Aviation => Landing Grounds => Topic started by: Paul on July 28, 2008, 11:20:15

Title: RAF Manston
Post by: Paul on July 28, 2008, 11:20:15
Ive been told that when they renewed part of the runway in the early 70's they built tunnels
with trapdoors that come out underneath the appron so special forces were able to get under
an Aircraft without being seen.
The idea was to divert hijacked flights there.
Dont know how true it is ???
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: Riding With The Angels on November 09, 2008, 20:07:01
A nostalgia trip of scanned pics (hence quality) - oh and a Phantom!

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f6/RidingWithTheAngels/Manston90001.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f6/RidingWithTheAngels/Manston86006.jpg)

(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f6/RidingWithTheAngels/Manston94002.jpg)

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(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f6/RidingWithTheAngels/Manston90.jpg)

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(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f6/RidingWithTheAngels/file%202/Manston90002.jpg)
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: Riding With The Angels on November 09, 2008, 20:10:29
I have always puzzled over the coppery coloured radome on 'P'.
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: Paul on November 10, 2008, 20:28:39
I have always puzzled over the coppery coloured radome on 'P'.


Ive seen the same sort of thing on Hercules transports goldie coloured looked like a bay window it was for Sideways looking IR or SLIR that could be somekind of FLIR.

WW will know.
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: Riding With The Angels on November 11, 2008, 17:51:39
I have always puzzled over the coppery coloured radome on 'P'.


Ive seen the same sort of thing on Hercules transports goldie coloured looked like a bay window it was for Sideways looking IR or SLIR that could be somekind of FLIR.

WW will know.

I know what you mean but they appear usually to have been in the upper surface grey on grey painted examples or black on the camo ones. A grey on can be seen on the other Firebirds example and a black one on the camo example. It appears that the Fighting Cocks example has the same coppery coloured radome as the first Firebirds example. Perhaps it was just a variation on a theme but I have not seen it illustrated elsewhere (and I have a few books on the F-4  ;))
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: WildWeasel on November 11, 2008, 23:03:53
That Gold Radome is interesting.... From experience I would say that you are right to suspect its some kind of Optical system most likley FLIR
When I worked on this kind of stuff it was usually fitted to "Research" aircraft based at RAE Boscombe Down...These planes would not normally be sent anywhere the general Public would see them or be able to take photo's
Generally older aircraft....In the mid 80's we did some work with a Hunter !
Had to fit a bracket for the pilot to stow a pair of Night vision Goggles in the cockpit when not fitted to his helmet...No-one bothered to brief us about something called the Ejection Line.. If the Pilot had to punch out with the Goggles stowed where we put the bracket it would have removed a rather important part of his anatomy on the way out.......

Happy days !!

WW
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: rdfb2 on December 29, 2008, 15:45:42
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w94/rdfb2/Picture016.jpg)[

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taken about 1986 by the spitfie museum

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these planes all spent some time outside the spitfire museum where the car park is today, all pictures were taken in the 1980 s on our visits to the museum.
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: Riding With The Angels on December 31, 2008, 00:13:43
I know the Javelin and Canberra were scrapped before the memorial building was enlarged to fit the Hurricane in. I don't recall a Phantom being there between tho. Thats very interesting. It is also one of a handfull of F-4J(UK) models supplied after a detachment was sent to the Falklands of the standard FGR-2 model. These were ex mothballed USN versions with the GE engine and avionics and not as fast as the Spey engined Brit versions. I remember one being by the fence alongside the road to Birchington and another on the fire dump just after the Tigers disbanded with them. They were the only squadron equipped with the F-4J(UK) and one of them now resides
 in the USAF museum at Duxford now restored into USN livery.
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: rdfb2 on January 01, 2009, 15:36:47
just found this one to add.

(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w94/rdfb2/spit08.jpg)
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: rdfb2 on January 01, 2009, 21:51:12
i have also visited this site since  a child back in about 1968 to now,  every year i pop in whenever in the area,stopped of this year and bumped into a group of moped enthuisastes , who were visiting and doing a tour of kent, and staying at camp sites along the way,which they do every year,the bikes are parked about the same place as the spitfire is in the picture,but in around the late 60s it was parked further back from the road.and in a much poorer condition.

