff0d_m.jpg)
No 44D (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3471/4082963973_60f967887b_m.jpg) No. 44E (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3526/4083746428_bb79e819b3_m.jpg) No. 44F (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3485/4064620634_c5774261b8_m.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: unfairytale on November 08, 2009, 09:23:40
Top of Old Charlton Road. Dover.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2625/4085550688_27a4fe3b91_m.jpg) (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2756/4085553352_0f26156209_m.jpg)

Also a Parish Boundary marker.

 Outside Cannons gate and another at Shotyard battery. Dover Castle
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2785/4086478638_fe5ce0644b_m.jpg)      (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2620/4086487634_1d6e027883_m.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: unfairytale on November 14, 2009, 17:10:48
North Entrance. Western Heights. Dover.             Durham Hill. Dover
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2725/4103500168_541f139388_m.jpg)                  (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2735/4103500160_74a2262f6b_m.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: unfairytale on November 14, 2009, 17:14:13
Two together on Military Hill. Dover
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2513/4103500148_54defcf01b_m.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: unfairytale on December 06, 2009, 19:25:31
 North Military Hill. Dover.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2588/4163196531_8c4cef04f1.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: sheppey_bottles on December 07, 2009, 10:02:04
This marker is just outside Queenborough train station on the edge of the Castle site, you can see the Castle mound and School in the background.

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l218/Sheppey_bottles_John/wd.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Islesy on December 07, 2009, 12:32:09
Another on Military Hill in Dover.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2609/4113321214_c78f0f374f.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Islesy on December 07, 2009, 12:34:36
At the entrance to Dover Castle, strange one this, not sure if it's WD or a BM.

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2737/4098507769_d197cb4cb0.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Islesy on January 03, 2010, 22:20:48
On the south side of the Western Heights beneath the Citadel.

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4071/4241365627_21abf81d38.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: BenG on January 30, 2010, 20:27:23
Another (only just) near the North Entrance, Dover.
(http://www.kentexploration.co.uk/images/stories/misc/boundarymk/DSCF0370.JPG)

Looking at it does it say No 36? In which case No 36 which Islesy photgraphed must have replaced it.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Islesy on February 03, 2010, 15:47:38
Another couple from me, strange looks as I scoured the hedgerows at St. James' Cemetery!!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4003/4327267299_0e656afca5.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2804/4327999872_7d2377528b.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Chatham_Girl85 on February 06, 2010, 21:24:37
One in Medway....now the weather is changing im going to go for wanders to see if I can find anymore


(http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg454/ChathamGirl85/Out%20and%20About/P060210_12520002.jpg)


(http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg454/ChathamGirl85/Out%20and%20About/P060210_12520001.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on February 07, 2010, 12:14:31
Two in the grounds of St Mary's Church opposite Fort Amherst.

Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: unfairytale on February 11, 2010, 16:57:59
Shakespeare Road. Dover.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2692/4348407367_ee26840633.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: unfairytale on February 14, 2010, 20:54:43
St. Mary's Cemetery. Charlton. Dover.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4052/4356580777_5af9c9c497.jpg)
Doubles as a parish boundry marker.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: BenG on March 23, 2010, 21:07:31
Copperhouse Lane, Gillingham:
(http://www.kentexploration.co.uk/images/stories/misc/boundarymk/Photo04_4A.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Alan on May 22, 2010, 22:54:50
This one what's left of it,is on the corner of the
old co-op warehouse, in the festival field New Road
Sheerness.

(http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx38/argus65/khfmay2010/100_1206.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Leofwine on June 10, 2010, 23:16:29
I took some photographs of a stone benchmark in Brompton that I understand was put there to aid Royal Engineeers in their surveying training (and presumably used by the OS too). It obviously has a military origin as it beards the inscription 'WD' and the broad arrow of the War Department.  It is situated on the corner of Maxwell Road and Garden Street.

I wondered if anyone knew any more about it?  I also wondered how old it is (it's been there as long as I can remember!).   Anyone know?
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4070/4688766150_ddbe1af332.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4688132117_06c34d5e9d.jpg)

Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: DoverDan on June 21, 2010, 01:15:21
No51a on the north eastern boundery of St James cemetery Dover.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/4697634692_a845d85007_b.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Leofwine on June 21, 2010, 01:50:12
Having had my post on the subject moved into the right thread (thanks kyn or whoever did it) I now know a bit more about it.  I had always assumed it was just a benchmark for surveying, I didn't know they were land boundary markers too.  I assume this one marked part of the edge of Chatham Lines.

