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Title: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on November 09, 2010, 09:42:15
TEACHING AT THE 'TECH'.
(1962 TO 1970)


While  employed as  a Work Study Engineer  at Pilkington Brothers at Queenborough for five years and teaching Technical Drawing and Mathematics  in the Evening Classes at the Tech  the Headmaster  Mr.Barnet came into my classroom to ask me if I was interested in becoming a full time teacher. There was a vacancy and the Head thought I would enjoy full time teaching
After discussing this with my wife and thinking very hard about this for a week or two I agreed .
 The Head  said that he would advertise   in the Times Educational Supplement and I was to apply. Two weeks later he came into my classroom very disappointed and said "You did not apply then?"
I replied that  I didn't see the advert so he grabbed my arm ,took me to his office ,sat me in his chair opened up the paper at the advert which said ?"Teacher wanted at Sheerness  Technical School with experience of Bridge Building, Aeronautical  Engineering and Shipbuilding on the basic teaching salary scale" I laughed and said I can't do any of those? he laughed and said probably no one else can  either . Needless to say I was the only applicant to apply and I was appointed.

The other Teachers were Mr.Kitcatt ,  Jim Hutley ,  Charles Duddle , Bill Ralph ,Tony Cleneghan , Les Bryant , Alan Sayer , Chris Sears , L.G. (Algy) Welland , Arthur Castle , John Mullett , Trevor Costain , John Bertram , Owen Ryder , Brian Palmer  (1year later), John Thompson , L .Lisgarden , and Jake Jackson.
Very soon I was supervising  various after-school  activities , the Stamp Club ,the Coin Club, the Astronmy Club  and the Photograhic Club (I was the unofficial photographer  for the Engineers on the P & O  liners at our parties) and the Astromony Club. Mr Barnett was very pleased  with the lads who would always put on a very good show at Parents evening.

Brian Palmer was in charge of the Scouts and one day he asked me to help with the Duke of Edinburgh's Award Scheme he was running over the weekend .It was at Brighton and Brian would give the team the co-ordinates in the morning, they were  to hike and  meet us (always near a pub !) early  in  the evening where we would be waiting after eating a very sumptuous Pub  meal . We would also have random spot checks on them during the day . They would cook all  their food and we had to test and sample this  food also  but our meal with them  was always cooked under  very  strict supervision of course . One of the days we  arranged a meet at the top of Devils Dyke and when we arrived at the top we heard very loud music and saw this fairground  hurdy gurdy with ladies in  very highly coloured  Victorian dresses on the horses going round and round and up and down  it was a very unexpected and very pretty sight ,-we were in the middle of the filming of 'Oh! What a lovely war' we watched this for some time and then over the brow of the hill appeared our boys. The director shouted out "Stop filming" and they all tried to move the boys out of range of the cameras ,but as we waved to the boys to move out the way ,they thought we were waving and so just waved back and continued walking. I saw the film later but our boys had been edited out .(large grin!)

I was  originally employed to teach Metalwork ,Woodwork and Technical Drawing and the only compulsory subject for all teachers- Religious  Knowledge- but after one year I  was moved to the Mathematics Department. When Mr. Barnett joined the school he had instructed the Deputy Head to enter all the 'A' form and some of the 'B' form ,a total of 40 to 50 boys for the 'O' level examinations instead of the usual ten or so each year just from the  'A'  class which meant a lot of extra work for all the teachers and a lot of moans and groans  from them . The previous Head - he had been  a very good head - (as he seldom left his office to visit the classrooms or  the teachers  ) but over the years eventually all the staff worked with Mr. Barnett  and the results were very good.  A  goodly number of Sittingbourne parents sent their children to the Tech. and we sent a lot of boys to University ,many obtaining their Doctrate . I always remember   Keith Prettyjohn whose father was a local dustman and how proud he was when his son went to Imperial College and became Doctor of Science., Keith was  also was an amateur radio enthusiast- another little class I started. I used his computer work as an example of what could be done by schools  when I travelled the University Circuit with Mr.Esterson  the Head of Computing at Medway College .he would talk to audiences about what his College had to offer to Schools ,and I would  talk and show how the Kent Schools could and did  use the service.

 Many old pupils still remember the rivalry between Borden Grammar School (B.G.S. or Baby Girls School as we knew it  ) and the Tech , especially at Queenborough Railway Station when the two trains were side by side for a few minutes .War was declared and hats, homework and satchels  were used as weapons against the other school leaning out of the carriage windows ,Homework  and hats were  often lost on the railway tracks,  but it was used as an acceptable excuse by most of the teachers.

When the Island Schools were going comprehensive in 1970 I suggested to Mr.Barnett  in 1969  that the sixth form  girls from the Girls Tech should join us for their A level mathematics to enable me to coordinate their studies and to enable me to teach them together as  they would  soon be in the same class at Sheppey Comprehensive  Mr. Barnett spluttered, and he could splutter!!  and said NO !!. he later relented , thinking of the girls education,  but he  said he did not want  that Mrs. Greystone the girls  Headmistress anywhere near his school (they did not appreciate each others company) but I could teach them in a section of the old Broadway School which was the Tech's annexe. After the initial showing off and giggles they all settled down very well and so that  when we started at the Comprehensive  school in mixed classes there were no embarrassing moments as they were all friends together and  helping each other with their homework.

Mr.Barnett saw me one day and asked if I would take young Shoesmith under my wing and teach him Astronomy to O level , when I queried this as  I didn't  know any Astronomy the Headmaster said "You were in the Merchant Service ,weren't you" so who could refuse . I thought  perhaps other lads might be interested and we formed a little class of ten after school.
I kept one or two lessons in front of the boys who worked very hard and therefore most passed the O level examination .We had a magazine ,in colour, which we all contributed to  and the schools office would print the pages for us . Shoesmith's  father often took him to America to see the space craft take off  etc and later he had a  weekly spot on Radio Kent were he was very proud of talking about spaceflight and the planets etc.
I also took a small after school class for Navigation keeping one lesson ahead of the lads. ( Well ,you were in the Merchant Service  weren't you  - I was an Engineer  on the liners - same thing  said the  Head .)

Brian Martin and Jonathan Fryer were members of the Stamp club and were very enthusiastic .They both joined the Postmark Club of Great Britain ,a very select  group of stamp collectors of a  limited number and they  formed their own Company selling Postmarks , I was one of the Directors  just to fill up the letter head on their notepaper and in  name only , I was not involved in the running of the Company .
One evening I introduced these two  16 year old lads to  the Sittingbourne Philatelic Society much to the amazement of two of the  members who had actually dealt with the lad's Company and purchased some of their Postmarks. They were amazed that they had  been dealing with school boys.
Mr.Alfred T  Sears the Chairman of the Governers  was always pleased to help the clubs ,always  giving us stamps and coins to share out  and he was a regular attender to our meetings after school and almost  every Parents Evening he would help with the setting up of the classroom exhibitions.
The boys really appreciated  his interest ,he was like a dad to them all.

The  photographic dark room was a little room built in a corner of a classroom.  I asked one of the lads to write to Kodak and to Ilfords and  from them we had a continuous supply of free photographic paper and chemicals  which we tested   for them .These  Companies  were very helpful to the school.
The camera club was a great success and at least   one boy took it up professionally
Brian Palmer , Les Bryant and company built a sailing dingy and all of the school turned out to watch the launch  on the sea by the Sea View Hotel  with the Headmaster Mr.Barnett conducting the school band as it played 'For those in peril on the sea' (Was that the tune played as the Titanic went down  we all asked ourselves ???)
When the Tech  finally closed ,( and we tried so hard to keep it open ) we  suggested that it be converted into a Museum for  Sheppey, or  a Teachers Training Centre, or  a yachting centre for Kent Teachers ,  or a 6th form college, or a centre for disadvantaged children , and many other ideas were suggested but those on high were intent on attempting to removing it from the memory of the Sheppey people.

AND SO IT WAS !!!!!!

I collected all the text books in the school and sent them to the dump . I dismantled the apparatus in the 6th form room ,the old Gas Engine ,the Tensile Testing machine and all the other bits and  pieces and packed  them up and sent them to various other Technical Colleges.
I gave the Theodilite to one of the teachers , a very heavy Victorian brass instrument  in a large ornamental box  , a real old piece of art. (I also taught a few classes fundamental surveying , I was in the  Merchant Service you know !!)
 I had all the Evening Class records , these were useful when people would write to the new school asking for confirmation of certificates received and attendance records of years ago.
I sent all the photographic apparatus to Danley School rather than throw it away as  was suggested .
I had a letter from Australia from the man who carved those lovely Invicta horses  on each side of the inside doors .He had heard about the shameful treatment of his old school  and wanted at least a photo of the carved  horses and he was very pleased to receive full size photos  of them from our Photographic club.  .He wrote and said tears came in his eyes as he looked at the carvings.
Many pieces of  the Old Tech were salvaged by old tech boys ,a brick here, a gate there , a chair here, a desk there, some old books before they reached the dump. etc.  The honours board was saved and is now in Sheppey Gatehouse.
During the  year one  of the chores of the teaching staff was  to help the sports master on Saturdays by sharing  his workload and taking charge of two sports fixtures  during the year.
During the summer cricket season we would  have to umpire ( or is it referee ?!!) a cricket match and as I had little knowledge of  the silly game I would always opt to cover two two football matches.This meant taking the Tech  teams to the away games.
I made a quick study of the past weather and picked the 1st an d 3rd week in February as  it nearly always snowed on those dates and the so my matches were always cancelled.

(One day surely  they must bring back a Tech school and its ethos.)
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on December 01, 2010, 19:46:17
When I started teaching in 1962 I was told that the childens reports must be written with fountain pens and not biros which we all used during the day.
When I queried this with the  rather elderly deputy head his reply was " When I started teaching we were told that we had to write the childrens reports using quill pens and not those new fangled biros "

Times change !!!!!!
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: conan on December 04, 2010, 11:59:13
I was a pupil at the Tech from from 63 to 69 and remember most of the teachers well.Jim Hutley was deputy head and taught geography,Les Bryant was woodwork,Algy taught music and art,John[Monkey]Bertram was P.E.[later replaced by a young chap called Terry Spice who also became involved with the scouts],Owen[Jack]Ryder was tech drawing,what Brian Palmer taught I can't remember but he was a damn fine scout leader,Jake[Biffo]Jackson taught history and was also Very involved in the scouts.I also remember a Mr Beatty who taught English.The incident on the Devils Dyke brought back memories as I was one of the lads involved ,it was the Duke of Edinborugh silver award 50 mile hike over 3 days with 2 nights under canvas.I passed the award but never actually received it.I went on 2 summer camps with the scouts one to the New Forest and one to North Wales where we climbed Tryfan as well as completing the Snowdon Horseshoe.I became a patrol leader of the panther patrol,I remember the troop leader was a lovely chap by the name of Albert Port.
I was one of 2 pupils who took elementary surveying O level{the other I believe was Bob Higgins} and remember the brass theodolite,we used it to find how far off shore the Richard Montgomery was.I must admit to playing truant rather a lot and spending to much time in the Seaview cafe and I think I only ever did the dread cross country run up to the end if the 2nd year.One perk of being a scout was being sent up to the sports field most Monday mornings to bring back the the crockery and empty drinks containers left over from the Saturday match[football or cricket]and sweep the changing room out,this could be spun out most of the morning.
  I remember being part of a group of scouts who canoed round the Island and rescuing the safety boat when it ran aground of off Leysdown and landing on Dead Mans Island also the tremendous currents of off Garrison point certainly not one for the faint hearted.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: colin haggart on December 04, 2010, 21:38:00
Hello CDP, These names on your post I remember, but not from being  at the Tech. School.

When I was at Sir Thomas Cheney Middle School, Mr. Johnathan Fryer was teaching french, I also remember he had or maybe still has something to do with Minster Gatehouse.

Owen Ryder was a maths teacher at the same school, I remember him, he also tought maths at the Tech school, one of his pupils i've been told was Rod Hull.

I think that Jim Hutley became head of te Sixth Form at the Sheppey School. I remember a Mr. Hutley there when I was in the sixth form, cannot remember his first name, mind you, there cannot be too many people by the name of Hutley.

Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: conan on December 06, 2010, 23:33:57
Regarding the 9th Sheppey Scouts{Tech School troop]here is the only photo I have it's taken on the old school playing field on the occasion of an exchange visit with a Dutch troop in either 68 or 69 I don't recognise anybody as such although I think the scout to the right maybe Dave Harris,I don't even recognise myself.
The embankment behind is the canal.