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Title: RAF Manston
Post by: Riding With The Angels on May 02, 2009, 23:01:39
Old Manston Pics-

9 sqn Vickers Vimy FB27 on of only 12 of this model completed at Crayford and serving at Manston 1918
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Bristol fighters of 2 sqn alongside the Ramsgate Road in 1927
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Cllr Kenyse dressed as Hengist with the Mayor of Ramsgate and a 500 sqn Vickers Virginia for Ramsgate Air Pageant 1934.
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500 sqn awaiting inspection 1935
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609 sqn Typhoons take off 1943.
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Invicta Airways DC and Viscount 1968
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USAF 1950's
F-86D Sabre
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F-84F Thunderstreak
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Title: RAF Manston
Post by: Riding With The Angels on May 02, 2009, 23:26:31
Missed one

48 sqn Anson lost power and ditched at Tankerton 26 June 1936
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Title: RAF Manston
Post by: LenP on May 14, 2009, 22:19:01
Just a little way from Monkton Malc's link are these three beauts:

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=sjs469h3c08x&style=b&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=7613313&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1 (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=sjs469h3c08x&style=b&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=7613313&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1)

But change the view to 'aerial' and they're not there, although the Canberra is in both.

A Buccaneer, a Phantom and what's the third? and are they there
now?
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: Riding With The Angels on May 15, 2009, 00:05:23
The third is a Jaguar Len
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: Paul on May 15, 2009, 10:23:02
That Canberra has been there years :)
Last time i looked at it about 1993,It was OK not chopped about.  ;)
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: WildWeasel on May 16, 2009, 22:21:40
There's an interesting Museum at Manston...Quite a few bits about firefighting I seem to remember they pioneered a system whereby an aircraft with problems that meant it couldnt lower its undercarriage ( Wheels ) could belly land on a Blanket of foam..
Gave it up as it was an enviromental nightmare...

Manston is one of the longest ( if not The Longest ) runways in the UK...This was why its been a diversion airfield for just about everything flying in UK Airspace....Someone told me it is actually long enough to recover the Space Shuttle in an emergency...
I know Keflavik in Iceland has the same designation and having flown in & out of there m
ore times than I can care to remember fully believe that Manston is of a similar size if not longer....

I took a flight out ( & back in !! ) from Manston with a friend many years ago in a Cessna 172....When we took off we had more than enough hard stuff to safely land back on again...Believe me its a long,long runway...

I would love to see it put to more use as an alternative to making more problems around Heathrow Gatwick or Stansted....
Still if Boris the Pratt gets his way we may end up with the long promised Offshore Airport in the Thames Estuary off Sheppey
I reckon thats a good plan.... Any opinions welcome...
WW
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: LenP on May 17, 2009, 21:58:51
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The third is a Jaguar Len

Well I should have recognised that, but I don't think I've ever seen one from above before. I was on holiday in North Norfolk a couple of years ago and saw plenty of tornadoes making their way out to the ranges over the wash. I'm pretty sure I saw a Jaguar once as well, which surprised me, are the RAF still flying them?
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: doug on November 21, 2009, 19:23:51
Jaguars were finally grounded in 2006, there are two at Manston GR3. XX116 Belongs to the fire school. Jaguar GR3 XZ 106 came out of service in 2005, when the pilot was asked why it came out off service early he said it always worked when you wnted it to.
There probably a few jaguars that can taxi at Cranwell and St. Athan but non flying in Britain, anybody got any spares please contact me.
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: Monkton Malc on January 06, 2010, 23:17:02
Went over to the spitfire museum yesterday and noticed this outside the history museum...

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Not sure how long this has been there as most times that I have been past the place has been at night so never noticed it before.
The chap in the spitfire museum said it had been knocking around for some time and had been "in a bit of a state" when he last saw it in the yard...
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: Monkton Malc on February 09, 2010, 19:33:15
Some nice footage of Manston in 1956 with the USAF doing air sea rescue.

Not sure if you are allowed to smoke in the cockpit nowadays.......

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=605
Title: RAF Manston
Post by: doug on February 22, 2010, 19:32:46
For any one out there interested in aviation the RAF Manston Museum has just taken in a new exhibit, which is a T-33 trainer jet from the 1950s. a common site over east kent at that time.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: kyn on July 12, 2010, 12:10:22
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Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Robin on July 21, 2010, 21:54:17
As part of the Official party, I attended the short ceremony yesterday at Manston to commemorate the 70th Anniversary of the Battle of Britain, when the Vice Lord Lieutenant, Viscount De L'Isle laid a wreath on the memorial by the Spitfire and Hurricane Museum, a number of wreaths were also laid by local civic dignitaries.  There was an excellent turnout from the public, and the presence of 10 veterans organisation Standards added a splash of colour to the proceedings.

