Industry => General Industry => Topic started by: numanfan on September 21, 2010, 11:15:57

Title: Chatham Intra
Post by: numanfan on September 21, 2010, 11:15:57
I had a wander of an area of the Medway Towns that doesn't appear to of been covered before on the KHF ? the riverfront of the old Chatham Intra.  I've driven passed it many, many times (the High Street's of Rochester into Chatham) but never really looked down towards the river.  Yesterday, on foot, I did, and this is what I found.
I'll break it into sections, lots of photos to add.
Referring to this 1907 map of the area, I started at what is shown as ?Boatbuilding Yard?, on the left.
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/ChathamIntra1907-1.jpg)

This was originally Doust's, and is now land owned by the University of Creative Arts. Apartments have been built for students, but there are still reminders of it?s former past.
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2103.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2104.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2107.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2114.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2109.jpg)


(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2112.jpg)
Possible remains of the slipway?
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2111.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2108.jpg)

The red-doored building is Doust House
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2118.jpg)

The next access from the High Street is Foundry Wharf (which isn't marked on the 1907 map!)
Located between a restaurant & a barbers
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2136.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2135.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2132.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2134.jpg)

I believe this whole area is still owned by the Featherstone group, as the red sign above the car is a parking restriction on behalf of them. The same sign is present behind all the other buildings along this stretch of land.
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2133.jpg)

More to follow....

Title: Re: Chatham Intra
Post by: numanfan on September 21, 2010, 23:34:54
(Part 2)

Next we have Cook's Wharf, alongside a sadly neglected Art-Deco building
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2138.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2140.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2139.jpg)

Then we are at Ship Lane, which still allows access to Ship Pier
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2142.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2143.jpg)

This building appears to be the back of the Lion Brewery, which can be seen in Part 3.
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2144.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2145.jpg)

Ship Pier
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2147.jpg)

Looking back towards Doust Way
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2152.jpg)

Looking towards Commodore Wharf
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2156.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2158.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2157.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2159.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2161.jpg)

Last part on it's way....
Title: Re: Chatham Intra
Post by: numanfan on September 22, 2010, 00:43:52
(Part 3)

After leaving Ship Lane, we soon arrive at Hulkes Lane which houses the old Lion Brewery. This, and  a couple of other lanes, appear  to lead onto what was Commodore Wharf.
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2168.jpg)

Note the Featherstones parking sign again, extreme left.
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2171.jpg)

Un-named Lanes, leading down to the river. Many varied buildings behind the shops that used to be Featherstones. Spot the no parking signs!
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2175.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2174.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2176.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2177.jpg)

Can't make out the writing on the wall
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2184.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2188.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2183.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2186.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2185.jpg)


Not all the lanes are open to the public, and I've had to consult the Kelly's Directory to get the names for some of them.
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: Lyn L on September 22, 2010, 14:20:37
Thanks for the great pics numanfan and the time you put in finding these hidden places. I've lived in Rochester since 1966 even worked in Featherstones shop (Hulkes Lane boarded up one) and have never been down any of those lanes.
Title: Re: Chatham Intra
Post by: numanfan on September 23, 2010, 09:02:00
Thanks for the comments.
I'll hunt around to see if I've any photos of the area when the River Medway had a thriving industry. It'll be nice to compare it.
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: sharmuk on September 23, 2010, 18:55:22
Great photos and write up. Thanks!

I'm sure in the late 70s the white timber fronted building in pictures 100_2174 and 100_2175 (under the brewery close-up shot) housed the schools career service as I can remember having to go there for an interview. It was little more than a rubber stamp exercise and I must have been in and out in less than 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: patmore on September 25, 2010, 15:10:23
I wonder why this area of Chatham should have been given the suffix 'Intra' meaning 'within' when one considers its position at the edge of the town, or is this itself the reason?
                                          James
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: Leofwine on September 25, 2010, 15:30:46
Maybe it was called that because it was land that fell within the jurisdiction of Chatham although it was not considered part of Chatham town in earlier times?
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: Medway Buoy on September 26, 2010, 12:12:49
Great pics numanfan. It was just like walking down memory lane, I worked in that area for thirty years up to 1990. I have a pic of Doust Shipyard taken from the river,I will dig it out.
Up until the 1950s the section of high street you are covering had all the shops required to cater for a families needs instead of going into town, not much choice though. Thought I would just pop that in.