(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2121/familyyphotos002ed.jpg) (http://img811.imageshack.us/my.php?image=familyyphotos002ed.jpg)
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on December 07, 2010, 23:21:26
Hello Conran,
Very good photo I could not recognise anyone there . I spoke to Brian Palmer yesterday for an hour or two about old times .I see him a lot these days ,we always play cards every Fiday from about 10.30 to 4 pm  taking it in turns to supply the meal and until recently 3/4  of us would go across to France once a month ,playing cards in The Club Class and then trying to  find a different restuarant for a lovely meal .I did this for about 12 years ( even the Captains recognised us ,and the stewards certainly did !!)
I will show Brian the photo to see if he can spot anyone !
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Mick on December 10, 2010, 23:13:04
Please consider this post not as a negative opinion, but more as a social comment of the time.
Sadly, I do not remember my years at Sheerness Tech with such, or indeed any affection at all. As a pupil in the X or B band (the less able of the groups), I remember brutality towards pupils. I was caned for achieving less than 40% in one of my Physics homeworks. I actually couldn't do it. I never again achieved less than 40% - I had a friend in the higher group do it for me from then on. I loved history. Once I went into the room before the lesson began and was caught having started my work. I was caned again. One never put a pencil behind an ear in geography. Jim Hutley would wack pupils across the side of the head, squashing your ear against the pencil. It hurt like hell. Sideboards as facial hair - not a good idea. These would be grasped and twisted.
I currently teach. Students are horrified when I recount those days. Why did we put up with it? Because we were frightened. Would we tell our mums? Never. I remember at least on of the Tiltman brothers dying from TB.
Back to the lighter memories. You didn't get a day off school because it was cold or snowing. But you suffered a trial by snowball whenever you entered the 'alley' between the school building and the playground. Jonathan Fryer was at school at the time, commonly known and called 'Chips.'
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: busyglen on February 09, 2011, 19:39:29

Found a photo of the Technical School.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i209/busyglen/Techschool.jpg)
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: conan on February 10, 2011, 13:40:01
With reference to the photo of the school.
  The upstairs left hand side room was the library and the L.H.S. downstairs room was Jim Hutleys geography room.
  The upstairs right hand side was my form room for a number of years and was used to teach both history and English ,the lower room was I think used mainly by the sixth form.Next door to this room was Barnets room.The front doors were never used by pupils or anybody much at all and opened straight onto the main hall and assembly room.The school honours boards were either side of the door and to one side was also the tubular bell set used to ring out lesson changes and breaks.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on February 16, 2011, 19:39:16
I was just about to post this last evening when the site  went down for repairs ,so I lost it .
I have searched but  was unable to find it ,so here goes.
Re Terry Spice the PE teacher who joined the Tech teaching staff circa 1965 ish.
I was the assistant head of the Evening Institute on the Island and I had a phone call from the lady who had a Ladies Keep Fit class that evening but was unable to take the class  and with only two hours before the class started .I phoned around but nobody was available and then THINKS,!!! WHAT ABOUT TERRY ,  this was in the days before equality of sexes ,health d safety  etc, etc  , I contacted Terry who was very ,very apprehensive but he said he would give it a try . I explained what was involved ,these young girls and ladies would at times be laying on the floor in their skimpy  leotards  with arm and legs in various  positions .When the class arrived the ladies looked very hard at Terry ,a very young teacher on his first teaching post, but said they would try it out .I waited outside of the room  in case of trouble but all went well.,they all enjoyed it and next year we advertised it as Terry SPICE with the Ladies Keep FIT .we had a full class.Terry's wife Mandy thought that it was a good idea.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Bryn Clinch on March 15, 2011, 09:53:44
Do any ex-Sheerness Tech. boys remember Mr. Duddle? I didn`t know him but heard about him from my next door neighbour who was a pupil in the 50s and did impressions of Mr. D. which sounded very much like the comedian of many years ago, Rob Wilton. I think that he taught Maths and/or Physics and his favourite expression, so I am told, was "now see here, lad". I was at school with his son, whose christian name escapes me (it was all surnames in my school), who reckoned that he could hypnotise us, and I also met Mrs. Duddle. All members of the Methodist Church, I believe.

Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on March 15, 2011, 12:27:38
When I was a lad !! " Joe Duddle " as we all knew him  would tap the desk with his forefinger while telling us off and we would be watching the chalk marks his finger made  .He was a lovely man really .Joe played the organ in the "Methodist Church " his wife also  was a keen member,she died shortly after Joe retired ,
Their son went to Univerity but was also diabetic and lost his sight and therefore had to leave .He also died about this time .
I took over Joe's job at the Tech , teaching Mathematics and Mechanics and he was a great help to me , if I had a difficult problem he could always sort it out for me
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: chillfiltered on May 03, 2011, 15:01:36
This has certainly brought back some memories. I was at the school from 1960 to 1965. I remember most of the teachers you are talking about. Also the Photography Club and the Astronomy Club. In fact the love of both has never left me. Was any one on the school trip to Rome and Switzerland (I think it was 1962) and remember the things we got up to. I was such a shame when the old building was demolished. Then there were the snowball fights with the Central School and Delemark Road (went here as well). I have been semi retire now for a few years and live in Milton Keynes but I still come back to the Island when I can, but haven't been back for a few years. Has anyone thought about a reunion or the like. By the way, does anyone know what happened to the honour boards when the school was demolished?
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on May 06, 2011, 02:38:00
The Honours Board is/was? in the Gatehose musuem ,the last time I saw it ,the boards were a little exposed to the weather. I was on the Tech trips to Germany and Switzerland/Italy .All the boys were very well behaved  especially compared with some of the children from other schools at the same hotel.
In Germany  I said I was worried should we lose one boy and go back home with one short and a master from another school said that he was worried in case he went back with one too many !!!!!!!!
One lad picked up a small present he wanted for his mum and as the stall holder was not there he tried to find him BUT he was accused of stealing it and we took a whole evening explaining to the Police that he was not trying to steal it .The hotelier gave us a free glass of wine  on our first evening and the following evening  we bought a bottle of that wine but the price he charged , !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on May 06, 2011, 02:41:42
P.S. Chillfiltered there is a reunion  of the Tech boys every year run by Bob Fulton ,Do you want the details ?
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on May 06, 2011, 03:16:22

Hello Conan , does this sound familar.

CLASSROOM LAYOUT IN THE TECH.


On entering the school by the front entrance ,up the main steps  through the large impressive doors , on the bottom floor left hand side was a general teaching room , continuing  and there is a Geograpthy classroom for Jim Hutley.Past this is the door to the cloakroom  and wash basins on the left and the teachers toilet on the right.Heading back carrying on ,still inside the hall and stage was the ladies toilets ( mainly for the evening class and the office staff of two girls ) carry on and  there is the schools  office ,then a passage to the Heads room  ( Mr.Barnett ) and past that was the metal store then   the door to the metalwork room. Both on the right hand side Still on the ground floor of the Hall is another general teaching room with a small section behind the blackboard made into a darkroom where I would take  my after school class of photography when I returned  there as a teacher .The change of lessons  bells were outside this room .I rung them many times when  I was a boy at the school  and my friend was  fire watching  in the evening .One teacher and one very reliable boy were on duty to watch for any incendiary bombs that might fall  on the school. Although I was not chosen for this I would meet my friends there and we would have the run of the school it was fun.
Up the stairs on the left hand side is the Library ,next is the chemistry  lab and through that room is the Physics lab. At the top of the stairs is Room 7 with the  two very  artistic statues either side of the door. ( when I used that room as a teacher, at the end of the lesson should any boy be asleep, some of the lads worked  long hours on their outside jobs,and if they were supposed to be drawing or writing an essay  , I would file the class out  very quietly and leave him asleep . At the top of the right hand stairway was another teaching room  and past that would be the Woodwork room. On the left hand side in the corridor would be a fire escape that led to the 6th form roon through to  the Gas Engine , the Tensile testing machine and Mr.Elderfield the Lab .Technician .Above these rooms is the Technical Drawing Office.

The front doors were never used by pupils or anybody much at all and opened straight onto the main hall and assembly room.The school honours boards were set  either side of the door and to one side was also the tubular bell set used to ring out lesson changes and breaks.I think that I must draw a plan of the rooms .!
More to follow later
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on May 08, 2011, 18:03:05

Teachers at the Sheerness Technical School 1968 to 1969

(http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee401/Colin_Penney/Scan.jpg)
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Bryn Clinch on May 08, 2011, 19:41:36
I thought that at some time there was a teacher at the school named Kitcat. I`m not at all sure of this, but if it`s true the poor man must have suffered dreadfully.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on May 08, 2011, 20:01:17

Hello Bryn. Yes, you are correct ,Mr.Kittcatt retired about  1965 +/- a couple of years.  He is of course  no longer with us now.
His house in Minster Road is now an Old Peoples Home .

 Did you know his son (I have forgotten his first name  ) was one of the three who sits in front of the speaker  in The Houses of Parliament on that large table  thing ! He also retired a few yeard ago
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Bryn Clinch on May 09, 2011, 07:53:47
Thanks for jogging my memory CDP! I do remember the Mr. Kittcat who was at the House of Commons. In your first post you mentioned the `battles` between Sheerness Tech. and BGS when their trains passed each other. They seemed to be a regular occurence and sometimes resulted in dire consequences for the more serious offences for the BGS boys (I don`t know about the Tech. boys). The headmaster, George Hardy, was very handy with the cane and had quite a selection, all shapes and sizes, but was very erratic and unpredictable. You could get away with murder one day but then suffer for a trivial offence the next. I believe one or two more serious offences on the railway were probably `smoothed out` due to the fact that the son of the Sittingbourne stationmaster was deputy head boy of BGS.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Tadpole on August 09, 2011, 02:22:35
Thank you all for your posts mentioning Allan "Froggy" Sayer, French Teacher at the Sheerness Tech until it closed, from where he went to teach at Borden Grammar School in Sittingbourne until his retirement.

Sadly, I have to inform you that he died on 21 July 2011, aged 84.   The funeral is on Saturday 13 August 2011 at the Medway Crematorium, Bluebell Hill at 10:00.   If anyone has memories of "Froggy", you would be most welcome at the service and to the reception afterwards.   If anyone has any memories, I would very much appreciate any postings here, too.

I am Mark "Tadpole" Sayer, or "son of Froggy".   Does anyone remember me ?  I went to Delamark primary school, whose school day finished some minutes before the Tech school, and I was oft to be found wandering amongst the "giants" in the main foyer of the Tech at the end of the day, waiting for a lift home from my Dad.   Occasionally, I was allowed to ascend the grand curving stairways to the upper floor.

I remember procuring lifts home from Mr. Welland, in his Morris van, and from Mr. Costain in his Triumph Herald.
I remember the names of Les Bryant and Owen Ryder, but I don't recall why.
Norman "Doc" Bromham went on to teach Chemistry at Borden Grammar.
Mr Barnett was a scary figure to me; perhaps to others too ?
Thank you, CDP, for the staff list - I knew he taught French at the Tech but never knew he was head of department.

Another name I recognise: Mrs Tenwick: was Colin her son at Delamark ? - My best friend until we fell out and had a fight in the playground over Karen Baker.

The Tech closed before I was old enough, and my family moved from Queenborough Road and away from the Island onto the mainland to be closer to Borden Grammar, where "Froggy" went on to teach French and which I attended.
It was vandalism to destroy such an impressive building, and institution, and to level it to a car park.

Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: kyn on August 09, 2011, 12:59:47
Welcome to KHF Tadpole, I am sorry to hear of your loss and hope that members will be able to provide memories of your father. 
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on August 09, 2011, 17:48:04
When Alan was teaching at the Tech ,to help his family out ,and for a bit of fun , he decided to lease an ice cream van and sell it in the Sheppey Streets.  One day he came in laughing because some boys who were buying  an ice cream said to Alan " Hello Sir , aren't you a teacher at the Tech " to which Alan replied " No of course not  , that is my twin brother ."

Tadpole please remember me to your mother Jeann from Kathleen and I and we are sorry to hear about your loss.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Tadpole on August 11, 2011, 01:14:46
Thank you CDP.

Yes, I remember the ice-cream van.   It had a particular aroma inside; a combination of vanilla and the fittings.

Sadly Jeanne passed away in February 2009.

How did Kathleen know Jeanne ?
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Tadpole on August 11, 2011, 01:40:42
An excerpt from a post on http://www.pbase.com/luckytrev/image/29287310 about the Sheerness Tech by "Brian": 

".... Mr Sayer - French, this guy while writing on the chalkboard could see the reflection of the class in his glasses and then spin round and hurl the chalk at wayward pupils with fare accuracy, sometimes it was the board rubber. ...."
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on August 11, 2011, 18:32:05
My wife and your mother were friends from the old Tech day as Teachers wives , and I believe that you and my daughter Sue or Sarah were at the same school
My wife remembers that your mother went to collect Sue one day  who refused to get into her car as Sue  was told NEVER get   into any car  other  than mine Screams and tears all round   but it all ended happily.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on August 13, 2011, 21:02:06
Could I reply  to the comments re the Headmaster of the Sheerness Technical  School Mr. W.E.Barnett on Trev's   web site
When he started at  the Tech  most teachers resented Mr.B as he insisted that  some Sheppey Tech  boys  were as good as Sittingbourne Grammar School and therefore he instructed  the teachers to enter 40/50 boys for the G.C.E exams instead of the 6/10 that were being  entered.  This would have  meant a lot of extra work for the teachers and as such a few resigned .After a few years the Tech results were so good that many Sittingbourne parents sent their boys to the Tech.  We had  many many boys going off to Universities our favourite was Imperial College London ,one of the top Universities , with approximately one boy each year  winning a Scholarship there and eventually  obtaining a Doctorate .
He worked everyone including the teachers very hard but we all said it was worth it and you only have to look around to see  most Sheppey boys appreciated being  forced/encouraged to do well as is evident from the talk at the Tech School reunion held each year. Many people come from various places to talk over old times, mostly good memories .
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: timjen on October 08, 2011, 00:21:33
Interesting thread. Sorry to say I'm in the not very happy memories camp, and certainly don't think of my years there (1965 /1970) as the happiest of my life, however, within the mist of negative thoughts stored in my head, I guess it wasn't that different to most schools of the time.
"Bill" Barnet was certainly a person to avoid, although as I've posted elsewhere, being part of the school band gave us a bit of immunity. Anyone having the experiance of walking down the "Tummy Tunnel" as we knew it, to wait out side of his office never forgot the experiance. The picture of a young John Standford on the wall didn't help.

CDP, my memories of the layout differ slightly from yours, in our time "Dobbin" Palmers (sorry Brian) TD room was in the old junior school building above the gym, the physics lab was above the 6th form room over the metal fire escape, and I seem to remember Colin your darkroom as a sort of cupboard  under the stairs & was certainly where my photographic career started, learning how to load and process film etc.

I suppose sitting here thinking back it wasn't all bad, but memories of forced swimming in ice cold water, Wednesday afternoons marching up to Seager Road for "games" which in the dead of winter with the north wind turning your legs blue was never a joy, and the compulsory cross country runs does slightly cloud your judgment.