Robin.  
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: DoverDan on August 19, 2010, 22:36:52
Luftwaffe recon photo showing the airfield sometime shortly after a devastating trio of raids which occurred on 24th August 1940 which almost resulted in manston being completely abandoned instead it became an emergency landing ground only.
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4119/4908072655_36ee8ae210_b.jpg)
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: medwayboy on August 19, 2010, 23:00:35
Great picture Doverdan.....  Where did you get it ??  
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: DoverDan on August 19, 2010, 23:14:33
The photo is from a book called 'The Blitz then and now' volume one first edition 1987 ISBN: 0 900913 45 2.
One of the best purchases i've made recently! i got volume two as well which focuses mainly on the London blitz but just as fascinating. Now i just need to track down volume three!! :)
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Andyb on August 21, 2010, 13:45:42
Ive been told that when they renewed part of the runway in the early 70's they built tunnels
with trapdoors that come out underneath the appron so special forces were able to get under
an Aircraft without being seen.
The idea was to divert hijacked flights there.
Dont know how true it is ???

I remember Bowzells the civil engineering firm that was based in upper Walmer, Deal, done a lot of work at Manston in the 70's, I remember seeing plans on an office wall showing detailed work at Manston. They also made very large steel formers for concrete that when bolted together was easily 5m in diameter. Alas that is the extent of my memory. Bowzells also built the new sea wall in Deal.

Andy
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: doug on August 22, 2010, 19:38:58
Works to the main runway in the seventies, were if my memory is correct consisted of re-caulking the joints between the concrete, the centre strip of runway, Manston being three parallel strips, was resurfaced with tarmac for which a batching plant was built at the Minster end of the runway. The runway used for aircraft landing today is about 24 inchs thick, the outer runway strips called the north and south sterile no longer in use.
The stories about tunnels underneath the runway are more likely to relate to the runway drain which is about 2ft 6inchs in diameter and vents out into Pegwell bay,there are no reports in the MOD report of 1993 which rec
ords all works on the runway from 1943 which was the year construction of the main 28/10 runway commenced.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: medwayboy on August 22, 2010, 20:41:46
Emergency landing at Manston 8th June 1965....

http://www.bywat.co.uk/manston.html (http://www.bywat.co.uk/manston.html)
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: grandarog on August 22, 2010, 21:30:25
The reference to tunnels under the runway may well be to the underground pipes that were laid in when runways were built during WW2 to house the Bangalor Torpedoes to rip the runway up across its breadth in numerous positions down the entire length if the need arose.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: doug on August 23, 2010, 07:51:39
Bangalore torpedos are only capable of creating shallow trenching, often Moled into position,During recovery works by EOD in the 1970s, after removal of PSP layed during ww2, some demolition charges ie, Bangalore torpedos were found, none in tunnels.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Andyb on August 23, 2010, 08:20:50
Doug, what ever they were used for it was defiantly at Manston about 1975 'ish.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: seafordpete on September 20, 2010, 09:32:47
Doug, what ever they were used for it was defiantly at Manston about 1975 'ish.
Manston was one of the early stations that had FIDO installed- could the pipes and gullies relate to that? I agree with other comments a Bangalore torpedo would not have the "poke" to take up tarmac and concrete.

