Leisure => Retail => Topic started by: numanfan on February 27, 2010, 12:41:21

Title: Chatham High Street
Post by: numanfan on February 27, 2010, 12:41:21
Although the High Street has been talked about in the Pentagon Shopping Centre thread, I thought we could have a new topic covering the rest of what was once called 'Chathams Golden Mile' (stop laughing!)
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: Galgo23 on February 27, 2010, 14:35:11
Mid 1970s.

(http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz135/galgo23/HighStreetChathamc1977.jpg)
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: peterchall on February 27, 2010, 16:24:56
Re the 'No Waiting' signs in the gutter in Numanfans photo. Presumably they would have been put there by the police or council. Where they a portable fore-runner of yellow lines?
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: peterchall on February 28, 2010, 12:11:06
Yes, the dentist is still there. The shop on the corner was Newcombe's the tailors, although I think it later became a bookshop. The road opposite led to a woodyard (Scott's?) that also had a frontage on Railway Street next to what was then the GPO.

Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: superdec on February 28, 2010, 13:59:33
i cant picture were that shot is facing well b4 my time.. but the dentist is that the ashley lupin 1 or is it the 1 right under the flyover next to the bakery :)
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: Lyn L on February 28, 2010, 16:35:39
The dentist IS the one 'next door ' to the bakery there's a cafe on the corner, and the bakery is now a foodshop. Used to work in the bakery which was Nicholas Kingmans, it had a cafe at the rear of the shop, with a Gaggia cappucino machine. I  was serving one day and the steam handle slipped and shot back, the noise was terrific and I sent the whole shopful of customers out into the High St because they thought it was an explosion , sadly it happened again a  few weeks later so they moved me to another branch which was opposite the Bowling Alley on Watling St, where there was no cafe.  :) and I couldn't frighten the customers, but they didn't think too badly of me, when I got married later that year, their wedding present to us was a 3 tier Wedding cake.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: karlostg on February 28, 2010, 19:05:41
Yes, the dentist is still there. The shop on the corner was Newcombe's the tailors, although I think it later became a bookshop. The road opposite led to a woodyard (Scott's?) that also had a frontage on Railway Street next to what was then the GPO.

Yes you are right, Scotts Timberyard. I bought something from Newcombe's once, cant remember what though, I was at school at the time.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: peterchall on February 28, 2010, 22:26:56
All the properties on the left were demolished and replaced by the flyover & now it's an empty space.

Weren't the buildings on the left the 'back' of Globe Lane where the dentist's is, and were incorporated into the present Argos site? Previous to Bates moving into there it belonged to one of the supermarkets (was it Sainsbury's?) where we went to get Xmas chickens in cardboard boxes; I've got a recollection that they had to be ordered in advance - chickens were not on sale all year round! At some time, I can't remember exactly when, it was a shop that redeemed 'Green Shield' stamps. For 50 million stamps you could get a teapot, or something like that :)
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: peterchall on March 03, 2010, 12:05:19
Back to the other end of the High Street and the first picture. I think this picture dated 1905-1910 was taken from roughly the same place; compare the two tall chimneys on the buildings in the distance, above the cart parked on the left (easier if you get this pic on screen alongside pic 1). The nearest shop, Hockley's Wines, was No 282 and seems to be where Fine Fare was - it is now an arcade of small shops. Does this correspond with any editions of Kelly's?

(http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt309/petec-photo/DE402_16_24U1.jpg)
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: peterchall on March 05, 2010, 17:20:45
I previously posted part of this picture to show Paines's premises on the north side of the High Street.
 
Here is the full picture, pre-1909, looking west, showing the Mitre Hotel and the Clarence Hotel, No 198, with the arms of the Duke of Clarence above the door. George Carter's, hosiery, is at No 192.
The accompanying text mentions that Nelson stayed at the Mitre when visiting Chatham, and that the site was demolished in 1935 to make way for Woolworth.s.
(http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt309/petec-photo/DE402_16_1112.jpg)

This picture looking, looking east in 1927, shows the Mitre (now apparently including the Clarence), at No 198 with George Carter's, hatter, on the corner of Meeting House Lane, No 200. Clover Street is past the next group of shops.
(http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt309/petec-photo/DE402_16_12U1.jpg)

This picture, dated 1948, looking west, shows W. Hinds, jewellers, at No 180; 50/- Taylors at No 182; the Invicta Cinema, No 184, was in Fullager's Yard; Woolworths at No 186-190; and George Carter's at No 192-200.
(http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt309/petec-photo/DE402_16_161.jpg)

Is it me, or does the numbering not quite correspond between the different photos?
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: numanfan on March 06, 2010, 12:34:13
Is it me, or does the numbering not quite correspond between the different photos?

I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that the numbers changed quite regularly in the High Street.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: numanfan on March 07, 2010, 10:19:13
Kellys from 1937.