Was I sad to see the old school close? no because I had two fantastic years at the comp, where being the first ever 6th form, Cyril Poster allowed us to just get on with it, so I basically spent most of my time building on what you had started with photography. Do I regret my time there? no because somehow it drummed a good education into me. Was I sad to see the building pulled down? yes because it was an important part of Sheppeys history destroyed for no good reason.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: colin haggart on March 22, 2012, 22:41:07
On page one, I mentioned, Mr. Fryer, well he is still around, I saw him, not to speak to, today, near Iwade.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Minsterboy on March 23, 2012, 05:41:48
We must of both passed Jonathon Fryer around the same time, he was walking along with another guy. He had on, as usual, his deer stalker hat.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on March 23, 2012, 22:12:12
I taught Jonathan at the Tech and a very good student he was too.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: colin haggart on March 23, 2012, 22:21:13
We must of both passed Jonathon Fryer around the same time, he was walking along with another guy. He had on, as usual, his deer stalker hat.

It was his coat, that's how I know it was him.  I was in a red taxi, on my way home, just about to turn left to go onto the main road to the motorway.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Ratty on March 26, 2012, 12:25:20
I was a Tech boy from 1964 (?) until it closed in 1970 and I recognise many of the people and events metntioned in this string. I was a member of the Astronomy Club (even produced the club magazine after typing it and making copies with roller-copier), I did some of the O-level Navigation and Astronomy courses but never took the exams, I also remember the Science Club (we made a breathalyser) and I was in the Scout Troup (remember the cycling trip to Holland and Belgium and the Easter Camp which got snowed-out ?).  Bill Barnet had a reputation for being hard but on the few occasions I came up in front of him I though he was extremely fair. The catholic boys were not allowed to attend assembly and joined only for the announcements, I had an exemption as I was in the School Band (second cornet) and Bill was desperate for players. Towards the end of the school there was a big emphasis on getting boys to University to do arts and languages and I was one of the group of 7/8 boys considered as dropouts becasue we did "useless" things like maths, physics with chemistry, TD, metalwork & woodwork.  In reality the engineering facilities available to us were second to none and the small class size a boon - for me it couldn't have been better.  Obviously, "we" were not going-on to do A-levels so "Hitler" made us go to see the "Careers advice officer" in the town and organised interviews for us.  The information provided by the school bore no resemblance to me, nor my aspirations, and after being told I was of "lower than average intelligence" did my own thing.  I still had to go to the interviews organised through the school and Bill Barnett laughed about one because it was at a Brewery in Sittingbourne (it turned-out to be a sweet factory!).  I left the Island in 1970 only coming back to visit family and now they are gone I will probably never come back again .... and its actually quite comfortable here in the South of France ;o)  ... but you know what they say "once an Islander; always an Islander" !
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on March 26, 2012, 20:06:47
Although Mr. Barnett was an engineer by qualifications, he was also a very astute man.   He would often goad a boy by shouting and decrying him, that when the boy left the Head, the  lad would say to himself,  very angrily " I'll show him what I am made of ". He would then work very, very hard to prove that the Head was wrong.

The Head would then smile to himself and tell us another lad was now working well .

At the start, the Tech boys were the failed 11 plus lads who could not go to the Borden Grammer School, but at the end we were  getting 15/20 each year off to University. We also had a 3rd year sixth form.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Ratty on March 27, 2012, 09:36:38
I always thought the failed eleven plus boys went to the Secondary Modern and the boys that passed went to Borden or the Tech depending on aptitude (my brother went to Borden, which was logical as he was the academic one, and I was the practical one).  Anyway, there was no shouting in my case, I knew what I wanted to do and where I was going and it wasn't on the same page as school's view. That wasn't a problem, I drifted along at the bottom of the class and surprised everyone when the exams came along.  I didn't make any waves and we parted amicably when I left after taking my o-levels.  Looking back I would like to thank all the teachers for the extra-curricula activities, at the time we took them for granted and I only realised years later what fantastic opportunities we had.  Overall I enjoyed the Tech; the discipline was strict but fair and the teachers were all good people. I was sad to see it go.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on March 27, 2012, 11:29:15
Yes, sorry, I was wrong and you were correct , after all it was in 1941 !!!! when I was at the Tech as a lad, and 1962 when I started teaching there, and I marked some of the papers for the 11+ for the boys coming to the Tech.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Ratty on April 03, 2012, 16:15:53
I guess from the Teachers List that CDP is Colin Penney and that you taught Mathematics (amongst other things).  I'm sorry but I don't remember you but I did remember what you taught me so I suppose that might be some consolation !
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on April 03, 2012, 22:38:20
Hello Ratty, You sound just like my wife. This message will self destruct in 30 seconds.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: grahambentley on August 21, 2012, 22:48:46
I remember Jonathan Fryer very well. Unfortunately I have not seen him as an adult as I left the Tech around 1966. I never saw him again. It sounds like he grew up into an academic.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: grahambentley on August 21, 2012, 22:58:24
Could someone please tell me what happened to Mr Barnett. This site, and some personal communication with CDP has been fascinating for me. I only knew him as a boy and the impression was not favourable at the time. From these conversations, I do get a little peek behind the mask to what the real person MAY have been like. I understood that he died. That's no surprise given how long ago this all was for me. I am already working on my "Bucket List". One of those items is to come back to the island and stay for a few days trying to trigger as many of the old memories as I possibly could. Not such a small plan as I live in California. I would dearly love to attend a Tech re-union, but the chances of that are pretty slim. One thing that saddens me is the complete lack of school photographs. I have photos from Alexandra Road infants, Delemark Road primary, but none of the Tech. If you go to the Friends Reunited site there is a good forum for both of those schools, and the Tech as well, but no photos.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on August 22, 2012, 11:00:28
There is a Sheerness Tech reunion evey year at Sheerness, run by Bob Fulton (he also spent many years in the USA ) his email is OCRIKEY@aol.com
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Barry 5X on March 25, 2013, 17:10:23
I was at the Sheerness Technical School for boys from 55 to 61.   As shown on the plan below (copied from the “Sheerness Schools, The Broadway” topic on this KENT HISTORY FORUM) both the “Tech School” and the ringed “School” buildings (separated by the playground) were within the perimeter of what was called “the Sheerness Technical School”.

The other building shown within the perimeter (top right behind the “Tech School”) comprised of toilets on the ground floor and two classrooms upstairs accessed by an external metal staircase.

The “School” building contained on the ground floor a gym, a changing room, a kitchen and a dining room.  There were classrooms upstairs.  This building was used by the Sheerness Technical School for girls for a couple of years when it was formed and before they moved to Minster.

There was an invisible line which defined the boys and girls playground areas which neither school members could cross.  On the seaward side of the playground stood a row of out of bounds “flat roof” buildings – the last one nearest the “Tech School” was used as a cycle storage area.

The “Tech School” ground floor comprised the main assembly hall, cloakroom, admin offices, geography maths and 6th form classrooms and a metalwork shop.  Along the corridor was the office of Mr Barnett.  Upstairs, via two staircases which ran either side of the assembly hall, housed the Chemistry Lab., through which was another classroom which overlooked the swimming pool.  There was a classroom (used for science and mechanics) which was central and above the assembly room and on other side were classrooms which were used for French, History and English.  There was also the Teachers common room, Library and a Woodwork shop.

With regards to swimming lessons in the adjacent open air swimming pool, I believe the “too cold to use limit” was set at 43 degrees.

In 1960, class 5X was formed which fitted between class 5A and class 5B.  5X also comprised of a number of boys who were re-coursed from the previous year’s intake who had supposedly failed ALL of their mock GCE exams and thus been classified by Mr Barnett as unfit to take them.   These boys had effectively to repeat the whole of the 5th year again if they wanted to take their GCE exams.  I was one of them.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: conan on March 26, 2013, 13:33:17
Read your post with interest Barry5X. The flat roof buildings on the seaward side were the old air raid shelters and I can remember the bike shed well, the entrance to the shelter by the bikes led into the school boy scouts store. In the main building on the first floor the room next to the chemistry lab and situated at the front of the building was the school library. Our dates of attendance do not overlap, I was there from 63-69.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Barry 5X on March 27, 2013, 19:20:12
Can you identify all the staff of Sheerness Technical School.

This gallery is taken from the 3ft 8in long school photograph taken in May 1960.

Was I the only one who purchased one?

I have numbered the two secretary's and the Teachers to assist you. 

Please give the name and subjects taught.  Have fun
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: colin haggart on March 27, 2013, 22:35:59
No. 4, Mr. Hutley, he was the head of the sixth form at the Sheppey School when I was there, I'm sure he was a teacher at the tech school.

No. 8, Mr. Owen Ryder, he tought maths at Sir Thomas Cheynne Middlle School when I was there. 
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on March 27, 2013, 22:37:52
Most of the names are correct. About this time 4/5 of these teachers left the Tech School because the Headmaster made the teachers work a lot harder and enter many more boys for their O levels.
Most of those that left went to Bromley (or Medway) Technical  College.

  1.) Mrs Tenwick, Headmaster's secretary.
  2.)
  3.) Doucy
  4.) J. B. Hutley, Geography.
  5.) L. Bryant, Woodwork.
  6.)
  7.)
  8.) Joe Duddle, Mathematics.
  9.) W. E. Barnett, Headmaster.
10.) H. W. Kitcatt, Deputy Headmaster.
11.) McArthur, Metalwork.
12.) A. A. Clenaghan, Science.
13.) O. Ryder, Maths.
14.)
15.) L. G. Welland, (Algy), Pottery.
16.)
17.) Trevor Lifton.
18.) George Brown, English.
19.) A.Elderfield, Lab. Assistant.
20.) Office Staff.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Bryn Clinch on March 28, 2013, 06:35:54
CDP, I recognise three names on your list:

Joe Duddle - I was at Borden with his son, whose christian name I cannot remember. A very clever lad who suffered very poor health.

? Doucy - would he be the father of Brian Doucy, who was also at Borden?

Trevor Lifton - possibly the father of ???? Lifton, who was also at Borden?

Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on March 28, 2013, 10:51:40
Bryn, Joe's son died about a year or two before Joe retired and Joe died aged circ 66.
Joe usually went home at lunch time to see his son and a few times found him on the floor, Joe was always frightened not knowing whether his son had not taken his Insulin or being almost blind  had taken too much.

Not sure about the Doucy kin, perhaps someone will know.
Trevor not sure, almost certain he was an old Tech boy who died very young.

I think No. 7 may be Alan Sayer, the French Teacher.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on March 28, 2013, 11:34:17
In praise of Mr. Barnet, he really turned the Tech. School round. From entering 10 or so boys in for the O levels out of a total of 60+ boys when he first arrived at the school, to boys being accepted into some of the better Universities e.g Imperial College London, Kings College, London, etc. with
A. Townes getting a 1st class honors degree at Imperial.
A. Couchman studied at Imperial College.
P. Mitchell, 1st class honours degree.
K. Lupton, studied at Imperial College.
P. Stoor, studied at Imperial College.
M. Ward, passed entrance exam Royal Scholarship.
     Hills, studied at Imperial College.
T. Drawbridge studied at Imperial College.
P. Gorf, passed entrance exam Royal Scholarship.
    Swan, studied at Imperial College (awarded Scholarship after one year).
    Wyver, studied at Imperial College.
K. Webster, passed entrance exam Royal Scholarship.

One of the above was invited, and accepted, to become a Lecturer at Imperial, to which he accepted.
etc.etc etc.

The scholarship was only worth about £25 but it guaranteed a place in the Hall of Residence and being in London, therefore  fiercely  sought after.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Barry 5X on March 28, 2013, 18:15:24
To the pupils of Sheerness Tech in the middle to late 50’s the school basically offered three main options on leaving; the Dockyard Apprenticeships, employment in Kemsley Paper Mill and entry into the Services such as the RAF Apprenticeship and/or Boy Entrant schemes.  To this end it seemed fit for purpose.

In 1961, possibly at the last assembly I attended, Mr Barnet announced to the school that the Head Boy (cannot remember his name – big bloke and good on the tubular bells) had won a place at University.  To me, and probably others as well, this was the first inkling that University was a possible option for the likes of the pupils of the Sheerness Tech.  At the time, universities seemed to be for the boys and girls of the grammar schools (gutter snipes) and for the privileged children of the middle and upper classes and thus out of reach.
 
Perhaps it was not a case of turning the school round but more of bringing it into the emerging new world.  Remember it was only 16 years after the 2nd world war had finished, rationing had finished in 1954 and as we now know; it was the start of the swinging 60’s when opportunities opened up for all - especially for the lower classes of the post war generation.

In the first years following Mr Barnets’ arrival there were many changes in the way the school was run. However perhaps the flaw in this gentleman was that at the time, he didn’t come across as a man implementing changes for the benefit of the pupils.  Sadly more rule by fear.  Looking at Mr Barnet’s later achievements, detailed below by CDP, then he does deserve a certain amount of praise.

One of the changes he made was the introduction of “HOUSES” within the school so that pupils could compete with each other at swimming and athletics events.  I cannot remember exactly how many HOUSES there were (named after seafaring heroes), however I believe that my house was called DRAKE with an associated colour of YELLOW.  I stand to be corrected and I wonder if anyone can enlighten me on the other HOUSES / COLOURS and how long they lasted.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Barry 5X on March 29, 2013, 14:50:50
Sheerness Technical School Photograph taken May 1960.

This photograph is reproduced here in 6 parts due to the fact the original is 44 inches wide.

Please Note:  Visitors to the forum may have to log in to view them
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on March 29, 2013, 15:52:49
""""In the first years following Mr Barnet`s arrival there were many changes in the way the school was run. However, perhaps the flaw in this gentleman was that at the time, he didn’t come across as a man implementing changes for the benefit of the pupils.  Sadly more rule by fear.""""

Mr. Barnet confided in me one day and said how difficult it was to change the Teachers (and the boys) attitude and convince them that they were all capable of much better things. One of my first tasks at the school was to take a class of failed O level Technical Drawing lads and Additional Mathematics failures.  Not fully aware of the " these lads are not capable of it " we all worked very hard and 95% of the failures all passed with very good grades. So the Head moved me to another poor area but that is another story. Mr. Barnet had to be firm and in some cases rude ? and not only to the staff !!
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: conan on March 30, 2013, 11:13:39
That's an amazing photo Barry 5X I don't recognise anyone (a bit before my time) but the backgrounds are interesting.