In the original post in this thread Islesy asked "are they there for surveying purposes?"   I can say that in the case of the Maxwell Road one at least, the answer is yes.  As a kid I can remember seeing RE surveyors using them as a starting point for their surveying training, which is why I had assumed it was purely a benchmark.  One thing I do notice about it that is different to most of the others posted here is that it has no numbers on it of any kind, and it has a piece of metal set in the top (this metal plate just above the arrow was what the surveyors always used as their reference point).   As merc's photos show, there is one set in the wall on the other side of Garden Street that does have all the usual numbers, so I am now wondering if this is a benchmark used as a boundary marker or a boundary marker used as a benchmark!
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: cliveh on July 07, 2010, 21:04:58
Found this one in the woodland walk in the grounds of Walmer Castle today:

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg182/cliveinkent/Walmer%20Castle%20and%20Gardens%2007-07-2010/IMG_2403.jpg)

cliveh
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on July 10, 2010, 19:01:50
Three starting at St Mary's Church and following the path to the Command House, Chatham.
(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii34/batgirlphotos/KHF/IMG_4583Small.jpg)

(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii34/batgirlphotos/KHF/IMG_4584Small.jpg)

(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii34/batgirlphotos/KHF/IMG_4591Small.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Leofwine on July 10, 2010, 23:07:53
I noticed that the stone on the corner of Maxwell Road and garden street pictured earlier was there in the mid 1860s, it shows up on an old photo and plan from that date that I posted in the Holy Trinity Church Thread http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=3477.msg56356#msg56356
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Leofwine on July 22, 2010, 22:56:27
Another one in Maxwell Road, Brompton. Would have originally marked the corner of the the old Garrison Hospital land. It seems that the wall bordering the new Conway Mews housing development had to be built around it!

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4139/4818838255_bd8b2403d7.jpg)

And here it is on an 1866 map (highlighted)
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4073/4818877725_fe1c43defb.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: merc on July 23, 2010, 23:38:24
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee257/mercury1923/WDJuly23.jpg)

Lower Rainham Road, Gillingham.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: DoverDan on August 17, 2010, 18:15:35
No5 located just behind Cowgate cemetery and below Drop Redoubt Dover.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/4901311123_8c17ff02be_z.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: unfairytale on February 24, 2011, 18:10:55
Near Fan Hole. Dover.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5091/5473724169_08bcf5cc4a.jpg)

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5018/5474317202_b9e9549535.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: col on April 13, 2011, 10:08:09
In some woods near Kearsney Abbey in Dover there are some boundary stones with 'M.O.D' written on them, presumably these were later ones, after it became the Ministry of Defence.  Anyone else come across these? Never seen any like those before.  Unfortunately, I didn't have a camera.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Chatham_Girl85 on April 28, 2011, 18:15:05

Lower Rainham Road, Gillingham.

Number 116 is over the road, on the corner of Lower Featherby Road.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Leofwine on May 02, 2011, 22:36:37
This one is in in Mansion Row, Brompton, just north (closer to Brompton Barracks) of the second one in Mercs post in this thread on October 10, 2009, 19:08:04 (http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=4074.msg34794#msg34794)  The two markers are showing the boundary of the old Artillery Officers barracks on the corner of Garden Street & Mansion Row.

Sadly someone decided to put a drainpipe over it!
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5188/5681089081_3b56f4e07d_z.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Sentinel S4 on June 27, 2011, 16:36:15
They most like vanished when Tourtel Rd was pushed through. That is half on the Cavalry Ground and half in the City.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Bobdonk on August 08, 2011, 16:30:43
This one is in Marlborough Road Gillingham (could be the one in Merc's Post #10)

(http://i740.photobucket.com/albums/xx50/bobdonk/Boundary%20Stones/IMG_2000.jpg)

One in Upnor High Street

(http://i740.photobucket.com/albums/xx50/bobdonk/Boundary%20Stones/IMG_1663.jpg)

I'm not too sure what this one is in Brompton.

