Kent Defences => Radar, Radio, Telecomms & Sound Location => Topic started by: kyn on April 26, 2008, 17:18:27

Title: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: kyn on April 26, 2008, 17:18:27
Here are some pics from the sound mirror and of the pillboxes

(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii34/batgirlphotos/IMG_9463Small.jpg)

(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii34/batgirlphotos/IMG_9467Small.jpg)

(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii34/batgirlphotos/IMG_9476Small.jpg)

(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii34/batgirlphotos/IMG_9488Small.jpg)

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Title: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on July 07, 2008, 13:11:17
An e-mail I recived from RAF Air Defence Radar Museum after an enquiry I made.


"Thanks for your E-mail on the above subject at Warden Point.    
The site was chosen for an Army coast defence (CD) radar in early 1941, to reinforce the radar defences against the expected German seaborne invasion.    
The Royal Air Force had already adapted some of the Army radar once the equipment had demonstrated that it could detect low-flying aircraft as well as ships.    
The title CHL was added to the radars acquired by the RAF, they then being known as CD/CHL stations.  By the autumn of 1940 the Army had identified 135 CD sites covering possible invasion beaches, and gave them the "M" prefix which became standard for the 1.5 metre CD/CHL sites.  Not all of the 135 sites found by the end of 1940 were intended for immediate development, only 90 were considered for immediate construction, with the highest priority being given to those sites facing the enemy, M1 ? M16 on the south coast.  
With a manning state of 23 men (including 9 guards) per site these 16 sites were commissioned before May 1941.

By the end of 1942 the RAF had taken over the responsibility for coast watching radars and used some of the CD sites to fill gaps in its own schedule of CHL stations, with the result that only 38 of the CD ?M? sites would need to be completed.  
By the end of May 1941 Warden Point (M69) was under construction.  
However, by 1 November 1941 none of the CD stations listed as Temporary status (including Warden Point) were operating and for various reasons it was unlikely that any of them were actually provided with radars.

By 1942 the RAF inventory of radars took on a new turn when centimetric equipments became available, of better performance than the previous metric radars.   The line up for CD/CHL  sites was the 16 operational on the south coast (M1 - M16), a further ten planned for Triple Service developments, and 34 sites in the former army chain apparently in limbo.

In short, it looks like Warden Point was put under construction but never finished.  "


So warden Point may never have been Active :-[
Title: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: kyn on December 31, 2008, 12:39:05
(http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii34/batgirlphotos/DSCF1162Small.jpg)

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Title: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on December 31, 2008, 22:04:54
The yellow line is the cliff edge now :(

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Title: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on February 09, 2009, 21:57:05
Found a bit more info :)

http://pastscape.english-heritage.org.uk/hob.aspx?hob_id=1409309&sort=4&search=all&criteria=warden%20point&rational=q&recordsperpage=10
Title: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Trikeman on February 10, 2009, 23:51:55
I think this is the spot - just to the right of the caravans - of course, a lot of the site had been eroded, I guess the 3 pillboxes would have been on or near the site. Can you confirm this is the right spot or was it a bit further along? I've got more pics along the coast. There ia a brick building with a modern mast in next field, but I doubt if there is any connection. Picture was taken in 2005
Trikeman

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Title: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: kyn on February 11, 2009, 08:33:36
Yup, you can see the buildings in the water there.

Also along to the left you can see the remains of the soundmirror lying on the beach.
Title: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: kyn on February 27, 2009, 16:14:11
Tiny bit more info, the buildings started slipping down the cliff in 1971.
Title: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on April 05, 2009, 10:42:25
This was about 71/72.
Its the Main building broken in half.
You can just see the top of the OP (by the trees) in situ  :)

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm223/Paulwp/WardenSprings.jpg)
Title: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on November 24, 2010, 21:07:57
I found this Drawing.

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm223/Paulwp/CHL.jpg)

It looks like Warden Point?
There used to be small wooden posts at Warden as in the pic and it looks like Whitstable in the background.
Also the building layout looks the same.

It could be generic as i dont think Warden had a gantry but it could have had one?
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on March 19, 2011, 14:09:33
Found this 1966 map showing the orientation of the OP/Radar at Warden.. Strange it doesn't show the other buildings, They were there then?

(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm223/Paulwp/Wardenorientation.jpg)
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: holiday maker on December 21, 2011, 18:01:27
Many many thanks for these pictures, me and my younger brother used to walk from Leysdown up to the large building, the land underneath was giving way even then 1965 ish!
We would stand on the roof and look out to the post far out to sea, things were so much more simple in those days.
The tide went out for what seemed like miles to us, we would disappear from our parents for hours only coming back when we were starving for food. We stayed at a chalet camp every year for many many years, I will always remember Leysdown and Sheerness with fond memories, two weeks every years of heaven.

    thankyou thankyou         Kevin
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Islesy on December 22, 2011, 09:49:12
Some interiors - the horizons are straight!