Number one shows the old air raid shelters, number two shows a bit of the old swimming pool, the windows to the left in number three were the old cloakroom, the upstairs windows in number four were the library, number five shows the shop where the owner would sell errant schoolboys a cigarette and match for 3d.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on April 01, 2013, 18:56:08
SheernessTechnical High School for Boys.

PREFECTS   1966--- 1967

Head Prefect               J. Brightman
Deputy Head Prefect    G. Skinner    (Main Building)
Deputy Head Prefect    P. Mitchell     ( Broadway Building )


Senior Prefects            N. Huxted
                                 M. Everingham
                                 A. Couchman
                                 K. Cruickshank
 
Prefects                      J. Williams
                                 M.Ward
                                 P.Vigar
                                 M. Moss
                                 A. Blackman

Junior Pefects             R. Chambers
                                 N. Hills
                                 A. Houlgraves     
                                 D Hunter
                                 G. Swan
                                 H. Williams       
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Ivanm on April 03, 2013, 06:26:40
Sheerness Tech, Autumn 1956 to Spring 1961.

Barry5X, an “inmate” at the Tech at the same time as myself, alerted me to the existence of this forum.

I spent the next few nights reminiscing about the Tech., Sheppey and boyhood in general, and eventually registered to put my “two bob’s worth” in. 

My career at the Tech started off reasonably well in form 1A (Form master K. Bailey).
The Deputy Head at that time was Mr H. W. Kitkat, BA. which post he maintained throughout my stay.
Although I managed to remain in the A stream for the whole period, my class position went from somewhere near the top to very near the bottom by the end.
Form 2A.    Form Master   G. R. Hawkes BA
Form3A.     Form Master   D. J. Keohane
Form 4A    Form Master   A. C. Sayer
Form5A     Form Master   J. B. Hutley

At the time of joining the school, a Mr P. Harrop, B.Sc. was the Principal or Head Master.  We hardly saw him!

In the Autumn of 1957 Mr W. E Barnett took over as Principal.

At this time my school results were erratic to say the least, ranging from top in geography to close to the bottom in maths, which no doubt brought me to the attention of Mr Barnett.
“Satisfactory but could do better” were the catch phrases of my reports.

I have often thought Mr  Barnett a rather sadistic man. I remember having to kneel  in a large stuffed leather chair in his office while he wacked me across the backside with a leather belt, shouting  “for disobedience”  with each stroke. My crime?  Entering the girls side of the playground!

He wasn’t the only teacher capable of similar actions.
I remember working at some problems in Algebra one afternoon, quietly (I thought) humming to myself as I did so. Suddenly I received a fair wack across the back of the head from Mr Lifton who had silently appeared behind me!   Such was the blow that my nose hit the desk and blood issued everywhere. I was sent to the cloak room to sort myself out. I didn’t hum in class anymore!

I seem to remember that Mr Lifton used to walk with an odd spring in his step and the rumour among the kids was he had been tortured by the Japanese during the war!

I think I was in Nelson House and we used to meet upstairs in the (new?) Chemistry/Physics lab at the rear of the old building, behind the metalwork shop.
Wasn’t there a radial aero engine in the metal shop? I also think there was a shaping machine, metalwork lathe and small forge for brazing jobs, etc.

I was never too keen on sport (except swimming) and hated the cross country runs in the winter along the old rifle ranges where the wind and rain made us very miserable indeed.   Very character building!

Reading though the forum it appears my perception of Mr Barnett should well be tempered as he may have had his pupil’s best interests at heart!

In the Spring of 1961 I passed the RAF Apprentice entrance exam and left to join up for twelve years.  I must have learned something at the school as after three years at Halton I came out top in my final trade test and received two years accelerated promotion.
After I left the Air Force I moved to Australia where I joined IBM as a service engineer. 
Thirty two years later I retired. ( Many stories in between but they don’t fit in to this forum).

I guess I learned more than I thought at Sheerness Tech., and life has been one big learning curve ever since.

Ivanm
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on April 05, 2013, 17:55:06
 SOME TEACHERS  AT THE SHEERNESS TECHNICAL SCHOOL  1941

Mr. Davies  (Milky)                Headmaster/Principal
Mr. Kitcatt                            Deputy Head
Mr. Duddle  (Joe)                  Mathematica/Engineering
Mr. Chatwin  (Sid)                Science
Mr. Stacey  (Gus)                 P.E /Games
Mrs Savage                          English
Mrs.Byers, nee Halliwell        English
Gandy ????/                        Geography
Mr. Woodley (Buzzer)           Woodwork 
Mr. Mac Arthur (Mac)            Metalwork   
Mr. Ralph                             Music   
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Joedest on April 06, 2013, 19:18:36

Hi CDP, They were all there in my day, thanks for the memory. :) :)
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Ted on June 10, 2013, 12:05:18
What a find this forum has been. I was searching for an old friend's contact details and came across this.

I was a pupil at Sheerness Tech in last days between 1966 and 1970. I remember most of the teachers named with fond memories of Mr (Algy) Welland (covering English - the book Moonfleet comes to mind), Mr (Froggie) Sayer (in French) and, I seem to remember, Mrs Nubie? (who covered French conversation?). I had a small run in with Mr Barnett but his reputation preceded him and all he had to do was make me wait in the corridor and then dismiss me to exact punishment. There were stories he had two canes, Hector and Tickler, and would make a meal of choosing which one to use. Is this fanciful or true?

I remember the bullies when in the first year and the way we showed them we weren't going to be walked over. Anyone remember "Cutty" & "Jace" (Carpenter and Jace, I think)? I also remember the "bundles" in the playground, the air raid shelters as a refuge and strict rules. Oh happy days!

To be honest I only recognised the great education I received there after the event. When we were transferred to Sheppey Comprehensive I sailed through the O'level courses without any effort (or so it seems now). I achieved my 10 or so C+ grades based on the work the teachers had delivered in the Tech. I went through the usual education path achieving a reasonable degree in Applied Physics. I even managed a lamentable CSE in Computer Appreciation (I think it was the first year of a computer exam). All of these on the back of the Tech, and before that Delemark Road, another excellent school.

"Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone "
(Joni Mitchell)

Thanks to all for remembering and posting. 
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Barry 5X on June 14, 2013, 22:25:37
I joined this thread for a couple of reasons; the main one being the fact that my brother Brian and I both shared the same experience of attending the Sheerness Technical School, each leaving school to briefly work on a farm and then joining the RAF as teenagers.  Brian, born in 1931 would have been at the Tech between 1943 and 1946, whereas I, born in 1944, was there between 1955 and 1961.  We were both taught by the following teachers; Kitcatt, MacArthur, and Joe Duddle; albeit 13 years apart.  As for the RAF trades we both became Aircraft Instrument Fitters; Brian joined as a Boy Entrant in 1946 and I joined as a Halton Apprentice in 1961.

In general I thoroughly enjoyed attending the school and thought that the tuition received was very good.  I repeated the fifth year in class 5X (due to a personal family tragedy which “apparently affected” my pre GCE schooling); unfortunately despite covering the same lessons twice over a period of 2 years, the number of GCE’s which I was allowed to take was limited to three (I passed them all).  When I entered the RAF apprentice scheme I sat and passed 3 more GCE’s with ease and went on to achieve both a “City and Guilds Intermediate” and an “ONC (with distinction)” in “Electrical Engineering” thanks mainly to my education at the Tech.  When I was at the Tech I, along with other pupils, were aware of the actions of some of the teachers and after 1958 the actions of the new principal, with their unnecessary over the top measures of discipline.  Examples of these have been written about in this topic.  Overall though, I have more pleasant memories of the Tech than bad ones.

Trevor Edwards Isle of Sheppey Pictures and Postcards Album

From reply 25 of this topic (Tadpole) and following subsequent internet searches I have become aware that a gentleman called Trevor Edwards had joined a website (http://www.pbase.com) in 2001 and established an online album of the “Isle of Sheppey” consisting of pictures and postcards.  This includes a gallery dedicated to the Sheerness Technical School:

http://www.pbase.com/luckytrev/image/29287310/medium

What I wasn’t immediately aware of was that below the photographs were numerous comments which included accounts of “Sheerness technical school experiences” from the various web site visitors and guests; including the following one:

I actually went to the school for a year, just before it was knocked down and it was a rather stuffy place.  But, yes, a wonderful building for all that. Trevor Edwards Sept 2004

With interest I then discovered additional comments about technical school experiences scattered throughout in comments located under two other galleries of Trevor’s album:

http://www.pbase.com/luckytrev/isle_of_sheppey
http://www.pbase.com/luckytrev/sness_town&page=all

As such, I have captured all the relative “comments” about the tech from Trevor Edward’s Album and have taken artistic licence in reorganising them under specific headings.  I have also taken the opportunity to remove any duplication, reduce and amend comments where applicable (to remove any unsuitable or unpleasant words); the finished paper is detailed below.  Hopefully this will allow this topic to be the main source for memories, comments and references to the Sheerness Technical School for Boys.

Extracts from http://www.pbase.com/luckytrev

The School Band

Stuart (Larry) Ralph (1961 to 1965) Oct 2012.  Reading the comments on this site brought back all the memories for me.  I too remember my time there with no fondness.  I too was chosen for the band, enabling lunchtimes in the warm instead of huddled in some corner of the playground to avoid the biting wind.

Tim Oxley (  ) Oct 2011  God I hated this place, although it did teach me the best way to stay out of trouble was to join the school brass band, which was "Bill" W. E. Barnett’s pride and joy!

The leader of the school band during most of my time there was Derek (Drac) Hill.  Fellow members at the time included: Colin (Dumpy) Morris (now Dr) who did an excellent Benny Hill impression, Andy Simler a really talented Euphonium player, John Moss, Terry (Rusty) Purvis and Mark Reader. 

Being a member of the band guaranteed lovely warm lunch breaks in the physics lab, and exclusion from many lessons preparing for various Christmas concerts.  The fact that I was a pretty untalented musician never seemed to be a problem.  We also got to sit down during assemblies, and avoid the awful ritual of doing the morning reading.  Another happy memory one morning was when Colin Morris leading the band on cornet started to play a solo, only to find that someone had stuffed a football sock up the end.

Parents Evening – Bob Waltz loses top of finger in Chemistry Lab

Barry Beames (  ) Oct 2011  I remember Bob Waltz blowing up the Chemistry lab as I was in the Darkroom at the time with Barnett and a load of school governors!  That was fun; they thought it was the band!!!  I used to take Bob's mother to visit him in hospital on my Motor bike as she was crazy too.

I remember one parents evening.  We, the school band were playing in room 7 at the top of the building.  During a brief break, there was a loud explosion from the chemistry lab, where a boy (I think his name was Schultz?) blew off the top of his finger.  In true Titanic style, the band was quickly gathered to start playing again to calm the situation.  (I'm sure it didn't help)

Remembering Teachers

Leslie John Neaves (1942 to 1945) Oct 2009 I was born in Sittingbourne and went to Sheerness Technical School, near the ''front'' in 1942.  My e-mail address is leslie@neaves.me.uk.  I remember:
•   Mr Chapman
•   Mr W H Kitcatt
•   Mr Mark Stacey PE /Games
•   Mr Woodward (Buzzer) Woodwork
J Edwards (1949 to 1952) Jul 2011 I was not a good student.  I remember:
•   Mrs Byers
•   Mr Owen (Jack) Ryder
•   Mr W H Kitcatt
•   Mr Brindley (PT)
•   Charlie Chester.
Gerald Law (1955 to 1960) Nov 2010 I remember:
•   Mr W H Kitcatt
•   Mr (Bill) W. E. Barnett
•   Mr Luland,
•   Mr Hutley,
•   Mr Lifton
•   Mr Macarthur
•   Mr Holt
•   Mr Owen (Jack) Ryder
•   Mr Hawkes
•   Mr Ducy
Derek Gallagher (1962 to 1967) Dec 2010 I remember:  Mr L G (Algy) Welland the art teacher- he had glasses and a big moustache and a very dry sense of humour!
Tim Oxley (  ) Oct 2011.  The teachers during my time were:
•   Mr Owen (Jack) Ryder
•   Mr L G (Algy) Welland
•   Terry Spice
•   Mr Jim Hutley, who I always enjoyed because he ran the school during W E. Barnett’s many absences, and was firm, but had a great sarcastic sense of humour
•   Clonk Clenaghan
•   Ernie Millen, with his 3 wheel Messerschmitt car
•   Colin Penney, lovely man who expanded my interest in photography, and was always very easy to side track into recounting stories instead of teaching maths
•   Biffo (Jake) Jackson, also known in other schools as Jack.  He would write up pages and pages of stuff on economics and history, which we had to copy word for word
•   L (Buller) Bryant who, although I hated metalwork, I always got on well with
•   Dr Norman (Doc / Sproc) Bromham who set fire to his white jacket one lesson while explaining chemical formula and leaning back on his Bunsen burner.
•   W E Barnett I remember one fantastic morning when "Bill" marched into the hall went to mount the stage, tripped and fell flat on his face, happy days.
Mark "Tadpole" Sayer (  ) Aug 2011 I remember procuring lifts home from:
•   Mr L G (Algy) Welland in his Morris van
•   Mr Costin in his Triumph Herald
Paul Goodhew (  ) Sep 2010.  There were some great teachers, such as Messrs:
•   Wright
•   Owen (Jack) Ryder
•   Penney
•   Costin
•   Clenaghan.
Brian (  ) Sep 2010.  Teachers I recall:
•   Mr Wolfe (a short man who was often asked by cheeky pupils what he was going to be when he grew up)
•   Mr L G (Algy) Welland - Art teacher
•   Arthur Cassel - English and History, I think he owned a book shop along Sheerness Broadway
•   Mr Sears - Chemistry
•   T Costin - Chemistry
•   Les Bryant -Woodwork and Bookbinding - would thrive on adulation from the students
•   Colin Penney - Metalwork.
Spike (1963 to 1969) Feb 2009 There were a few good teachers:
•   “Biffo' Jackson - History
•   Terry Spice - Sport
•   Algy - Art
•   Brian Palmer - Tech Drawing.