(http://i740.photobucket.com/albums/xx50/bobdonk/Boundary%20Stones/IMG_1997.jpg)

Bob
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: merc on August 08, 2011, 17:18:37
This one is in Marlborough Road Gillingham (could be the one in Merc's Post #10)

Bob
Interesting. If it is the same one they must have recently re-erected it....

Several WD Boundary Markers were probably removed when they built Upbury Manor (Brompton Acadamy).
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Bobdonk on August 09, 2011, 10:49:40
Interesting. If it is the same one they must have recently re-erected it....

It is a few yards north of the entrance to the lines at Paget Street,  between the new boundary wall and the trees. As it is not actually on the boundary it must have been re-erected at some point. I assume it was when the fence was taken down and the boundary wall erected.

Bob
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: bromptonboy on August 09, 2011, 12:13:34
That one has been re-erected. It was laying on the ground for a fair while after the railings were removed.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on November 30, 2011, 19:26:24
Barrier Road on a wall which forms the outer part of Fort Amherst.
(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii34/batgirlphotos/KHF/IMG_1568.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on May 13, 2012, 12:23:44
Upchat Road, Upnor
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Lyn L on May 13, 2012, 13:00:43
I like them with the anchor  :)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on May 13, 2012, 13:20:04
Yes I do too, they probably shouldn't be in this thread as they are Admiralty markers :)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Leofwine on May 13, 2012, 18:24:59
New thread for Admiralty Boundary Markers?
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on May 13, 2012, 21:11:03
I don't know if it matters, unless others would find it more useful to have them seperate?
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: bromptonboy on May 14, 2012, 14:44:11
keep them together and maybe rename the section as 'Government Land Boundary Markers'?
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on May 14, 2012, 16:03:34
Sounds ok to me, anyone else have an opinion?
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Leofwine on May 15, 2012, 00:25:09
I'm not too sure what this one is in Brompton.

I'm wondering if that one might be a parish boundary rather than government one because of the date. The parish of Brompton was formed out of Gillingham parish in 1830.  I wonder id it was already known as Old Brompton by that date in which case the 'OP' might stand for 'Old Brompton Parish' ?
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on August 31, 2012, 11:16:54
179 in Ambley Woods
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on October 10, 2012, 19:26:42
High Street, Grain.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: merc on April 20, 2013, 17:17:52
I noticed this one at Fort Amherst today. It was previously hidden by undergrowth. It's next to the picnic area, by the edge of the Barrier Ditch.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Leofwine on April 20, 2013, 17:54:30
I think that one is an admiralty marker that once marked the boundary of the Sailor's Home land.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: merc on April 20, 2013, 18:31:53
Some of the writing is unclear on it.  I think it's a 'WD' marker, but I could be wrong....

Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Leofwine on April 20, 2013, 21:49:28
I looked at the pic again, and you are right. There was/is an admiralty one at the top of the Barrier Ditch that I understood was for the Sailors' Home, but that would have been on the opposite side of the ditch. Strangely I cant find a boundary stone on that side of the Barrier Ditch on any of the old maps I have so I wonder if it was moved from somewhere else?
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Leofwine on April 20, 2013, 22:35:01
After checking the old maps of the area I have located where that stone comes from, but can't explain how it got to the fort. Until sometime between 1896 and 1909 WD Stone No.16 was located on the Lower Lines, on the north side of Medway Road, opposite the end of Wyles Street. It is no longer there after 1909. My guess is that when the land in that area was transferred to the Admiralty (c.1903?) the stone was removed and somehow ended up at the fort. Stones 15 - 12 were also located along the north side of Medway Road/Bridge Road and also disappeared at the same time.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: merc on April 21, 2013, 13:23:59
Very interesting, thanks Leofwine :)

Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: bromptonboy on April 22, 2013, 09:52:08
When the Barrier Ditch was being cleared and re-excavated back in the late 1980's/early 90's some WD boundary stones were found in the fill, including the one pictured, which suggests that on some occasions the redundant ditches were used as tips by the WD/MOD. Makes you wonder what else might turn up?
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Leofwine on April 22, 2013, 17:31:05
Any idea what happened to the other ones bromptonboy?
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: bromptonboy on April 22, 2013, 18:48:17
I am sure there were two or three of them. They just sat there for ages on the top of the ditch wall where the digger deposited them.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: merc on April 22, 2013, 20:00:35
I think there was a smaller, grey, piece of stone there, but I didn't pay much attention to that one as I thought it was just a piece of rubble. Could that be one of them?