Riverman
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: Medway Buoy on September 26, 2010, 19:44:49
Here is the only photograph of Dousts Shipyard taken from the river that
I could find.

The photo was taken in 1982 and it was only a few years later that
Dousts Shipyard closed. Right up to the day it closed, walking round
Doust's yard was like being in a time warp taking you back 50 to 60
years everything was so old and out of date.

I have given the rough location of numanfan's photo's on my picture.

The "slipway" referred to below is the slip with the grey ship on, the
other slip was not working and had been out of action for some time.


(http://www.riverman.gotdns.com/webpics/doust_1.jpg)

numanfan's
Photograph 1 = To the right of the grey ships bow on the slip.

Photograph 2 =

Photograph 3 = Looking down where the the slipway would have been.

Photograph 4 = Looking across from the top of the slipway to what
               was Stanley's Wharf.

Photograph 5 = Looking down to the lower limit of the slipway.

Photograph 6 = The top of the slipway.

Photograph 7 = Storm drain outfall.

Photograph 8 = Looking across to the corner of Foundry Wharf.
               (Where the tug is laying)

Photograph 9 = The railings to the right of Doust House is where
               the original main entrance to the shipyard was.

Riverman
Title: Re: Chatham Intra
Post by: numanfan on September 27, 2010, 18:25:46
Thanks for the photo, Medway Buoy, and the explanation of the locations of my photos.
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: Leofwine on October 13, 2010, 22:25:18
The same area in 1932
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/5079524978_11f57c728a_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: Leofwine on October 20, 2010, 01:47:56
I found this interesting description on http://www.medwaypilots.co.uk/

Chatham Intra.
 "Into Rochester or Chatham ..... Because if anybody knows to a nicety where Rochester ends and Chatham begins is more than I do". This statement by Charles Dickens in his book "Seven Poor Travellers" covers an area of no mans land between Chatham and Rochester known as "Chatham Intra". People living in this area, usually riverfolk, paid rates to either Rochester or Chatham. It has no parish church and so church allegiances were divided between St. Marys Church, Chatham or St Nicholas's Church, Rochester. Ship Pier and Doust's Yard both belonged to this area. Doust's Yard was originally owned by William George Gill, who?s once grand residence has a slipway in front of it, known as Gills Lower Yard. Many barges and yachts were built at this yard including several paddle steamers. The company also owned a site in Bridge Reach, known as the upper Yard. Gill's became the founders of the London and Rochester Trading Company, whose barges were a common feature on the River Medway. Another slipway was built next to Gill's and became Doust's Yard. This company operated from Old Foundry Wharf and remained in Rochester for over fifty years until it closed in the 1980's. Old Foundry Wharf was also occupied by Wm. Kimmins, cornfactor, and S. Bullard, sail maker and brewers agent. Old Foundry Wharf buildings are still in position however, in the aid of progress, the buildings of Dousts Yard have been demolished recently to make way for a car park.
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: smiffy on October 20, 2010, 23:04:35
One thing that hardly ever gets a mention concerning Chatham Intra is Chatham Central station, which wasn't actually in Chatham and was hardly what you might call central. This unnecessary extension was built at vast expense by the South Eastern Railway during the 1880's and 1890's. Needless to say, it wasn't a success and closed in 1911 after barely twenty years of use. This must go down as one of the most costly miscalculations in railway history.

As well as two new stations (Rochester Common being the other one), swathes of new viaduct were constructed, houses, businesses and streets swept away and a new bridge built across the Medway. This is perhaps the only positive thing to come out of it, as this bridge is still currently in use. Nothing else remains apart from a short length of the original viaduct either side which connects the bridge to the current rail system. Although it must have been well reported at the time and the station buildings must surely have been recorded, there is virtually nothing in the visual archives, this being the only known surviving photograph.
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: smiffy on October 21, 2010, 18:33:13

Tell a lie, there is another photo but it's practically identical to the one shown.......

Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: Stewie on October 21, 2010, 21:27:41
Considering the station was built on a wooden viaduct (so I believe) it looks quite a substantial structure. I can remember the lower portion of a front wall of a building in Rochester High Street just Chatham side of the exisiting Railway Viaduct which I was told was all that remained of the station masters house. 
This wall was removed when the area of land was converted into a car park and I believe prior to this there was a scrap yard here.
I have searched for pictures of this terminus but I have the same two postcard as yourself from the 'Lens of Sutton' collection.
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: smiffy on October 21, 2010, 22:50:01

I'd wondered if the station was elevated as it seemed to me that the gradient would be a bit steep for it to be at ground level. It's hard to believe there are no more photos as railways have always been a popular subject.
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: smiffy on October 21, 2010, 23:10:13
This is the closest I can get to Chatham Central station during the right period. The Station buildings would be just out of shot to the right.
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: Stewie on October 22, 2010, 08:24:02
That is an intersting picture because the wall that used to front the area where the car park is now looks to have belonged to the building in the right hand of the picture. The doorways and window voids had been bricked up by this time and only about two thirds of the first story remained.
I think the branch line ran on a viaduct or wooden trestle because it had to pass over the goods yard between the river and the LC&DR main line. Seem to recall another thread on this site discussing the church and chalk pits at Frinsbury having an old photo taken from the castle and giving a panaramic view of Rochester showing this line.
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: rochester1 on January 30, 2012, 11:35:29
Stewie. I realise this is an old site now but i've only just discovered it. I find your comments more than interesting. I was apprenticed at JH Durrant on St Margarets Banks and we used to do a lot of the local building works. i recall working on Pickfords depot which was almost exactly where the low wall is shown on the picture. On the roof of the workshop were very large timbers and I was told at the time ((1952) that they were part of the structure of the Chatham/Dover Rail system. So you are right I believe.
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: Rochester-bred on January 30, 2012, 13:46:26
numanfan, What great pictures as a child I lived near Adlards wharf in Bardell terrace and often used to go further along the high street near many of the places you showed ,was lovely seeing the places now  :)
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: chippy1 on January 30, 2012, 17:39:10
Remember it well , on the way back from chatham going towards rochester,there was a dodgy public toilet, just where the railings jut out, also opposite was a car breakers yard ,where i took many of my old cars.And on the wall was the infamous graffiti "BEWARE OF THE MINDREADER". I reckon the photo was taken from the Hare and Hounds.
Title: Re: Chatham Intra (Part 1)
Post by: History Man on June 21, 2012, 17:13:12
The same area in 1932

Hi there. I am researching family history and can you tell me the names of any shipbuilding companies or yards between Sun Pier and Ship pier in the 1970's. This map is very useful.Thank you.
Title: Re: Chatham Intra
Post by: kyn on June 21, 2012, 17:52:53
Information on these companies should be added to their own threads and not added here if anyone has any information to share.
Title: Re: Chatham Intra
Post by: numanfan on July 13, 2012, 00:03:52
Rambo & myself went for a stroll in this area again, to see if we could find out some more about the various buildings that are hidden from view.

Behind this row of ex-Featherstones shops, is Central Wharf
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_2190.jpg)

We were fortunate enough to find a local guide to tell us about the area. The row of weather-boarded properties are Georgian
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_9701.jpg)

Leofwine's 1932 map of the area shows a jetty next to Central Wharf, and this building was owned by the Medway Steam Packet Company, who ran regular trips on the river on their paddle steamers. This was possibly the ticket office.
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_9704.jpg)

The river front
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_9706.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_9708.jpg)

(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_9709.jpg)

Possibly remains of the jetty in the foreground?
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_9711.jpg)

And this was originally a sail loft.
(http://i727.photobucket.com/albums/ww272/numanfan/100_9705.jpg)

 
We only managed to 'do' this wharf, as we had unexpectedly & pleasantly spent time in the Sir John Hawkins Hospital (but as that is just outside Chatham Intra it will be on a different thread :))

By the way, our guide was the very helpful grandson of Mr. Featherstone. Although the shops have long gone, virtually the whole area is still owned by the family.

Title: Re: Chatham Intra
Post by: smiffy on March 30, 2013, 18:29:26
Another long gone building from Chatham Intra - the premises of J H J Johnson, saddlers and harness makers. This was on the corner of Hulkes lane.