Mark "Tadpole" Sayer or son of "Froggy"

Mark "Tadpole" Sayer (  ) Aug 2011  Allan "Froggy" Sayer was French Teacher at the Sheerness Tech until it closed, from where he went to teach at Borden Grammar School in Sittingbourne until his retirement.  Sadly, I have to inform you that he died on 21 July 2011, aged 84.

Graham (1960 to 1966) Aug 2011 Hi Tadpole - I remember your dad very well.  He had an unenviable job trying to teach us guys French.  Condolences on your Father's passing

Mark "Tadpole" Sayer (  ) Aug 2011  The Tech closed before I was old enough and my family moved from Queensborough Road and away from the Island onto the mainland to be closer to Borden Grammar.  It was vandalism to destroy such an impressive building, and institution, and to level it to a car park. 

Abridged Comments on W.E. Barnett

Paul Goodhew (1960 to 1965) Sep2010.  It was a great school, spoiled by Barnett.  He enjoyed caning boys, including me.  He managed to expel me; for smoking, in civvies, outside the school during a break from evening classes, where I was doing extra study in English to help my chances in GCE.  Of course the expulsion did not stick, and W. E. Barnett got into not inconsiderable trouble from the board of governors.  However his last words to me were "I don't really hate you Goodhew".  Despite an appalling reference from Barnett I got a tool making apprenticeship at Klippons, which set me up for 45 years in the plastics industry.

Spike (1963 to 1969) Feb 2009 I was at this hell hole and hated it.  I remember the detestable Barnett with loathing.

Mark "Tadpole" Sayer (  ) Aug 2011 Mr W. E. Barnett was a scary figure to me; perhaps to others too.

Brian J Skinner (1962 to 1966) Mar 2006.  A fine building yes, but this was education built on fear, fear of the cane, strap, belt or other various forms of punishment.  Headed by a verbally and physically abusive principal, even the staff was scared to put a foot out of line.

Barry Beames (  ) Dec 2006.  I concur with Brian Skinner completely.  The name W. E. Barnett will be forever imprinted on my memory as will his cane marks on my hand!

Graham Bentley (1962 to 1966) Aug 2008.  Beames and Skinner - your comments bought back my own memories.  I remember Barnett very well.  He loved to punish people and we did all live in fear.  Even if we were caught misbehaving outside school we would be beaten.

Graham Bentley - Being Expelled

Barry 5X  I have assumed from the content that Graham (  ) Jul 2007 and Graham Bentley (1962 to 1966) Aug 2008 are the same person and have combined two similar comments.

Graham Bentley (1962 to 1966) Aug 2008 If the days at Sheerness Technical School were the worst of your life, you must have had the pleasure of knowing the Headmaster Mr W. E. Barnett.  I had a dream to follow my grandfather to sea.  After my O levels, I got an interview for a technical college in London to train to be a merchant navy officer.  I was forbidden to go by Mr W. E. Barnett but I went anyway and got the college place.  When W. E. Barnett found out he went ballistic.  At the next assembly he got me up on stage, asked a boy to go to my desk and gather all my books and stuff.  He then threw them onto the floor of the stage and got me to walk through the assembly and out of the front doors forever.  He had expelled me in front of the whole school - It was the most traumatic experience of my young life.  One of my greatest regrets is not realizing that I could leave anyway and telling him to stuff it!  Never mind, it was a great school.

Barry Beames (  ) Sep 2008.  Hi Graham and yes I remember that occasion only too well thanking heaven it wasn't me!  My only claim to fame was I was the one that Jim Hutley refused to shake hands with when I left as I had been given a job in the civil service that put me on a higher level than him!

Guest (1966) Sep-2010.  Graham, glad I didn't return back to school after receiving my GCE grades during the summer holidays of 1966.  I did the same as you, landed a marine engineering apprenticeship with the New Zealand Shipping Company and was off to NZ by October on their cadet training ship.  What was Barnett thinking?  Any head today would be pleased at our efforts.  That experience must have scarred you for life.

1958

Stuart Taylor (1958) Feb 2012 I started at Sheerness Tech in 1958.  On my first day W. E. Barnett was introduced to the school as the new Principal.  He promised to put a stop to bullying but it become clear later that he was the biggest bully of all. 

Stuart Taylor (1958) Feb 2012 In my first year there was a Master v Pupil cricket match and an end of year show put together by the pupils.  The show included the auction of a wooden mallet, described as being used to bash the bench at the Old Bailey.  The chemistry master "Basher" Bailey smiled benignly.

Both the cricket match and the Christmas show were discontinued thanks to Barnett.

Stuart Taylor (1958) Feb 2012  W. E. Barnett once had the whole school working its way across the playground picking up pieces of conker and he banned the traditional conker contests from then on.

Having to play football in the playground with a ball made from rolled up socks.

Barry 5X  (Prior to Mr Barnett’s arrival football was played in the playground using a tennis ball.  This was stopped by Mr Barnett and from then on balls were made from various resources such as insulating tape wrapped around crushed paper or as detailed - rolled up socks).

R Betts (1958) Nov 2005.  I got two inch wide leather strap across my rear end in the principal’s office for not paying attention in a two hour maths class.  I ran up the stairs one side of the hall and back down the other side but I didn't shed a tear.  Think I swore though.

Kitcatt

Stuart Taylor (1958) Feb 2012 H. W. Kitcatt would twist your sideburn hair as a minor punishment, it hurt a little but he was still very popular.  All in all the school served me well.

Mr H. W. Kitcatt retired in the summer of 1963.

Memories

Brian (  ) Sep-2010 Memories
•   Anyone remember walking the two miles to the school sports ground in Seagar Road to play a 30/40 minute game of football, then getting changed back into uniform and walking all the way back?
•   The outside toilets at the back of the school - freezing in Winter.
•   The rows of hooks in the cloakroom.
•   The 1/3 pint of free school milk at morning break time.  Milk monitors could leave class early to poke holes in the bottle tops and put a drinking straw through each one ready for the masses to pour out of the classrooms into the hall.  The milk was great when it was cold, but on a warm day ugh.
•   The upper 6th Prefects standing on the stairs at the back of the hall during assembly.
•   Cross country runs along the rifle range up to the White House and back.
•   School dinners in the junior school building across the other side of the playground, which was where the gym was, ahh those ropes and beams.
•   Dr Norman (Doc / Sproc) Bromham went on to teach Chemistry at Borden Grammar.
•   Having to attend Monday morning swimming class in Spring term at Sheerness open air pool when the water temperature was 46F (8C).
•   Painfully having to listen to the school brass band in morning assembly. 
•   Having to sit on the studded floor tiles in the main hall for assemblies each morning. 
•   The main hall amplifying every booming bellow uttered by the principal. 
•   A creative art teacher who taught us to be expressive, an oasis in a desert of strict rules and punishment.
•   Several old staff from a distant generation who seemed close to deaths door.

Stuart Taylor (1958) Feb 2012 Memories
•   I remember everyone removing a shoe in the toilet block so that it could be compared with a footprint left on the ceiling. 
•   On one occasion a bottle of ammonia was smashed or spilt above the main hall and the whole school had to be evacuated (1958 ish).

Graham (  ) Feb 2011   I remember the day that Mr Sears the chemistry teacher caught the sleeve of his jacket on fire.

Quality of Education

Graham (  ) Jan 2010 To get into this school you had to neither "pass" nor "fail" your eleven plus exam.  A pass would have sent you to the grammar school, a fail would condemn you to the secondary modern.  This school was set up to train "dockyard mateys" for the navy.

Brian (  ) Sep 2010  I "failed" the 11 plus at Delemark road school the year they put in an "intelligence test" without giving us a clue what it was all about.  I then did a year at Jefferson Road Secondary School, The Central.  Did well enough to earn an interview with W. E. Barnett, little knowing what lay ahead.  On being accepted I then had to start again in the first year so I was always a year older than the rest of the class.  I quickly learnt to keep my head down and keep my mouth shut - for me this was the best way to survive.

Barry Beames (  ) Sep 2008 The education was one I've never regretted getting but the way was one I would never allow my offspring to undergo.

J S Fox (1946 to 1949) Jun 2007.  I was born at 68 St Georges Ave in 1933.  The school was well run despite austerity of the time and the teachers were very professional as was the school administration.  I was appalled on return from a long overseas employment to find the school being demolished.  This I considered to be a crime.  I have a nice red brick salvaged from the ruins.

David (  ) Nov 2006 Sheppey was my home for 31 years.  Can anyone remember the Sheerness Technical High School for Boys - the worst days of my life looking back, but even so what a super education we were given there.

Stuart Taylor (1958) Feb 2012 W. E. Barnett apart, I was proud to belong to the Tech and liked or respected (seldom both) those that taught me.

Joining the RAF Apprentice Scheme

Leslie John Neaves (1942 to 1945) Apr 2010 I was born in Sittingbourne and went to the Sheerness Technical School until February 1945 when I took the exam and joined the Apprentice School at RAF Halton.

J S Fox (1946 to 1949) Jun 2007  I attended the Tech; becoming an RAF Apprentice in1949, this being the beginning of my career in civil aviation.

Gerald Law (1955-1960) Nov 2010 I have just come across this site while researching my family tree.  I lived in Sittingbourne but attended Sheerness Tech until I left in 1960 to join the RAF Apprentice School at Halton.

Kings Ferry Bridge – Hit by Boat

Gerald Law (1955-1960) Nov 2010 Twice during that time the old (pivotal) King's Ferry Bridge got hit and stuck in the up position and we had to go home by tug from Sheerness Dockyard via Gillingham.  Still, at least we got a week off school each time.

Peter G Howard (  ) Jul 2007  Originally from Queensborough, I can remember being taken on a school trip from the Sheerness Technical School for Boys when the prior ferry bridge was being built and writing my name in the wet cement of the left hand tower when coming onto the island.  I can remember the one before that when it was hit by a boat and the island was cut off from the mainland for 3 days. 

Reunions

d.mel (1942 to 1945) Nov 2011 I will be attending the reunion on Saturday.  Hope that you “Leslie Neaves” might be there.

Les Neaves (1941-1945) May 2011 Once again I am trying to locate anyone who went to the Sheerness Technical School.  I was born in Sittingbourne and travelled each day to school.  My e-mail is leslie@neaves.me.uk.  I remember we had to go to the school next to us to use their gym and also in the summer we would use the old swimming baths as there was no roof on it.

Miscellaneous

carol@eagleclose.com  Guest Jul-2011 Gordon my brother went to the Technical School when Mr Barnett was head - I was then Carol Carter.

Graham (  ) Sep 2009 Does anyone know or remember Ronald Bentley.  He was the son of Ted Bentley the bus driver, and went to Sheerness Tech School.

Islander (1963) Mar 2013 I was in the St Johns Ambulance Brigade and went to Sheerness Technical School until 1963.

Gerald Law (1955-1960) Feb 2011 I have found my old school reports from those far off days and discovered that L G (Algy) Welland was my Form Master in 1958!  More significant is that, while researching my family tree recently, I found that he and I were actually related, although that wasn't known at the time.  In fact we were 3rd cousins, once removed.  How is that for Serendipity?

R Betts Sep 2004 I didn't like the school, but was very sad to see such a wonderful building torn down.

Sir William Penney the nuclear physicist was one of the most famous old boys.

Colin Haggart (  ) Jul-2011 I remember Owen (Jack) Ryder teaching at Sir Thomas Cheyney Middle School in the early 1970s.

J Edwards (  ) Jul 2011 Rodd Hull was a pupil at the old Tech school. 

Sheerness technical high school for girls

Louie (1960 to 1965) Jul 2011.  I was at the Sheerness Technical High School for Girls (Minster):

•   Purple and yellow uniform (yuck); cloche hats and boaters in the summer (yuck yuck)
•   Lived at Tunstall (Near Sittingbourne) and travelled each day by bus /train/bus.  Front half of train was for the tech boys back half for the girls with public in the middle.  Chaos reigned at Queensborough station as girls and boys ran up and down the platform to jump into the opposite sexes carriages.
•   Good fun but agree absolutely the worst days of my life - except the snow of 1963 (much worse than the 1980's) off school for 7 weeks.

Barry 5X I have included this last comment in the hope that maybe some pupils of the Sheerness Technical School for Girls may join in this topic.  For a couple of years the Girls shared the Sheerness building where the gym was, the playground and other facilities.  They also shared similar experiences (i.e. school dinners) and the train journeys to and from Sittingbourne before and after they moved to Minster.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: colin haggart on June 20, 2013, 22:37:11
Barry 5x, you mentioned John Moss, is that the same John Moss who was the head of music at the Sheppey School?
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Barry 5X on June 21, 2013, 13:10:47
Colin,

With regards to your reply #60

“Barry 5x, you mentioned John Moss, is that the same John Moss wo was the head of music at the Sheppey School?”

I have no knowledge of John Moss.  What I have done is simply copied comments from “Trevor Edwards Photo Gallery" titled “Tech School Sheerness” and reorganised them below.
 
By using the following link

http://www.pbase.com/luckytrev/image/29287310/medium

you will find that a “Tim Oxley” commented on the 6th Oct 2011 @ 22:49 the following text:

Fellow members at the time included Colin (Dumpy) Morris (now Dr) who did an excellent Benny Hill impression, Andy Simler, a really talented Euphonium player, John Moss, Terry (Rusty) Purvis, Mark Reader, Derek (Drac) Hall.

Sorry I cannot be of greater assistance.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Bryn Clinch on June 21, 2013, 15:38:33
I think you possibly have the correct John Moss. I was once given this name as a local deputising organist.
Also I recall Andrew Simler, as I was once a close neighbour of his parents. I believe he eventually became an electrical engineer.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Barry 5X on June 21, 2013, 21:31:09
Memories of Mr. Mac Arthur (Mac)

One of Mac's favourite sayings was his reference to the white lubrication fluid used on the milling, lathe and cutting machines which he always referred to as "Pigeons Milk"  I wonder if anyone else can remember this.