I might pop down the fort tomorrow to have another look...
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: merc on April 23, 2013, 21:07:23
Here's the other stone which is near it. I didn't notice the writing on top first time, mind you, I can't read it. Any ideas? (might even be upside down)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Leofwine on May 18, 2013, 15:12:14
Most of the boundary stones in this thread are of the same basic type: WD, the broad arrow and a number (or an anchor & number for Admiralty ones),  but does anyone know when this pattern originated.  I know that boundary stones are shown on the 1718 map showing the land purchased for the Lines, but I don't know if they were of that pattern. I have seen a couple with dates from the mid-nineteenth century, but the basic design was possibly in use before this.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Leofwine on May 18, 2013, 23:41:55
Stone No. 114, Junction of Lower Rainham Road & Featherby Road at Grange. It is associated with the Grange Redoubt (http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=1724.0)

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2851/8751934020_16b6dca694_c.jpg)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on June 03, 2013, 11:07:25
Leofwine mentioned a few weeks ago that he was considering touring Brompton to find all the marked stones and seeing which ones were missing.  Well I decided to have a wander yesterday around Darland to do the same thing.  The map below is the one I worked from and is dated 1938.  The red circles show the ones I couldn't find, the light green show the ones I didn't look for (too many brambles) and the turquoise ones are the ones I found.

(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii34/batgirlphotos/KHF2/DSCF8592.jpg) (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/batgirlphotos/media/KHF2/DSCF8592.jpg.html)

The first one I found (1) on Darland Road on the wall of the old Upper Darland Farm wall and looks like this:

(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii34/batgirlphotos/KHF2/DSCF9306.jpg) (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/batgirlphotos/media/KHF2/DSCF9306.jpg.html)

Got some funny looks from a lady walking past as I photographed it :)

The second one (2) was along the A2 just before you reach the new TA centre from Chatham:

(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii34/batgirlphotos/KHF2/DSCF9309.jpg) (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/batgirlphotos/media/KHF2/DSCF9309.jpg.html)

(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii34/batgirlphotos/KHF2/DSCF9311.jpg) (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/batgirlphotos/media/KHF2/DSCF9311.jpg.html)

And the third one (3) is on the back of the Marker Stone (32 miles to London) on the opposite side of the road near the Will Adams Memorial:

(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii34/batgirlphotos/KHF2/DSCF9317.jpg) (http://s260.photobucket.com/user/batgirlphotos/media/KHF2/DSCF9317.jpg.html)

Actually the last one is not a WD Boundary Marker, just a benchmark, I got a little carried away!  The actual boundary marker was missing or hidden in a bush!
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Leofwine on June 03, 2013, 13:02:11
Good work kyn. If you check the 1890s or 1909 OS maps they even tell you the number of the stone you are looking for.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on June 03, 2013, 13:25:05
Are these accessible online?  It took me ages to find a plan to use for this in my stuff!
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: jammy36 on June 03, 2013, 14:06:20
Hi Kyn

The Kent County Council on-line Historic Environment Record (HER) includes options to view a selection of historic Ordnance Survey Maps - http://www.kent.gov.uk/HeritageGIS/Map.aspx

Zoom in to the area that you want to look at, once you've got close enough in the option to display historic maps becomes available using the drop-down selector below the main map window (next to the print button). The 1897-1900 map option shows the boundary markers and their numbers.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on June 03, 2013, 14:12:19
Thank you very much Jammy36 :)  I forgot about that link!
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: merc on June 30, 2013, 19:19:20
This one's in Old Pattens Lane, Rochester.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: merc on September 02, 2013, 18:51:42
Located at the footpath that goes from Borstal Street to Hill Road, near Fort Borstal.

I wasn't sure if it was a WD Boundary Marker or a Bench Mark ???. Looking at old maps there is a WD stone roughly at that location, marked as '8A'...

Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on September 20, 2013, 11:31:48
I knew I would find one of these if I looked hard enough, but thought it would be stone!

On the wall surrounding Medway Hospital (the old Naval Hospital).  This is on the corner of York Avenue and windmill Road :)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Lyn L on September 20, 2013, 13:13:05
Well spotted Kyn, the times I've been past and didn't ever see it  :)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on September 20, 2013, 13:28:43
I have walked past this for years and didn't spot it!  I wonder if Merc did?
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: merc on October 23, 2013, 16:47:55
I have walked past this for years and didn't spot it!  I wonder if Merc did?
Oops sorry Kyn, I missed this post...and have never noticed the marker either (despite going constantly past it for over 30 years) Well spotted :)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: merc on October 23, 2013, 16:50:49
Beside a footpath near the Daisy Banks, Luton.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Apollo on October 27, 2013, 20:22:28
A bit further west this time. Gravesend, in fact. The first can be found on the wall of Custom House, The Terrace, and the second, on the wall of the Milton Chantry Heritage Centre, Commercial Place (New Tavern Fort lies just behind the chapel).

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q755/Jake_Etheridge/ef19afdd-a0f0-4fd4-b935-93af20b26b74_zpsf0483208.jpg)

(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q755/Jake_Etheridge/P1000993_zps6219478c.jpg)

(The second image is stubbornly too big, despite trying to resize it several times in Photobucket!)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on October 27, 2013, 20:30:08
It is nice to see some added that are not Medway or Dover :)
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Kentishwolf on October 29, 2013, 14:46:20
Following on from Apollo's post, I took a walk around the accessible parts of Milton Barracks. Lots of the old wall surviving, but sadly, few of the boundary markers.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Kentishwolf on October 29, 2013, 15:00:22
Another one, this time on the North side of New Tavern Fort.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: merc on December 03, 2013, 14:38:15
Pier Approach Road, Gillingham.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: merc on March 09, 2014, 20:00:15
Another one I found near Fort Borstal.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: merc on March 17, 2014, 11:45:51
Barrier Road, Chatham. Behind the Brook Theatre, near The Eye.

If this is one, it's not in its original location and has been moved.

Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Rochester-bred on March 17, 2014, 13:50:52
I found this one when passing by in a car on the top of the Rochester Maidstone Road. The other picture, I am not sure if it is a boundary marker but remember it well from going to church further down the Maidstone Road outside Saint John Fishers church.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: Rochester-bred on March 17, 2014, 13:52:46
My first time posting a picture so please bear with me, you may have to click on the bottom picture to view, thank you.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on July 25, 2014, 22:52:23
Star Lane, Gillingham.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: cliveh on September 15, 2014, 10:19:45
These are on the wall near St. Mary's Church. They mark the boundary between the Army & Navy Gun Wharfs

cliveh
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: cliveh on November 18, 2014, 11:50:37
Just noticed this unusual one on Sunday - Board of Ordnance boundary stone at the base of the Chatham Gun Wharf wall in St Mary's Churchyard

cliveh
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on August 15, 2015, 00:28:00
Dover Castle
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on July 17, 2016, 00:29:56
Deal Castle?
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: bmacm on August 01, 2016, 20:42:31
From a 1906 ordnance map it shows the large number of boundary markers around Walmer castle.
Also notice that Kingsdown Road was called Wellington Road back then.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: RPH on April 29, 2017, 23:57:38
War Department boundary stone WD No 172 in one corner of East Hoath wood, Gillingham adjacent to the Delphi factory boundary. It has a concrete fence post in front of it. I presume this is part of the boundary of Fort Darland (now the Gillingham business estate).
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: RPH on April 30, 2017, 00:10:04
War Department boundary stone WD 135 in woods below the North end of the Darland banks, Gillingham. I assume once more that this was part of the boundary of Fort Darland, just like stones 172, 179 and 180.

Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on April 30, 2017, 01:31:58
Thank you for adding these,  I hadn't realised there were any near Delphi!

Between Fort Darland and this area the land was used as a training ground.  Delphi is placed near to where the armaments depot was located.
Title: Re: War Department Boundary Markers
Post by: kyn on May 12, 2018, 22:20:16
Canada Road, Deal