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Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: kyn on December 22, 2011, 22:04:34
It feels horrible entering this one, the tilt always makes me dizzy!
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Islesy on December 22, 2011, 22:12:36
It's certainly entertaining going up and down those steps...
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on December 23, 2011, 08:10:43
It was worse when it was half way up as the tilt wasnt so bad and it made the dizzy feeling really bad like too much Fosters :(
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: kyn on December 23, 2011, 18:38:23
So entertaining I think we need a spring/summer trip here next year :)
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Islesy on December 23, 2011, 18:51:04
Sounds like a plan...
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: kyn on December 23, 2011, 19:02:40
If anyone has contact details for Fletchers Caravan Park nearby can they pass them along, we should be able to arrange a visit there on the same day too!
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: kyn on February 29, 2012, 11:24:10
A plan of the cable layout in Sep 1941
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Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on June 29, 2013, 08:08:05
Did a bit more digging :)

I think the ? could be the TX antenna or it was on the BOP and the RX was at the CHL
If ? was the TX then maybe the cupola on the BOP was for a range finder?
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on July 05, 2013, 11:42:12
The BOP and the Main Building were camouflaged as houses
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Riding With The Angels on August 03, 2013, 22:33:46
From a walk along there today it now looks like the generator building and second half of the main building has (mostly) joined the others on the beach now.

Particularly when compared with the images on this link http://www.discoveringfossils.co.uk/isle_of_sheppey_fossils.htm (http://www.discoveringfossils.co.uk/isle_of_sheppey_fossils.htm)

Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Rochester-bred on August 04, 2013, 12:46:04
Really enjoyed the link, makes me want to beg my brother to get our wellies and go there.
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on August 04, 2013, 13:07:43
Don't need wellies on a nice summer`s day.   Make sure the tide has been out for a couple of hours and stay off the wet/shiney bits.

If you go, take a tape measure and measure the diameter of the ring on the BOP please :)
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: kyn on August 19, 2013, 22:38:39
I like this photo!
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Riding With The Angels on August 19, 2013, 22:41:03
Great image - when was that taken Kyn?
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: kyn on August 19, 2013, 22:57:44
No date unfortunately but I guess late 1970s :)
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Riding With The Angels on August 19, 2013, 23:05:26
It's huge - you don't realise it now it's in pieces!
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: kyn on August 19, 2013, 23:06:37
No you don't, you get a good idea of the size when really close as you can see how wide the bottom is, but you soon forget until you see a picture like this!
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on August 20, 2013, 12:11:50
That's about 1979.  Spent many an hour sitting on that sheltering from the Sheppey wind. :)
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on September 15, 2013, 12:15:22
From a walk along there today it now looks like the generator building and second half of the main building has (mostly) joined the others on the beach now.

Particularly when compared with the images on this link http://www.discoveringfossils.co.uk/isle_of_sheppey_fossils.htm (http://www.discoveringfossils.co.uk/isle_of_sheppey_fossils.htm)

Has anyone got a decent pic of the roof of the building in the foreground?
I'm looking for evidence of a gantry. (looks like it could be some kind of pad)
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Riding With The Angels on September 15, 2013, 12:49:01
I'll have a look Paul but I don't think I have any of the roof. Plenty from every other angle!
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on September 16, 2013, 04:13:55
Thanks,
Same here, just don't think of the roof? :)
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on September 17, 2013, 12:34:09
Proof of Gantry at Warden Point CHL .
And the Type of Radar that was on it..
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on September 17, 2013, 12:36:38
So what was on the cupola ring on the BOP?  :(

More questions than answers........
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Andrew401968 on September 19, 2013, 14:50:24
Could it have been a large range finder on the BOP or radar for detecting surface targets?
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on September 22, 2013, 12:31:14
Did a bit more digging :)

I think the ? could be the TX antenna or it was on the BOP and the RX was at the CHL
If ? was the TX then maybe the cupola on the BOP was for a range finder?
The CHL was for detecting shipping but could also detect low flying aircraft.  I now know TX&RX were on the same antenna, not at the BOP but on the radar building the other side of the road
That's what I was thinking maybe something like this?  (It's got steps going up to it, A bit exposed though...)
It could be that the BOP had a range finder pre radar?

Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: colin haggart on February 15, 2014, 21:09:39
Was this building in my photo of 1986, camouflagued by the grass on the roof to stop it from being seen from the air?

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk90/colinhaggart/colinhaggart010/Wp2Nov1986_zps3c591d46.jpg) (http://s278.photobucket.com/user/colinhaggart/media/colinhaggart010/Wp2Nov1986_zps3c591d46.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: Paul on February 15, 2014, 22:54:56
More like so as not to interfere with the radar and muffle the noise? :)
Generators give off Harmonics.
Title: Re: Warden Chain Home Low Station
Post by: colin haggart on February 15, 2014, 23:01:51
Thanks Paul.