In the 70s an arrester net system was installed to stop aircraft in an emergency- any photos of it out there?
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: doug on September 20, 2010, 19:06:19
The arrestor system was last used in the 1990s, shortly after being used as training exercise, to snatch a Phanton jet which was being brought in for the fire school. The system was not permantely rigged for use. Yes there are photos of the last time the system was in use can be seen at the RAF Manston History Museum.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Alastair on November 19, 2010, 17:08:51
Does anyone remember seeing 3 He111's and some Me109's prior to the filming of The Battle of Britain back in the 60's? Terrific sight - all lined up by the Ramsgate Road end. They were part of the Spanish Air Force, apparently. Maybe they still are.
Alastair
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: doug on November 19, 2010, 17:26:04
The aircraft were at Manstopn for checking by the Civil Aviation Authirty before prceeding to Duxford for the Battle of Britain film. none of the aircraft are in service with the Spanish air-force,most have been scrapped, although one He 111 is being rebuilt.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: doug on November 19, 2010, 20:30:17
Vickers Virginia 500 squadron County of Kent. 
Only one so called underground hangar will show up on Google or any other recent aerial photo this will be the one in Allard Grange road,the pit is in use by a riding school, the one between this site and the main road is now completly filled in.
The other two that were on the Margate rd, ie Past the Drome garage were never completed, the one on the same side as the garage is now used by a demolition company,the fourth which was on the other side of the road never got past being a shallow trench.
There were only four hangars planned, not five as has been suggested.If you are that intereste
d check out the RAF Manston History Museum.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: doug on November 21, 2010, 18:30:34
The only railway line at Manston was the line from the new camp to the main railway line at Birchington, this was used to bring coal for the power station, petrol for aircraft, and building materials. You could travel as a passenger in the guards van, and pick up the main line service. Although it was normally quicker to travel to Margate station and pick up the main line service from there. Never any rail line at the Royal Naval Air Service Westgate Bay Site.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Mark_S on November 22, 2010, 12:05:18
As someone who has taken a great interest in the history of narrow gauge military and military support railways of Kent and South East London over the years, I am fascinated by this discussion thread. We now know why the Pentewan Railway's equipment was requsitioned, although we do as yet not know whether CANOPUS' stablemate PIONEER (which had, ironically, once been a Chattenden & Upnor locomotive) also worked at Manston. The one fact that tends to suggest that this may not have been the case is that the two locomotives were ultimately offered for disposal from different sites (PIONEER from Newbury Racecourse and CANOPUS from West Drayton) although this
is not conclusive. The general style of the 1923 Map is strongly suggestive that the line connecting Manston with the main line network was at that time still narrow gauge and would have used the 2ft. 6in. gauge equipment, the 2ft. gauge lines being used for internal constructional needs. If one examines the Drawings List in the HMRS Archive, under the 'Unidentified' section ex-Bristol Carriage & Wagon Co. Drawing No. 11026 (which would almost certainly have dated from 1918) is listed as a 2ft. 6in. gauge workmans car (known to be of covered 'toastrack' pattern). Was this the design of workmans' car used to convey the construction workers to and from Manston in 1918-1923?
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: doug on November 22, 2010, 19:03:11
Lets try and clarify the Manston railway line, ran from the new camp at Manston to a junction about two hundred yards from the station at Birchington on the up line. It was off normal gauge. The line shown on the ordance survey map is the only large scale map i have seen to show the whole course of the railway. When we built the model that is in the RAF Manston museum, we used the original works blue print for that site. At the Manston end were a selection of sideings, serving the coal yard, the power station, the unloading bays into the hangars used by the school of technical training, with a sideing also used for cleaning out the boilers.
Any other railway lines at Manston were of a short term nature, ie Narrow gauge used for dump trucks on the underground hangar sites, with some normal gauge used for moving large steam shovels etc. But as has been said before these lines were of a very temporay nature, and i really do not think any body would bother putting them on a map.The line from the camp to Birchington was inuse for 7years.  
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: doug on November 22, 2010, 19:10:34
The photographs i have of the railway line at Manston is normal gauge, we still had some of the track in position up till about 1985.
and reports on the rest of the track confirm it was normal gauge. But if you want to lose some money make a bet.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Mark_S on November 22, 2010, 22:01:03
Might "Canopus" and its 2ft. 6in. gauge stock have been used in the construction of the SG branch in a similar fashion to the way in which an 18 inch gauge construction line was used for the Longmoor system? This may have been shielded from railway historians as a consequence of the wartime situation.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Ted Ingham on December 03, 2010, 10:44:02
Just for interest,I happened to be cycling through the Airport when the Germans landed.Thought I had gone through a time warp.Then realised it was part of the making of "The Battle of Britain" film in 1969 ish.
Second time that has happened to me.I was cutting across the thresh hold when a Flying Fortress cut across.They were filming "The War Lover".Photo to follow.
Regards, Ted
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Used in the film "The War Lover" It was during the filming off Dover that one of the stunt men lost his life whilst filming a baling out sequence.His parachute failed to open.
NO.The tail didn't fall off.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: dave on December 10, 2010, 14:40:51

I am interested in the FIDO installed at Manston, fuel consumption, efficiency etc?
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: AnDy on December 10, 2010, 16:14:35

I am interested in the FIDO installed at Manston, fuel consumption, efficiency etc?