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/kellys1937woolworth.jpg)
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: redge on March 07, 2010, 19:05:39
In the 1974 Kellys... 116 High st  was Pink Shields Stamps
                  184 to 190 High st  was Woolworths
                            192 High st  was Carter George, Outfitters
                  194 to 198 High st  was British Home Stores
                          198a High st  was Bata Shoe Co
                          
;  200 High st  was  Alexander Ltd tailors
                 here is Meeting House lane
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: peterchall on March 08, 2010, 11:10:36
As far back as I can remember, even during the war, it has been one way.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: numanfan on March 08, 2010, 11:17:06
As far back as I can remember, even during the war, it has been one way.

Ah, but nowadays it's one-way from  Military Road, when did it change?
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: peterchall on March 08, 2010, 12:19:17
It's only open (I think) before 10am and after 6pm for deliveries to shops, and then I'm sure it's 2-way. I don't know how long it's been pedestrianised - quite a few years now.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: peterchall on March 08, 2010, 12:47:46
I've put together the details of the occupation of the shops from the 1909 and 1927 photos (Reply#57), 1937 Kelly's (Reply#72), and 1974 Kelly's (Reply#81) so that the changes can easily be seen.

                         (http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt309/petec-photo/img092-1.jpg)

It looks as if an extra shop, No198a, was somehow slotted in between No198 and the shop with the white facade on the corner of Meeting House Lane, No200, shown in the 1927 photo. No198a also had a white facade, as shown in the aerial shot (Reply#74). Then at some time the original No200 must have been demolished, to be replaced by the present 'modern looking' building.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: peterchall on March 09, 2010, 20:31:03
As far back as I can remember, even during the war, it has been one way.
Ah, but nowadays it's one-way from  Military Road, when did it change?
It's only open (I think) before 10am and after 6pm for deliveries to shops, and then I'm sure it's 2-way.

To clarify my thoughts about traffic direction in the High Street, the only access without going through a 'No Entry' sign at a side road is via the locked gates in Military Road. I believe emergency vehicles carry keys to unlock these, but does anyone know what the arrangements are for delivery vehicles? While entry from Military Road logically gives a one way traffic flow, I don?t think there are any 'One-Way' signs, which suggests it wouldn't actually be illegal for a vehicle to go the other way.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: peterchall on March 10, 2010, 10:46:54
Rhode Street on the right. The newsagent is (or was until recently) a greengrocer. The newer buildings are now Iceland, a card shop, and others I can't remember. Was at one time Anthony Jacksons and Victor Value.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: numanfan on March 10, 2010, 11:23:03
Spot on :)

Not sure when Iceland etc. went up?


(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/kellys1937RedLion.jpg)

Strangely, the Red Lion pub isn't mentioned on the corner of Military Road. When did it become a pub, anyone know?
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: redge on March 10, 2010, 16:10:19
1974 Kelly's
here is Batchelor st
263/269 Nina Kaye, Draper
275
277 Betabake, Bakers
279/285 Tesco's supermarket
287 Redway Discount stores. decoraters merchant
291/293 South Eastern Electricity
295 Cooper, Outfitters
297 Kemsley, Butchers
299 Harry Fenton, Outfitters
here is boney alley
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: sheppey_bottles on March 11, 2010, 11:48:15
Have had a look through this topic and could not find this image..This looks like roughly the same image as in post #107 but was taken around 1900.

(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l218/Sheppey_bottles_John/chat_high_6.jpg)
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: numanfan on March 11, 2010, 12:35:11
Have had a look through this topic and could not find this image..This looks like roughly the same image as in post #107 but was taken around 1900.

I've seen that image before, the photographer has his back to the Fountain Inn pub, looking across to 'Full-A-Love Alley' (mentioned on another post on the forum), which would eventually become Batchelor Street.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: redge on March 11, 2010, 19:11:21
1974 Chatham High st.
139/141 High st   Burton Montague Ltd
here is Military Rd
147/151 High st   Boots the Chemist


1974 Military road.
2/4  Military rd  Samuel H  Jewellers
4  Military rd   Betabake Bakers
4b Military rd   Dollies Boutique (hairdressers)
6 Military rd  Boots the Chemist

I remember then, you could walk in Boots in the High st enterance, and go round and out into Military rd
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: redge on April 14, 2010, 19:43:20
1974. here is Manor road.
        102, Halfords cycle shop,
        106, National Westmister Bank,
  108/114, T.Harwoods dept store,
        116, Pink Shield Stamp Co,
        118, Christian Literature,
        120, Radio Rentals,
        122, Snob, Ladies Outfitters,
        124, A. Mountstephen, watch repairers,
        126 Timothy Whites,
        128, Serena, cut price store,
  130/132, Halifax Building Society, />        132a Scotts Timber yard
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: karlostg on April 20, 2010, 12:08:59
Interesting how the bank has lost its scrolls above the door.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: redge on September 12, 2010, 16:37:45
1974/  W.H.Smiths & son, Booksellers
          95/97,High st Chatham.
         99/101,High st Chatham. Manfield & son, Boot makers
  here is Higgins lane.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: Mr. Ron on September 12, 2010, 17:09:17
Thanks :)

According to Google a dental practice now?.
I'm presuming High Street has not been renumbered since.