One advantage of taking metalwork lessons (for the daily school train commuters to and from Sittingbourne) was that you could make "Allen Keys" in Mac's class (unknown to him) so that you could unlock the railway carriage doors.   For the morning and afternoon school train journeys the guards would lock the interconnecting carriage doors to separate the boys and girls of Sheerness Technical School from each other, and from the normal travellers who would normally occupy the centre carriages of the train.  By having a key you could move freely through the train unlocking and relocking the doors as you went.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: colin haggart on June 22, 2013, 16:51:50
Thankyou Bryn Clinch, I didn't know that John Moss played the organ, if it is the same John Moss as I know. I guess that there may be two people called John Moss, either related, ie, father and son or not related. The John Moss I refer to wore glasses and he was head of music in the mid 1970s when Miss Bradley and Mrs. Cassell tought music at the Sheppey School.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: GerryL on September 24, 2013, 14:16:15
Hi Barry 5x
As you can see, I joined the Forum after meeting you at the Halton Triennial last Saturday. Looking at the photos, I am standing immediately behind Barnett, the only boy not wearing a black blazer (no idea why that was!). I agree with the general thread that Barnett was a strict man and at the time I feared rather than respected him. But I think that he instilled in me an approach to discipline that stood me in good stead at Halton. As to the Houses, I recall that they were called: Anson, Drake, Nelson and Grenville, but I cannot remember the colours of each, other than that they were yellow, green, blue and red. I was in Anson. Anyway, good to see you at Halton, keep well.
Gerald
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: John38 on October 24, 2013, 20:47:31
It only occurred to me recently that the ratio of students to teachers at Sheerness Tech was amazing. Particularly when compared to modern teaching

In 1951 - 1954 there were 6 classes (1a 1b, 2a 2b, 3a 3b) assuming 30 boys per class = 180 boys total in the school.
Because Physics and Maths were broken down into their constituent elements, the teachers were arranged thus

1/ Principal                        Mr Harper
2/Headmaster/Arithmetic   Mr Kitkat
3/PE/Games/Eng Lang       Mr Holt
4/Eng Lit                          Mrs Byers
5/Electricity                      Mr Chester
6/Heat & Sound                Mr Garside (spl?)
7/Mechanics & Heat          Mr Duddle
8/History & Geography      Mr Tulip
9/Technical Drawing          Mr Bailly(?)
10/Metal Work                  Mr MacArthur
11/Woodwork                   Mr Ryder
12/Algebra                       Mr Flaharty (spl?)
13/ Geometry                   Mr ?
14/ Trigonometry              Mr?
15/ Chemistry                   ?
16/ Biology                       ?
So we are looking at a ratio of between 13:1 and 15:1

Which begs the question, why did I always come bottom of the (b) stream?
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on October 25, 2013, 18:19:20
Was there a 6th form then?
When I joined the staff I was told that for the staffing allowance, each lad in the 6th form was equivalent to 6 boys allowance in the lower school hence the good staffing allowance.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: John38 on October 25, 2013, 19:57:41
No there wasn't CDP, to the best of my stupid memory.

The odd lad stayed on - John Shoesmith, for example, who was a total genius, and a thoroughly nice sort. I imagine he went on to University. But I never met any kids that went to university in those days

We took the exam to start at the Tech at 13 yrs and left in our 15/16th year.

What did you teach? If you don't mind me asking.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on October 26, 2013, 23:55:52
I was originally employed to teach Metalwork, Woodwork and Technical Drawing but after one year I was upgraded to Mathematics and Mechanics and when Mr. Duddle left I took his place as Head of Mathematics, Mechanics and the Sixth Form.
Mr. Barnett the head was a great believer in having old Tech. boys on his staff with worldide experience and, as I had served an appenticeship in the Dockyard, been to sea as an Engineer, worked for Pilkingtons as a Work Study Engineer, I was in, as they say.
Mr. B was not keen on teachers leaving school, going to College and then back to school to teach with no real life experience.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: John38 on October 27, 2013, 11:49:54
Thanks for the explanation CDP, really interesting.

Modern times could do with lots of Mr Barnett's then, not to mention teacher's of your ilk.

I can remember 'Joe' Duddle going mad when he got the wrong reply...
"What is the Initial Velocity  if we drop a stone from a balloon that is...?"
"Cor, that's bloody dangerous, sir!"

He always had a peculiar way of saying Copper Calorimeter, which we all mimicked (when he was out of earshot}.

McArthur the Metal Work teacher really didn't like me very much, until he met my father during the 'Floods' when the Tech was used as an emergency centre. My father was a Marine Engineer. That raised my status considerably from 'Totally useless' to 'Useless'.

I should tell you that I was probably the worst student they ever had - coming bottom in everything. It took me ages to realise Algebra wasn't a language subject!
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on October 28, 2013, 19:19:51
Re Mr. Barnett wanting ex- Sheerness Tech boys as teachers in the Tech. As far as I can remember these teachers at this school were ex-tech.
Colin Penney, Brian Palmer, Trevor Lifton, Les Bryant ?, Tony Clenaghen ,+++
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: colin haggart on October 28, 2013, 19:59:33
CDP, did Les Bryant teach at Sir Thomas Cheyney Middle School in the early 1970s? If so, he was my form teacher.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: John38 on October 29, 2013, 10:27:30
Mr Barnett for  S of S for Education, would have been productive!

Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on October 29, 2013, 12:20:43
Colin H, Les Bryant was certainly at the Tech when I was there from 1962 to 1970. He then moved up to the Sheppey Comprehensive if my memory serves me OK.
Then I believe he was on holiday in the States and was very, very ill.

We were all in the staff room one day and a small lad knocked on the door and asked to see Mr. Buller. After a long discussion we discovered that he meant Mr. Bryant. It appears most of the lads were so used to him with his bull....... hence the new lad only knew him as that !!

Les had done everything that had been done, been everywhere, he had the Tee Shirt, photos of it, signed by him/Her, etc, etc, etc.
He was an excellent teacher (woodwork and electricity were his hobbies ) and always wiling to help the school Clubs, school plays, school band, etc, etc.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Barry 5X on October 29, 2013, 19:00:15
7 months ago I posted a gallery of teachers /staff of the Sheerness Technical School taken from a 1960 school photo.

I believe I have identified all apart from 3 people.

Can anyone assist?

Barry 5X
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: John38 on October 30, 2013, 09:40:44
The middle one is 'Tim' Holt. He taught PE/Games/English Language (Mrs Byers taught Eng Lit)
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: John38 on October 30, 2013, 09:43:36
I have a feeling #2 is 'Fred' Tulip (Geog & Hist) ....not sure though.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on November 06, 2013, 15:19:56
During the schools Sports Day the teachers had to act as timekepers and judges for the race events etc. My job, as an ex-metalwork  teacher was to invent, make and maintain a fun water game. This was a tilting framework and a largish paddle type thing connected to a bucket full of water and one lad carrying another on his back had to tilt at this large paddle which upended the bucket full of water with the lads passing by without them getting wet.
(An impossible task !!!! )  and they all got very wet even though I explained that it was possible if they run faster. Mr. Barnett almost agreed to try this, much to the boys delight, but he said " later".
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: John38 on November 06, 2013, 15:38:29
I can just imagine it! Great fun!
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Barry 5X on November 07, 2013, 16:27:22
Updated gallery of Sheerness Teachers and Staff - taken from 1960 School Photograph.  Hope it is correct.

Unfortunately although I remember the face I have no name for the teacher (top left next to secretary) 

Possible names that have been suggested:

Fred Tulip, D J Keohane, Mr Luland ……………..??
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: John38 on November 07, 2013, 19:17:00
Well there must have been a few changes in the 7 years after I left.

In my time 51 - 53: There was no Pottery or French taught. Tim Holt the PE teacher and our form master taught Eng Lang not Maths. Jack Ryder only taught woodwork. Joe Duddle only taught Physics.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on November 07, 2013, 19:52:34
I am sure that the missing name was Keohane (not sure how to spell the name!). I joined the staff in 1962 and never met some of the chaps.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: gerry4962 on November 08, 2013, 20:32:38
I was at the Tech from about 1960-67, leaving to go on to Kings College of London University. These posts have brought back many memories, especially of the tubular bells which I had the job of ringing for my last year. I especially enjoyed the "Ring off" at the end of term/year. Several of us in my year went off to university. I remember the Engine room in the science block at the back with a gas engine, diesel engine and stress testing machines.  I later went on to join Kent Police and one day stopped Jim Bryant the woodwork teacher whilst I was on motorcycle patrol much to his horror. They were hard schooldays but I think gave us a good work ethic and attitude. However the methods wouldn't be acceptable these days. perhaps that`s what 's missing. I think the one un-named person might be Mr Keohane, who taught history but I can`t be certain. Trevor Lifton I think also taught metalwork.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Pete Beach on November 11, 2013, 15:51:47
I was at the Tech 1966 to 1970 and remember it as a fun time even with the prospect of Bill Barnett catching you doing something terrible like talking to someone during class. My Brother Dave Beach was there a few years earlier and had thoroughly hated it having continual run-ins with Barnetts cane. Therefore the name Beach was well known and Bill Barnett marked my card the first opportunity he had. It did get me working though and I was happy to do homework and everything else because I ended up with reasonable results. Going to the comp after it closed was a bit of a shock and I don't think it really did me any favours academically. I ended up going to Art College which I enjoyed also, but have always wondered what would have happened if the Tech hadn't closed.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Barry 5X on November 19, 2013, 17:35:26
Was Sheerness Tech classified as a “High” School?

Interesting to note that on Wikipedia there is a hyperlink on the “William Penney, Baron Penney” page
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Penney,_Baron_Penney) to the “Sheerness Technical High School for Boys” page
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheerness_Technical_High_School_for_Boys)

I have often wondered what the correct title for the Sheerness Tech was.  Was it a “Technical High School” or was it simply called “The Sheerness Technical School”?  Perhaps the “High” was added at some stage.  Does anybody know and can enlighten me on this?

Interested to see the Wikipedia “Sheerness Technical High School” page can only be reached via the hyperlink and not via the “Search Facility”.  Also to note that at this time there is no content on this page.

Disappointed therefore to see that the Arch Enemy “Borden Grammar School” have a Wikipedia page
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borden_Grammar_School) which is beginning to be edited albeit only from 2002 (However I note that there is a Link at the bottom of the page to the Old Bordenians web site which details memories akin to those on this topic).
http://old-bordenians.bordengrammar.kent.sch.uk/

Looking at the content of this topic (and other topics/trends) on the Kent History Forum, one wonders if anyone will take up the challenge to edit the Wikipedia site to reflect the history and demise of the Sheerness Tech, its houses (Drake, Nelson, Anson and _______?), its role in the war, floods and its famous pupil(s) etc.?
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: John38 on November 19, 2013, 17:43:16
It was certainly, "Sheerness Technical School For Boys" when I was there, Barry 1951 - 3 (ish)
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Pete Beach on December 04, 2013, 13:12:04
Hi Barry

The name on the official school photo from 1960 calls it Sheerness Technical School (see attachment). I remember the 4 school houses as Whitworth, Watt, Faraday and the last one escapes me.
cheers
Pete
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: gerry4962 on December 12, 2013, 21:31:09
It became a Technical High School some time after 1960 but before I left in 1966-7
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: John38 on December 18, 2013, 13:36:11
Almost going off thread ... when did teaching end at the Tech? Why was it demolished? Which building replaced it? (Please & Thank you :))
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: busyglen on December 18, 2013, 15:55:18
It is `Technically' ;) going off thread - I don't know what year it closed but it's demise led to the Blackburn Home being built  on the ground as previously the home was housed in prefabricated buildings near the Bus Station.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Minsterboy on December 18, 2013, 16:24:36
Slightly splitting hairs Busyglen, isn't the Blackburn Home on the site of the Broadway Girls School and the Tech School site is the Home's car park?
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: John38 on December 18, 2013, 18:53:56
The Blackburn Home seems reasonable ... a car park = sacrilege. Thank you both :)
 
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: busyglen on December 19, 2013, 14:48:29
Slightly splitting hairs Busyglen, isn't the Blackburn Home on the site of the Broadway Girls School and the Tech School site is the Home's car park?

I don't mind splitting hairs Minsterboy.  :)  You have to remember that I am a Senior Citizen who has lived on Sheppey all my life and it is a job sometimes to remember what was in a specific place before.  You are of course perfectly correct.....I was doing it from memory and was trying to imagine the site, minus the Broadway Girls School and the Tech School.  I forgot about the carpark, it all appeared as one to me! ;)
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: busyglen on December 19, 2013, 14:51:10
I must add though, that having visited several people over the years in the `Home' the car park is a godsend, especially if you are taking a handicapped person there or taking someone home etc. 
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: GeraldHughes on February 05, 2014, 15:37:59
In the picture of the staff you list Les Buller Bryant, I believe this was a guy called Hobday, Bryant was an older man.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: GeraldHughes on February 05, 2014, 15:53:00
For the pupil photo these are the ones I think I can remember, those I don't I list as DK (Don't Know). Top row: DK, DK, Shaun O'Rourke, Andy Beckenham, DK, Jim Simler, Davey, Clive Ross, Roger Powell?, Mahon
1st Down: DK, DK, DK, DK, DK, Jones, Frewin (of optician fame), DK, DK
2nd Down: Teachers
Bottom Row: DK, Michael Mead, DK, Bently, Chris Bishop, Mears, Malherbe

Where is the rest of the picture?
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: GeraldHughes on February 05, 2014, 16:04:27
Nobody seems to dwell on the fact that Rod Hull (Minus his Emu) attended Sheerness Tech!!
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: John38 on February 05, 2014, 19:27:47
I knew Rod, from the Saint John's Band, and I went to the Tech, but I don't remember him going to the Tech. However I could well have a memory lapse!
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on February 05, 2014, 19:50:33
I may have mentioned this before but Les Bryant, the woodwork teacher, was a very good teacher who was taught at Goldsmith College, London. He used to work his socks off for the school plays, Parents Evenings etc.
His nickname was "  BULLER " short for bullsh.. because he had seen everything, done everything, had 10 T shirts, etc. etc. etc. No one could find something that he did not have, had seen or had some at home.