'Operating FIDO at Manston was a 24 hour task, as the fuel system was quite complicated. The fuel was pumped from 4 tanks, each of 350,000 gallons capacity, on the south side of the runway 29 (these are still standing and a presently used by Jentx Ltd)

There were 12 fuel pumps, each able to deliver 450 gallons a minute to a control point known as the valve house. From this point, the fuel was divided into three channels; one to the left of the runway, one to the right,
and one to an approach box. These "field lines" as they were known, were buried approximately three fett underground and 75 yards from the runway, so as not to cause obstruction. The lines were divided into 19 sections, 260 yards in length, each with its own vaporiser, burner and control pit. The pit operators ignited the fuel and controlled its flow to the vaporiser. When the fuel had been vaporised, it flowed back into the burner where it automatically ignited'

'To burn FIDO for one hour used 250,000 gallons of fuel at a cost of £45,000. Contaminated fuel was used to minimize expenditure, but it still cost 3 shillings and 6 pence three farthings (17p) a gallon'


Taken from 'The history of RAF Manston' 3rd Edition ISBN 0 9511298 0 5
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: doug on December 10, 2010, 17:06:35
Fido was in operation from 1944 to 1958, the fuel tanks that stored the petrol were demolished early in 2010. The only remains to the system is the pump house where the railway sideing was at sevenscore.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: unfairytale on December 10, 2010, 20:48:35
The fuel tanks at Manson.
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From the book: RAF Manston in old photographs.
ISBN 0-7509-0135-7
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: ealdwita on December 12, 2010, 20:39:46
I was fortunate enough to be stationed at Manston (1968-72) The cushiest posting ever! We had one of the married quarter bungalows (now demolished) built by the Americans and called 'Tobacco Houses'. It took several strong men (and a horse) to drag me away from there!
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: LenP on December 15, 2010, 22:19:55
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Used in the film "The War Lover" It was during the filming off Dover that one of the stunt men lost his life whilst filming a baling out sequence.His parachute failed to open.

As featured in the latest issue of 'After the Battle'.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: doug on January 01, 2011, 19:51:06
Although i think it has been recorded before on the forum, the so called underground hangars at Manston were a standard, steel frame building built in a large pit, there was never at any stage any thought of covering the building with soil. The hangars of a large size for this period were designed to take the Handley Page bombers. By the time two hangars were completed the war was coming to a close, the other two hangars were never completed. The two completed hangars were removed in the 1930s. no use of the hangar sites was made by the RAF after this period, this information is from checks carried out and progress photos from the IWM, Royal Engineers Li
brary,and The Fleet Air Arm Library.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: seafordpete on March 20, 2011, 15:23:36
manston was extended further when the USAF had it and themn maintained as a diversion field and was apparently capable of taking Concord
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: ETA on March 20, 2011, 19:42:52
Ive been told that when they renewed part of the runway in the early 70's they built tunnels
with trapdoors that come out underneath the appron so special forces were able to get under
an Aircraft without being seen.
The idea was to divert hijacked flights there.
Dont know how true it is ???

Complete fiction.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Bryn Clinch on June 19, 2011, 16:09:41
Manston today!

I used to know the names of all the WW2 aircraft when I was a lad. Is this one a Lancaster?

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Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: AnDy on June 19, 2011, 16:28:03
Manston today!

I used to know the names of all the WW2 aircraft when I was a lad. Is this one a Lancaster?

Sure is, PA474.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: doug on July 14, 2011, 22:21:50
The Battle of Britain Memorial flight, is commanded by Squadron Leader Ian Smith, the Jaguar at the RAF Manston Museum was also flown by him.
The Memorial flight will do a fly past on the 14th August, The Red Arrows will also be at Manston, with a display by the Spirit of Kent Spitfire,at the same time a motor bike convoy for the Afghan Heroes fund will travel from Ebbsfleet will arrive at Manston ABout 11.00 am.[ Last year that was about 1100 bikes]
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Bryn Clinch on September 19, 2011, 19:09:12
Does anyone know what`s beneath this mound, if anything at all, at Spitfire Way?