Looking down the High St on google maps it seems to ring some bells but of course being pedestrianised I cannot view the frontage.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: smiffy on October 12, 2010, 22:32:15
Top photo: Sun Hotel on the right, looking west. Picture taken in the 1920's. Copper on point duty!

Bottom photo: Interesting comparison to numanfan's pic, also 1920's. Main difference is Barnards before it burnt down.



Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: peterchall on October 12, 2010, 22:57:10
Thanks for the pics. It looks as if Medway Street was cobbled.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: redge on November 05, 2010, 22:31:07
1974/  164,166 High st,Tesco Ltd, Drapers,
          168, William Paine, Mens & Boys Outfitters.
          170, Central Hall.
          If you look above 168 you can still see the WP Logo.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: prefabkid on November 16, 2010, 10:13:18
Kelly's 1961
411/415 High Street Chatham
C J Howard & Son Ltd. Property owners,builders & contractors.

In the early 1980's
Hadleigh (D.R.G.)Ltd. Domestic & contract furnishers, they also had premises
in Lower Stone Street & Week Street Maidstone.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: patmore on January 26, 2011, 14:50:35
Numanfans 1979 pic. shows traffic running east in the High St, why was this? I can only ever remember it being an east to west one way thoroughfare.
                                                                                                                                               James
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: kyn on February 21, 2011, 22:10:43
This thread is for general photographs, directory information or general comments about the High Street only.  Do not post comments about individual shops here, please start a new thread or add to existing threads in the Retail board.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: smiler on April 04, 2011, 19:00:16
Numanfans 1979 pic. shows traffic running east in the High St, why was this? I can only ever remember it being an east to west one way thoroughfare.
                                                                                                                                               James
                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Think traffic making deliveries have run from east to west since High St. was pedestrianised.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: YoungNan on February 22, 2012, 15:44:44
1984
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/EveningPost1984.jpg)

Harris' bicycle shop next door to the Evening Post premises.

Knew that place....it was my sister-in-law`s Dad`s shop.  :)
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: peterchall on June 26, 2012, 09:21:54
Impossible to date precisely, but the bike left propped against the kerb while its owner was in the shop is a relic of past times.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: kewtie on June 26, 2012, 19:56:46
The 1965 photo looks like it has Royal Mail Van No. 29 from Best Street sorting office in the High Street.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: mad4amanda on March 18, 2013, 22:53:28
1984
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/EveningPost1984.jpg)

Harris' bicycle shop next door to the Evening Post premises.

Frank Harris sold his bike shop to C&S ( John Cordingley and Ray Smith) who had 3 other bike shops in the towns in about 1982 when he retired, I worked for him, that is their fascia as Franks was red. Unfortunately whereas Frank stocked quality bikes like Dawes and Claude Butler, C&S were very much at the budget volume end.
If you look closely you can see the C&S fascia.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: smiffy on April 05, 2013, 23:56:47
I wonder if anyone can identify these High Street buildings - the picture says 1890's. Pictures of the eastern part of the High Street from this time seem to show lots of particularly old and dilapidated structures so this is my guess as to its possible location. The sign looks like it says 'G W Taylor Shoemaker'. I'm not sure why there is boarding around the buildings, perhaps they were about to be demolished? A Kelly's of the right era may shed some light.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: numanfan on April 06, 2013, 04:57:44
It looks like a pub on the left of the photo, with people stood outside. I wonder if this is at the bottom of Cage Lane (Upbury Way now) and that is the White Swan?
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: smiffy on April 06, 2013, 23:16:10
Have had a look and I'm pretty sure it's not the White Swan. I've got an idea of the location now - but need to do a bit of checking!
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: smiffy on April 07, 2013, 18:57:16
I think I may have pinned this down now. The upper map is rotated 180 degrees for clarity, the lower one is the correct orientation and zoomed out for context.

On the far right of the picture is what appears to be an opening into a yard. The building in pink I believe to be the one in the photo with G W Taylor written on the name board.  Next to this building on the left is a small gap, then there are two smaller buildings adjacent to a larger brick building. Next to this on the far left is another building, which looking at the roof line seems to be at a slight angle to the other one. After this is the entrance to Whittaker/Church street. It all seems to tally with the map, which is from the 1860's - the 1879 map is the same. By 1898 this area had been redeveloped. I may be wrong about this, so if any other member thinks I may be mistaken feel free to comment.
Title: Re: Chatham High Street
Post by: petermilly on April 07, 2013, 19:12:32
You look spot on to me smiffy.  :)