But ask him and he would do anything for you and enjoy helping out on any job.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: John38 on February 05, 2014, 20:01:05
He sounds a good sort, CDP.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Barry 5X on February 07, 2014, 14:18:18
Time for Clarifications

Reply #95 queried if a teacher could have been Hobday rather than Les "Buller" Bryant

In reply #46 CDP  stated that Teacher No. 5 was Buller - thus I annotated the photo (introduced at reply #44) accordingly.  From CDP's recent reply on the 5th February 2014 it is clear that he knew Buller well.  So I must assume that the annotated photograph is correct.

Can this be confirmed

Has anyone any clues on Teacher No. 2?

Finally, with regards to the use of the term "High" in Technical High School.  As stated in this thread - the tech was simply the Technical school in the 1960 school photograph.  If the term "High" had been introduced then it was between 1961 (when I left) until the school was closed.  There are members on this thread who were there as teachers and pupils during this period - Can anyone help to resolve this question.

Perhaps the term High was never used and thus the Wikipedia entry on Sir William Penney and his school is in error (and needs correcting).

Can anyone please assist?
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: conan on February 08, 2014, 10:17:22
I started there in 1963 and it was definitely Sheerness Technical High School for Boys then.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: salty_pete on April 10, 2014, 09:53:23
I came across this site during a whimsical 1/2 hr searching Google for my old school. I then regressed into an orgy of nostalgia, bringing up memories from long ago. I was a pupil there from '62 to '69 and have fond memories. I was one of the few who took the train from Kemsley, living in Milton Regis, and usually spent the trip finishing off (or doing) homework, or copying from Ray Webster (I seem to remember his nickname was Tom, I've no idea why) from Iwade. getting the earlier train (that came down from London) in the morning allowed us time to buy fresh hot scones from the bakers in the High Street or walk along the sea front to school, sticking lolly sticks in the telescopes instead of 3d. We also got taken to the shore one day to watch the last barge race down the Thames, plus walking on the sea ice far from shore during that 62-63 winter. I have a particular memory of Jack Ryder using the statistics from the West Indian bowlers Wes Hall & Charlie Griffiths to add relevance to our arithmetic lessons. There was one occasion where a classmate was seriously disrupting the lesson and Jack got him to stand by the blackboard, he was still playing the fool until Jack delivered a right hander to his solar plexus and he collapsed to the floor winded. Obviously not allowed today, but funnily enough no one EVER messed around in Jack's class again. Jack also played the piano in the assembly for the 1st and 2nd years, often hitting two keys at the same time because his fingers were so broad.
The cross country runs to Minster Cliffs and back were an ordeal but one day we were told to run from the school to the playing fields and back along the sea front, the teacher going by road. Soon after we started we found a dead porpoise on the shoreline and three of us thought it would be a jolly wheeze to show teacher. We soon realised it was a bit too heavy to carry all that way. There was a small amusement arcade with an access ramp not too far away and on the ramp was a scooter with a sidecar. I just wish I could have seen the owners face when he came back to find a dead porpoise in the sidecar. I think those horrible winters on the playing fields stood me in good stead when later in the 70's I worked on pipelines in the north of England and Northern Scotland, then 10 years offshore on North Sea platforms was a doddle after that.
One last reverie was from a TD lesson that lasted all afternoon. But a few of us had arranged to meet some girls from the tech in the swimming pool. I understand that the teacher (I can't remember which one) hadn't noticed we didn't come back from the afternoon break until staring out of the window towards the pool he saw that 4 of his class were swimming there instead of in his class.
I took an apprenticeship with a local firm that sent me to day release at Medway Tech College for an ONC. It was there I realised how good the education was I got at Sheerness Tech. The first year was basically revision I'd already covered all the Maths and Applied Maths and the second year too. I ended up with an ONC in Mechanical Engineering with distinctions in all subjects, mainly thanks to Sheerness Tech. I then got accepted to Brighton Polytechnic for a degree course, but succumbed to the wine, women and song (I'm easily distracted) of the town and left after a year. But what a school Sheerness Tech was !
Peter Usher
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Timjen on August 15, 2014, 23:42:02
While having a bit of tidy up, I came across some old photographs taken in the last few days before the Tech closed.

This first one may bring back some memories for a certain CDP. Sorry about the quality, but the film became fogged many years ago.
Pictured are Dave (Tatty Goggles) Burnett and Colin Brooks,with CDP in full flow.

The second shot shows the last School Band. Back row are: Mark Reader, John Moss, Terry (Rusty) Purvis and Tim Oxley.Front row: No idea, Paul? Bellotti ?, ?? King, Ian Bethune, Steve Kavanagh.

If these are of interest, I'll dig some more out.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: conan on August 16, 2014, 09:53:40
That's great Timjen, please post more, the one with the band is wonderful. I remember that stage and the door to the left leading to the cloakroom and the alley at the back of the school. What I don't remember strangely enough is the school having a band, I do remember a piano to the right of the stage....but who played it?
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on August 16, 2014, 12:24:49
Have you any better photos of me please <BG>
At morning assemblies that piano was played by Mr. (Bill) Ralph and sometimes by the Head, Mr. Barnett.
Derek Gallagher was also in the School Band and, when he left school, was a founder member of The Kent Pollce Band. I was with Derek last month talking over old times and he said that his son was the founder of a childrens TV program now being shown.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Timjen on August 16, 2014, 22:13:30
Sorry CDP, that is the only image you feature in. The film was fogged in the first place and 44 years has taken it's toll on the negatives.

Thank you for the comment conan, here are some more.

The first one shows Owen "Jack" Ryder in the woodwork shop. I have no idea who the boys are.

The second one is Mr Ryder again, walking past room 4. You can clearly see the school was being boxed up, ready for closure.

The third one shows Mr Ashrafi in the physics lab

And finally for today, Brian Palmer and Terry Spice. I have no idea how I've got this negative, I certainly didn't take the picture. I may have "borrowed" it from CDP's dark room.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Timjen on August 16, 2014, 22:20:09
Well that's embarrassing, I attached the images and they have vanished?
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Bryn Clinch on August 17, 2014, 06:40:27
Probably too largeTimjen. Try reducing to 800 or less.
http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=13925.0
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Timjen on August 17, 2014, 19:20:11
Thank you, here are the images in the order listed below.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Timjen on August 17, 2014, 20:18:13
Sorry about the confusion over image size.

The first shows the Physics lab. From left to right are John Nurden, Glen Rogers, with Robin George doing his best "Clonk" Clenaghan impression.

Second was taken at the old Sheerness swimming pool, with the older school building in the background.

Third was taken in room 5 I think, again sorry for the quality, it also suffered light fogging. Pictured are Phil Goodwin, unknown, Ivan Hurket, Terry Pack, Colin Brooks, unknown, and Filmer Wellard.

And finally, the gym, and the world famous "below knee football". Left to right, Filmer Wellard, Ralph Leach?, Barry Spokes, Peter Glock, John Nurden, Terry Spice.

I'll keep digging to see if there are any more, if you're interested.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: John38 on August 17, 2014, 22:14:21
Really interesting - keep 'em coming!
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: conan on August 18, 2014, 14:25:13
That's a great set of photos Timjen. Lovely to see the old interiors again, Owen 'Jack' Ryder striding away from what was Jim Hutleys geography room, the old physics lab, and the gym with below knee football that I spent the first year convinced was called baloney football, a bench on its side was the goal. The gym was also used as the meeting place for the school scouts [9th Sheppey] so seeing the picture of Brian 'Dobbin' Palmer who was the scoutmaster and Terry Spice who was assistant together was rather neat.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Timjen on August 20, 2014, 23:31:33
Thank you conan and John38. I laughed at the baloney football comment, I thought exactly the same thing.

Here are a few more memories.

The first image is Terry Spice again at the old swimming pool, standing between the main pool and the learners pool.

The second one is Biffo Jackson.The group to the right are Robin George, Keith Thompson and Ashley Underwood. Next row down are ?? White and I think Trevor Watkins.

The third image is the band again, practicing in the corner of the main hall.

And finally, Robert Grimsdale hanging off of the diving board.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: conan on August 21, 2014, 15:01:40
Another great set of photos Timjen, I'd forgotten the swimming pool had a learners bit. I notice the fountain (situated behind Terry Spice`s head) is not running. Good to see an image of Biffo Jackson, history teacher and all round nice man, he was the third man involved with scouts. One memory of him happened just after I'd left the school and was on scout summer camp in north Wales. Brian Palmer and Terry Spice had gone off somewhere and Biffo announced to me that we`d better go and look for them. Ten minutes later we were in the local pub and I was being treated to a welcome, if somewhat underage pint......
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Timjen on August 21, 2014, 23:09:40
Thank you again conan. I think the picture with Mr Jackson is quite poignant. He of course is sadly no longer with us, but also the only thing in the whole picture which remains unchanged is the Catholic Church, just visible in the background.

He taught us economics as well as history and I remember having to buy financial newspapers from Derek Lynch, a really lovely man, who continued to operate the newsagents in the Broadway for some time after Mr Snook sold up. Here's another shot of  Mr Jackson.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: conan on August 22, 2014, 14:04:57
Thanks for the memories Timjen, I didn't know Biffo had passed away but then I've been out of the loop as far as the old place is concerned since I left, unlamented, in 1969. Was the newsagents you mentioned the one opposite the school?, I remember the owner used to sell individual fags and a red match for thruppence, thus helping an addiction that I still curse 45 years later. I must admit that when I went back some years ago and saw what ''they'' had done not only to the Broadway but to much of the rest of the town, I nearly wept. Sometimes progress and the march of time can really get one down.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Timjen on August 22, 2014, 22:52:44
conan, the newsagents I was referring to was called Snooks when I was a boy in Sheerness, next door to W H Barons TV shop, near to the town clock. They had another shop in the High Street. Derek Lynch bought the business and later it became Sheerness Travel Agency.

The shop opposite the school on the corner of Meyrick Road was called "Fletchers" in my time. They lived on the premises and it always amused me that Mr Fletcher would work in the shop in his carpet slippers.

Here are a few more.

The first one shows fellow band member Mark Reader. I think it was taken in the room at the top of the left hand stairs. Behind the window would be the corridor leading to the staff room and woodwork shop.

Number two is another gym shot of below knee football, showing the wall bars.

And finally, Phil Goodwin having a break.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: conan on August 23, 2014, 09:26:05
I put this photo up sometime ago on the scout page but it has disappeared into the wastes of cyberland.It shows the school scout troop and a visiting Dutch troop in, I guess, 68 or 69 up at the school playing field, the canal bank is behind. Unfortunately nobody is immediately recognisable although I believe the scout on the right next to the lad in the red top could be Albert Port.

(http://i.imgur.com/JrHTJ8Vl.jpg)
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: conan on November 26, 2014, 15:00:36
The Tech ran a house system whilst I was there and recently I have been racking my brains trying to remember not only my own house but the names of the others. All I can remember is that they were named after famous engineers or scientists. Any one got any ideas?
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on December 07, 2014, 11:57:38
Another little snippet. Mr. Barnett decided to use the Kent Football Scheme whereby the County would loan the Tech a qualified super coach for the school`s football team.
They were doing very well and very keen on the game and Mr. B thought a special footballer would help them more.
After a week or two Mr. B happened to pass the changing rooms and he heard this specialist training the team on different methods on how to foul your opponent and get away with it.
Mr. B  burst into the changing room and told the coach to leave and not come back, ever.
Mr. B did think of his boys !!!!
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on February 19, 2015, 12:07:25
O.R. was a very good considerate teacher and thought the world of the children and when he was thinking about his retirement I was able to offer him promotion in the Mathematics Department (which would of course increase his pension) .
This was refused by the head and at a meeting with the head he said at the Technical School, where OR was the woodwork teacher, there was an error in the stock costing for his wood.

The reason was, when a lad had completed his little woodworking task, O.R would ask the lad for, say 2d, to pay for the wood if the boy wanted to buy it, take it home and and proudly show his parents. Often the boy would sadly say that he had no money, to which OR would say to the lad "Take it home son but don't tell anyone you did not pay for it".
Hence at stock taking it was always short and would never balance up.

And after explaining this to the head OR received his well earned promotion.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on June 15, 2015, 19:25:55
When I first thought about becoming a Teacher, it was also the same year that  the Teaching Qualification changed from two years to a three year college course. So when I applied very few teachers were out on the market, mainly those who were changing schools etc.
So when I applied for a teaching post, instead of an applicant going to all the various schools to be interviewed I had to sit in the centre of a very large hall in Maidstone with all of the Head Teachers and Heads of Department sitting on the outside looking in to me and asking me questions about my CV, qualifications, ambitions, etc. etc., and then dropping out when they had decided if they did not want me.
This method did not appeal to me so I  decided to rethink my approach.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on July 07, 2015, 12:34:39
Sheerness Technical High School Scouts approximately 1968
Scoutmaster was Brian Palmer .
Can you help with naming these lads please
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: conan on July 07, 2015, 13:43:19
I would love to try and help you CDP but unfortunately there's no photograph showing.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on July 07, 2015, 19:47:48
Sheerness Technical High School Scouts approximately 1968
Scoutmaster was Brian Palmer .
Can you help with naming these lads please
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: conan on July 08, 2015, 13:28:24
With regard to the scout pictures; Sorry, but I can only definitely recognise 2 of the lads. 2nd from left back row with glasses is Albert Port who was the troop leader and 1st right also back row is Dave Harris. The chap middle back row I believe is a lad called Howland? I also have a suspicion that the lad 3rd from right front row is me.

Here's a photo of me and a Dutch exchange scout who stayed with me in, I believe, 1968.  There's another photo at reply 117 of this thread.