(http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff426/bryn2/Manston.jpg)
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: doug on September 19, 2011, 19:22:15
Nothing, it also keeps cars on the road.
Title: Manston
Post by: Trikeman on March 07, 2015, 19:27:15
Manston Vandalism Jan 2015

Take a look at the Aeronautical carnage taking place at the former Battle of Britain airfield of Manston.
This is all that's left of a once mighty Boeing 747, which would have cost its original owners around $40million in the mid 1970's - now reduced to a pile of shredded aluminium. They also did this on the immaculate tarmac parking area right in front of the terminal - as if the original act vandalism wasn't enough! The DC8 is obviously next and will be the last of all the large airliners that have been a familiar sight at Manston for the last 20 years. So much is the haste to clear the site ready for development.
The landing light disappeared just a few weeks after the airfield officially closed
As the song goes: 'West Malling no more, Hawkinge no more, Lympne no more, Manston no more'
Trikeman
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Trikeman on March 07, 2015, 21:15:31
Manston Defence Fire Training and Development Centre

Meanwhile on the other side of the airfield - at the Manston Defence Fire Training and Development Centre - they are not shredding but burning the pride of the British Aircraft Industry - albeit for a far more worthy cause.
See how many aircraft hulks you can spot: Phantoms, Tornados, Jaguars, Harriers, Dominies plus numerous helicopters a Buccaneer and a Nimrod. It's enough to make an aircraft spotter weep!
Trikeman
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: peterchall on March 07, 2015, 21:27:53
I regret that I have difficulty in keeping up with the news nowadays. Has a final decision been made as to Manstonís future?
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: mmitch on March 08, 2015, 10:49:45
The saga drags on. Plenty of mud slinging between the parties. Meanwhile the airfield has been asset stripped. The Government has promised a 'review' but that looks like after the election. The developers want to build houses but not schools, surgeries etc.
The new SAR base which should have been built by now looks like it is going to Lydd.
mmitch.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: doug on March 08, 2015, 16:15:19
RAF Manston history museum took delivery of Lightning XR 770 on Tuesday 3rd March.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: mmitch on March 09, 2015, 10:14:51
Let us know when the bits are joined back together Doug and I'll make the
trip down there to see it.  :)
mmitch.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Trikeman on January 06, 2016, 22:18:43
There has hardly been a mention of the lorry park at Manston, yet I took theses pics in October. All beautifuly marked out with portaloos strategically placed. A prize for anyone who can count the squares and estimate the number of Artics they will be able to take. Pity the poor Thanet way when they try and shift that lot!
Trikeman
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Ted Ingham on April 11, 2016, 15:24:52
I came across some coloured slides in the archives taken at Manston in 1968 during the filming of the "Battle of Britain".In the background on two of the photographs can be seen an Invicta Airways and Air Ferry plane.

Ted
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: doug on May 05, 2016, 19:08:49
On the 28th May the two museums at Manston will celebrate the 100 years of Aviation at the airfield the event starts at 10.00 and ends at 1600 hours.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Trikeman on May 01, 2017, 10:32:05
Fire Training School

Latest picture of all aircraft taken 4.17
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: ChampChump on May 03, 2017, 00:27:01
There has hardly been a mention of the lorry park at Manston, yet I took theses pics in October. All beautifuly marked out with portaloos strategically placed. A prize for anyone who can count the squares and estimate the number of Artics they will be able to take. Pity the poor Thanet way when they try and shift that lot!
Trikeman

Funny you should say that (ok, I'm a little late to the party).  I took a very similar photo around the same time and calculated that there were in excess of about 3000+ spots there.  Curiously, since that expensive paint job, it's been used precisely - never.  I think they've removed the portaloos.
Title: Manston dereliction
Post by: Trikeman on November 08, 2017, 11:33:40
Hard to imagine B747's or American bombers screaming down the runway now, or the terminal thronging with passengers
Still, I'm sure they will all be remembered in the street names!
Trikeman
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: grandarog on November 08, 2017, 18:09:18
Great Photo as usual Trikeman.
 Wonder how much it cost to mark out the runway for operation stack use.
Don't think it has ever been used or needed.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: mikeb on November 08, 2017, 18:20:56
Could Manston be the new proposed customs clearance point post Brexit?

At least that would mean the white paint wasn't wasted!
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: filmer01 on November 08, 2017, 18:36:34
It was probably just Banksy...
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: grandarog on November 08, 2017, 19:55:37
I stopped wondering how much it cost and did a look up on Google . Shocked to say the least .
Quote "The cost of keeping the former Manston airport on standby as an emergency lorry park for Operation Stack has cost the taxpayer at least £3.5 million, we can reveal.

The Department for Transport has paid the owners of the 800-acre site £3.539m to prepare and maintain the site in the event of Operation Stack being implemented.

It has stood idle since being placed on standby last September but is continuing to cost hundreds of thousands of pounds in case it is needed."

Source Kent on Line 26 Oct 2016.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Sentinel S4 on November 08, 2017, 22:11:21
I forget the number of times I have been loaded on the apron in front of the Terminal. We were loaded direct from a 747, Luxair or MKM, into the back of our lorries. There were normally 10 or 15 of us for the one aircraft. One day whilst we were there the BoB Memorial Flight landed and parked away from us on the apron but we still managed a tour of all three planes, the crews were magnificent but refused to show us how to start them. The excuse was that we would nick the plane as all truck Drivers are thieving b'stards. Turned out the Spitfire Pilot`s brother was a truck Driver.... Hey Ho! I could have used that Lanc. to do a few drops, I had to drive from Manston to The Hague so it would have saved me a bit of time..........

They were happy times. That place should be taking the Air Freight away from Heathrow and that way they would not need another damn runway. Must now get off the soap box like a good S4....

S4.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Mickleburgh on November 09, 2017, 08:30:13
Could Manston be the new proposed customs clearance point post Brexit?

That might be seen as a distinct possibility if it were not too much like advanced pre-planning thinking for the present bunch of negotiators to be capable of.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Nemo on November 09, 2017, 10:37:04
mikeb: at the risk of straying (albeit factually) into current affairs, the short answer to your question is "yes, but".  The two principal buts are: it's commercially in the wrong place for Dover Straits traffic and how would you get the traffic to/from Dover and Cheriton from a statutory/"Customs" point of view - and, indeed, from a social/H&S one.  It's not current government policy to mandate future UK "Customs" import or export clearance to be at a single physical location per 'route'; however, Manston is evidentially an asset that the state already has, as opposed to one that it might acquire or construct.

Mickleburgh: "Customs" clearance per se is not part of the UK/EU27 negotiations.  In large part, the UK will have scope to shape its future inbound and outbound processes, although I understand that government policy is for them to be conformant with the Union Customs Code (UCC).  Customs processes are largely an EU competence, not an individual Member State one, so the French definitely will have to comply with the UCC.  It is their inbound processes (on our outbound traffic) that could well trigger Operation Stack, to which the current answer is "send the trucks to Manston".  As Sentinel S4 may well recall, there are two mechanisms for getting road haulage across borders and 'playing Customs' later, eg. inland at the likes of Lenham ICD, or at destination in Eire and so on.  These are: Common Transit and TIR - neither being an EU institution.  The UK is currently covered by each, but the snag is, only by virtue of being a part of the EU, which is the "club member" of the mechanisms.  The UK could apply to (re-)join the mechanisms in its own right, eg. Serbia, Turkey and the EFTA states are members of CT and basically everyone's a member of TIR, but I am unaware that it has done so yet.

I say "Customs" because clearance is not just about collecting statistics, collecting/securing any duties and taxes, and handing out any refunds - there is a whole raft of non-fiscal controls that the EU and the UK apply to goods to/from anyone who isn't in the EU.  Plant health controls can usually be done inland, but controls on "meat/animal products" (the scope of which is surprisingly wide) typically take place at the border - ouch!  These non-fiscal controls are probably proper to the Brussels negotiations, but I haven't heard a dicky-bird about them.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: JohnWalker on November 09, 2017, 10:46:37
A company name Riveroak (UK) are in the process of a Development Consent Order (DCO) to return Manston to a working airport.  The main plan is for it to be a freight hub with commercial flights later.

Public Consultation has already taken place.

If the DCO is approved, I understand it overrides all other consents including compulsory purchase etc.  Another company want to turn it into a vast housing estate to cater for overspill housing.

So, we might still see planes flying out of Manston in the future.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Mickleburgh on November 09, 2017, 12:17:42
A company name Riveroak (UK) are in the process of a Development Consent Order (DCO) to return Manston to a working airport.  The main plan is for it to be a freight hub with commercial flights later.

Public Consultation has already taken place.

If the DCO is approved, I understand it overrides all other consents including compulsory purchase etc.  Another company want to turn it into a vast housing estate to cater for overspill housing.

So, we might still see planes flying out of Manston in the future.