(http://i.imgur.com/Q0ahjWil.jpg)

The scout troop was the 9th Sheppey and met in the school gym. We had a store shed in the old air raid shelters. Brian Palmer was the Scout master and both 'Biffo' Jackson and Terry Spice were assistants.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on July 30, 2015, 12:19:22
The only time that Mr. Barnett grumbled at me was in 1966 .This day he came into my classroom and asked me to go to his office and he looked a little cross. He then sat in his large chair and said that everyone should have an ambition in life, something to always aim for, and I have now ruined his life. He said his ambition was to get one of his Tech boys not only into Imperial College but also on a Scholarship and he just heard that Melvin Ward had achieved this and so I had ruined Mr.Barnett`s life ambition. He then laughed and said I would have to help him find another life ambition.
The Scholarship was (only) worth £50 but it did guarantee a place in the Hall of Residence for the student. Melvin was very pleased with this.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on August 27, 2015, 12:06:31
Thursday, February 2016 at 2pm at Bluetown Heritage Centre. The subject is "The Technical School for Boys". Come along and share your memories.
For more data contact The Heritage Centre,  phone or see web page.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: conan on November 12, 2015, 14:07:06
Reading in the news about the mass fainting fit in a Ripon school assembly I was reminded of the many times boys would faint during the assemblies at the Tech.It seemed to happen fairly often and the outcome was always the same the poor lad would be carried outside whilst the rest of us would be exhorted from the stage to get "up on your toes boys, up on your toes." What good this instruction did we never did work out, but there was a tinge of jealousy that the faintee had got out of what we regarded as a very boring part of the day.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on January 26, 2016, 11:37:23
This is as I remember one of my days as a pupil at the Tech .
During the war some of the older, more sensible boys were asked to be volunteers and act as Fire Wardens in the School from about 6 pm to10 pm, etc., in four hour watches, with a schoolmaster in charge. I, of course, was not selected, but I and two or three friends would arrive at the school to keep our `Watcher` company. It never occured to us that the teacher on watch never mentioned, complained that one lad would play the piano another would try to play the set of bells (used to notify the change of lesson time) and the other lads would roam the school to investigate cupboards, etc.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on February 02, 2016, 12:44:49
TEACHERS AT THE SHEERNESS  TECH' 1962 TO 1970 .

JIM  B HUTLEY   JOHN BEATTIE   LES V BRYANT   ALAN C SAYER
TONY A CLENAGHEN    COLIN D PENNEY    ERIC A WRIGHT
ALAN C SAYER   NORMAN H BROMHAM   GEORGE A BROWN
LES G MILLEN      BRIAN L PALMER         TERRY E A SPICE
ALGY (LG) WELLAND     SULTAN ASHRAFI   CHARLES DUDDLE
GEORGE(JAKE) JACKSON    MRS F R NEWBY        OWEN J RYDER   

TREVOR N COSTIN   F G M EVANS   WILLIAM J A RALPH
M HAYNES-SMALLBONE              J P BERTRAM         P BOYCE
ARTHUR CASTLE   JOHN MULLET  JOHN THOMPSON
L D LISGARTEN   CHRIS SEARS
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on February 16, 2016, 10:36:57
Approximately in 1967, some of the sixth formers decided that for a laugh (for the whole school) that when they came back after the long summer holiday they would appear as young lookalike Mr. Barnetts with a hair and moustache similar to the Heads`.
The whole school thought it was very good and very funny BUT, when the head eventually spotted it he really went beserk and told the lads in no uncertain terms that they were boys and not men in his school and if they were men they should leave the building.
Needless to say the next day they were boys again.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on May 11, 2016, 16:07:08
A few years before the Sheerness Tech school shut down in 1970 and became part of the new Sheppey Comprehensive school, the teachers at the Tech were invited to take part in a new scheme for 6th form teachers, who were invited to take part in various projects to try to give the pupils a different interest subject to study from their main study subject.
These were studied at The Teacher Training  Eversley College at Folkestone. I chose Amateur Radio, understanding how to build and maintain a one valve and two valve radio set.
When I returned to the Tech I.started up an after-school class in amatuer radio and also passed the C & G radios at Rochester on listening and transmitting and my call sign is G7IAU.
At one stage we had to erect  an antenna  as high and as long as possible for the maximum effect. After a long survey of the surroudings we decided on a very high and long wire running from the Tech to the Old Broadway School, which was very, very high .Two of the strongest, fearless, keenest  6th formers then climbed on to the roof of the Broadway School and set up our antenna.
We then watched this long wire during the playtime but no one from the school noticed it and any work on it had to be carried out when the school was closed as we thought if the wire was spotted, the lads would throw anything and everything at it to try to bring it down .

There was of course no 'elf & Safety in those days
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Barry 5X on July 19, 2016, 13:46:18
There were many Sheerness Tech boys who joined the RAF Apprentices or Boy Entrant schemes.  I was one

By chance I found the following information online:

Kent Technical School Boys who became RAF Aircraft Apprentices.

252 boys arrived at RAF Halton, Wendover on the 21st August 1945 to join the 51st Entry.  They graduated on the 28th July 1948.  Among them were the pupils from the:

Sheerness Technical School
Ken Savage, Vic Nodder & Al Richardson   

Within the 51st entry were also boys from the:

Chatham Technical School
Jimmy Manington, Vic Fairbrother & Len Atkinson

Full details can be found on the following link:

http://www.51stentry.co.uk/entdet.htm

Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Dave Smith on July 20, 2016, 20:07:26
So, Barry, you are the Senior member. I was 55th ( Entry rep), Grandarog was 86th - a mere sprog! We had a Chatham Tech. (was that called Holcombe in my day?) lad, Jack Knell, came from Rainham. My main secondary schooling was at Gillingham County but as an apprentice at Shorts, - 1 day, 1 evening - at Medway Tech., Gillingham: Aug.1945 - Jan. 1947.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Barry 5X on July 21, 2016, 23:38:23
Dave,

Sorry to disappoint you but I joined the RAF as an apprentice in 1961 as a member of the 99th Entry at Halton.

As stated in a previous message in 2013 (now archived) I joined this thread for a couple of reasons; the main one being the fact that my brother Brian and I both shared the same experience of attending the Sheerness Technical School, each leaving school to briefly work on a farm and then joining the RAF as teenagers. 

Brian Fagg, born in 1931 would have been at the Tech between 1943 and 1946 - whereas born in 1944 I was there between 1955 and 1961.  We were both taught by the following teachers; Kitcatt, MacArthur, and Joe Duddle; albeit 13 years apart.  As for the RAF trades we both became Aircraft Instrument Fitters; Brian joined as a Boy Entrant in 1946 and I joined as a Halton Apprentice in 1961.

Noting the various messages on this thread from ex Sheerness Tech pupils who joined the RAF, on finding the info about the 51st entry at Halton I simply posted it in case someone recognised the names. 

It is possible the Sheerness Tech pupils of the 51st may have known my brother who lived at the Wheatsheaf Inn at Warden Bay at the time.  He informed me he often played truant from the Tech whenever he had Algebra lessons.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Barry 5X on August 09, 2016, 15:42:55
Did the "The Technical School for Boys" event scheduled for February 2016 at the Bluetown Heritage Centre take place and if so did anyone on this forum go?

Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Barry 5X on September 05, 2016, 22:27:14
Result.

By Googling “Sheerness Tech Reunion 2016” I have come across two web site references to the 2016 reunion.

https://www.facebook.com/SheernessTimesGuardian/photos/a.10150120312262468.331611.126840677467/10154603128812468/?type=3&theater

Which was Posted 24 February

Did you go to the old Boys’ Tech School? There’s a reunion for all former pupils tomorrow night (Thursday) at the Criterion Theatre in Blue Town Heritage Centre.
The evening will be hosted by Terry Spice, a former pupil of the Sheerness Technical High School for Boys who went on to teach PE there.
The school, which was in Sheerness Broadway, closed in 1970 and pupils were transferred to the new Sheppey Comprehensive. The building was demolished in 1975 to make way for Blackburn Lodge residential home.
The event starts at 7.30pm. Centre owner Jenny Hurkett tells us: "Admission is free. All we ask is that you bring your memories to share.”
For more information call 01795 662981.
Share your memories and photos with us, too. Email jnurden@thekmgroup.co.uk

The second web site below gives a detailed account of the reunion (with photos) written by ex tech boy - journalist John Nurden.

https://nurdensnotebook.wordpress.com/2016/03/02/are-school-days-really-the-best-days-of-your-life/

I knew Terry Spice as he was in my class (sitting 5 places to the left of Mrs Beer in the 1960 school photograph).  Sadly I missed the notice about the reunion otherwise I would have made an attempt to attend from the wilds of East Anglia.  Having attended many RAF reunions I realise how rewarding they are, with conversations starting where they left off many years ago when we were teenagers.  Maybe next time?
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Timjen on September 16, 2016, 22:30:00
I've just found this photo which is from around 1964. The only faces I recognise are William "Bill" Barnett, Owen "Jack" Ryder, and on trombone, Rob "Drac" Hills. It's certainly before my time, 1965-70. Rob was our band leader for the first few years in the school band, but the other faces, while some are familiar, were a few years older.

I'm not proud of how this picture came into my possession, I actually pinched it from CDP's darkroom in the corner of the main hall, so I know it was produced at the school on the Gnome enlarger, sorry CDP.

Can anyone come up with any other names?
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on September 17, 2016, 12:46:30
I always wondered what happened to that photo and no, I don't want it back thanks, but many thanks for showing it, it will bring back a few memories to lots of us.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: MelvynW on December 23, 2016, 21:31:33
My name is Melvyn Ward and I attended Sheerness Tech from 1960 to 1968 and went on to Imperial College to study Electrical Engineering from 1968 to 1971. I have just recently discovered this forum and will make several posts that may interest some of you. I was sent a copy of the band photograph by Colin Lowe who is on the right of the row next to the back with the Euphonium. I am next to him although you can barely see me since I was, at that time, rather small! The only other band member we were able to identify on the photo is Robert Waring (3rd from the left middle row). We had a common connection in that we all leant to play brass intruments at Sittingbourne Salvation Army. The teacher who started the band (Chris Sears) was the bandmaster at Gillingham Salvation Army. He didn't tell us this for some reason but we met him at a Salvation Army regional event. Colin Lowe now lives in Bournemouth. I visited him this year having not seen him for many years. He is still a keen member of the Salvation Army and plays in a very good band there. The best I can do now is occasional trumpet playing, mainly for pleasure, of dubious quality!
Although I recognise other faces in the pictures, I cannot put names to them. I now live in Leeds never having returned to Kent to live after graduating. Other past pupils of Sheerness Tech that I am still in contact with are Mike Moss, Phil Stoor, Peter Vigar and Peter Coveney who I met up with this year having not met for about 60 years!
I'll stop for now and post further in the New Year.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on December 29, 2016, 16:07:24
Re the last photo, I think Alan Hill? 4th row, 3rd from left and Derek Gallagher, 5th row top, 1st left.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on August 01, 2017, 16:07:25


SOME TEACHERS AT THE SHEERNESS  TECH' 1962 TO 1970 .

JIM  B HUTLEY   JOHN BEATTIE   LES V BRYANT   ALAN C SAYER
TONY A CLENAGHEN    COLIN D PENNEY    ERIC A WRIGHT
ALAN C SAYER   NORMAN H BROMHAM   GEORGE A BROWN
LES G MILLEN      BRIAN L PALMER         TERRY E A SPICE
ALGY (LG) WELLAND     SULTAN ASHRAFI   CHARLES DUDDLE
GEORGE(JAKE) JACKSON    MRS F R NEWBY        OWEN J RYDER   

TREVOR N COSTIN   F G M EVANS   WILLIAM J A RALPH
M HAYNES-SMALLBONE              J P BERTRAM         P BOYCE
ARTHUR CASTLE   JOHN MULLET  JOHN THOMPSON
L D LISGARTEN   CHRIS SEARS

Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: colin haggart on August 03, 2017, 17:15:02
Mr. Cassell, I only know from when he had his bookshop.  Mr. Ryder, Mr. Millen and Mr. Bryant I knew at Sir Thomas Cheyne school in 1972.

Mr. Hutley was the head of the Sixth Form at the Sheppey School when I was there. The rest on the list I'm not sure about, although Colin Penney sounds familiar.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on August 04, 2017, 12:34:44
Hello Colin .
It is I, Colin !!
In my younger days I travelled a lot in a car with Colin Smith, Colin Penney, Colin (John ) Attwood and Colin ??
And when anybody  called " Colin ! "   we all replied  " Yes ? "  Happy days .

Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on August 29, 2017, 16:01:38
Is it that time of the year so soon ?? a friend has just reminded me.

Guy came down today and said he is coming on the 30th September - there is a get together of his year of the Tech. school at Sheppey school.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Timjen on December 10, 2017, 14:22:52
CDP, a few years ago you asked if I had any more pictures of you. Well, I didn't think I had any more,  then this one turned up in an old box of bits.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: CDP on December 11, 2017, 13:12:30
Hello Timjen ,
Thanks for the  photo, nice one, ( Thinks !!! should I have been a model instead of a teacher ??)
Only joking

Thanks again, any more ?

CDP aka Colin.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: Timjen on December 11, 2017, 22:30:28
CDP, Models are 10 a penny (no pun intended), quality teachers, very rare. You made the right choice.
Here are a few more from my latest sort out. The first one is Terry Spice, Biffo "Jake" Jackson, and Banger Brown. Next is Mr Jackson talking to someone in the hall. My guess is Jim Hutley. Finally, Mr Johnson outside of the staff room.
Title: Re: Teaching at the Sheerness Tech 1962-1970
Post by: PhilStoor on December 12, 2017, 10:15:05
My name is Phil Stoor and I was at Sheerness Technical High School for Boys from 1960 to 1968. I have contacted Colin by email in the past and am in contact with Melvyn Ward, Graham Bentley, and Peter Coveney. I had very mixed feelings about my school days, but reading the accounts on this post and meeting with Melvyn and Peter recently has been personally enlightening and made me realise how lucky I was to have attended that school, received an education from good teachers, and met such good school friends who enriched my life and also educated me. I realise, especially now, that my individual memory cannot be totally relied upon, but the collective memory can be; and if I am to remember the good times especially I need the collective memory from meeting old friends and this site (thank you Colin). I will make further posts in the new year. Meanwhile I wish everyone a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year