Let us hope so as the failure to recognise the potential of Manston as an airport has been quite astonishing. However, there are many pitfalls all round. Another venture is to re-introduce accompanied freight traffic Ramsgate-Ostend, starting next March, No one, in a world wide trawl, has been able to find available the three suitable ro-ro vessels required.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Sentinel S4 on November 09, 2017, 21:30:29
In my limited experience I noted that around 40% of airfreight coming into Heathrow, Gatwick, Stanstead, Luton and formerly Manston was put on trucks headed for Cheriton and Dover. Strange as this sounds we (the UK) seem to be quite a clearing house for airfreight. One of my favorite runs was Manston to The Hauge with cut flowers. This was under a time pressure and I had eight hours from being loaded to delivery point. If all went well then I could do it in around 4 or 4 1/4 hours via the tunnel. However when thing went wrong... The return load was always from Oostende Airport and it would take a 10 hour drive to get from Manston to Oostende via The Hauge, legal I might add as we could do an extension twice a fortnight. Dealing with the CMR forms and customs could be fun at times (free roaming with freight? That would be nice), certain products are moved around the EU quite freely, however if you have to stop at a border then expect to be inspected, Germany has a differing road taxation system from the rest of Europe, at Cheriton you have to get the lorry taxed for France, the low Countries etc, excepting Gemany of course. Then there are random checks (always to Brit registered vehicles of course) at Cheriton you have to clear the Brit scanner then the French scanner (like anyone ever wants to become an illegal migrant there from the UK). If the tunnel is not running then pray you can get on one of the DFDS boats to Dunkerque as they do the vignette (road tax) on the ferry (plus the food is good and the showers are spotless and with five bars you can get plenty of duty free fags (not that I smoke anymore)). However if Calais is your port then you have to shoot around to Gasoline Alley and get your vignette in the big truckstop there. Trust me at times 8 hrs was pushing it, remember also that the speed limit in the Netherlands is 85kph (around 48mph), unlike Belgium and France where it is 90kph......

Do I miss it? Do I hell! The inherent racism from the French customs (I took to flying a Welsh flag on my bunk and was better looked after after that) at the ports, the constant tugs from the Douanes and Gendarmes (for nothing more than being Brit) for constantly using the same stretches of road day in day out when there were blatant infringements being committed all around you by the former Iron Curtain Countries. The so called 'free market movement' might exist but not for the UK or its haulage Industry.

Manston really needs to be developed as a freight hub. There are very good road links to the rest of the UK and the Continent even a rail link could easily be put in if required. I have sever doubts that Manston could ever be a viable passenger hub, too remote from a major center of population (London (however a rail link could help matters there)) but for freight it is ideal. It also has the advantage that it is still set up for freight....

S4......
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: JohnWalker on November 09, 2017, 23:52:20
KLM say they would like to re-instate the link to the Amsterdam air hub if Manston gets the go ahead..  From there - the World ...
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: CAT on November 10, 2017, 08:13:07
Would the 322m tall communication mast proposed for the former Richborough power station site have any influence on any surrounding flight paths? I was told by a friend, who owns a small aircraft, that if it gets built it would further blight any possibility of aircraft using the Manston airfield?
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Mickleburgh on November 10, 2017, 11:31:13
The ability to land the largest aircraft is an overlooked factor as regards Manston - don`t assume every large, busy commercial airport can accommodate a `Jumbo` or A380, few can.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: mmitch on November 11, 2017, 07:58:35
And regular Ant 124s, sometimes a 44tonner would back right inside for loading. :)
I remember those 'Flowers from Africa' flights. Usually two A300s landed on Monday lunch times, first truck out the gate within an hour.
mmitch.
Title: Re: RAF Manston
Post by: Sentinel S4 on November 12, 2017, 20:18:34
We had a lot of vegetables. Baby Sweetcorn, peas, etc. The stuff you will find in the 75p -£1 packets in the super markets. Most went to Stevenage for Asda, M&S, Sainsburys and Morrisons. I believe that the majority is still coming in via 747's and HGV's from Liege, Oostende, Luxembourg, Schipol, Brussels (I ain't trying the proper spelling there) and (deep breath) Maastricht (phew dund it). We did not often do that many flowers, I was the only one who did the Hauge run on a regular basis. The lads from another company got the flowers and they ran to Zwetloots at Sandy (A1 near Bedford, 1st left past the adult toy shop...) or out to Spalding. One other minor point was that a lot of the boxes were badly damaged and the veg would spill out, never were the flower boxes damaged (strange that, I was never responsible for any damage), anyway believe me we all had out 'five a day' before it was even a thing...

S4.