Leisure => Retail => Topic started by: numanfan on February 02, 2010, 21:51:21

Title: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: numanfan on February 02, 2010, 21:51:21
Twydall, 1960.



International Stores, to the left with the striped awning.
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: Uncle on February 03, 2010, 20:13:00
That's a terrific picture, & I concour.....unless there's been some clever 'photoshopping', - I was mistaken! Just out of shot was a bakers that I was often sent to for a 'Long Tin'. On the other side were the older shops that included 'The Copper Kettle' cafe, then a greengrocers, the Co-op grocery store ( Mums divi: 22774)  Arnolds...(many memories - Dinky toys, Hornby, Corgi, bikes, in fact everthing a 7-year old needed!) Another grocers & then I think Jarvis's fish & chip shop...maybe a wool shop, the library, & a chemist I think at the top end...several I just cannot remember. I moved from Maidstone to Twydall in 1958....I thought that the newer shops were a little later than 1960, although I could very well be mistaken. I do remember them being built - as I do the large block of flats/maisonettes at the lower end of the shopping centre in Goudhurst Road. No doubt someone can fill in the blanks............. :)
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: prefabkid on February 13, 2010, 11:46:42
Taken from 1961 Kelly's Directory.
Twydall shops West side 1 to 19,
J SPENSLEY--chemist,PHYLLIS PRIDE--hairdresser,STH EASTERN NEWS--newsagent/post office,J RIX--hardware stores,TREMBETH--bakers,
STUARTS--dyers/cleaners,F JARVIS--fish and chip shop,GILLINGHAM PUBLIC LIBRARY,CO-OP--shoe shop,KEMSLEY'S--butchers,H SLADDEN--butchers,
G BROOKER--fruiterers,WORLD'S STORES--grocers,ARNOLD'S--cycle dealers,TOWNSENDS--drapers,CO-OP--grocers,L D HILL--greengrocers,
THRESHER--off licence,COPPER KETTLE--cafe.

Twydall shops East side 50 to 63,
CROSS--butchers,CONTINENTAL SHOE REPAIRS,PEARKS--provision merc
hants,F BOURNE--bakers,CO-OP--drapers,H J TUFF--chemist,
F W WOOLWORTH,FORBUOYS--newsagents,INTERNATIONAL STORES,J MEYERS--fruiterers,CENTRAL RADIO--radio/tv dealer,
HOME DECORATORS--wallpaper merchants.
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: prefabkid on February 13, 2010, 12:32:48
(http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac290/prefabkid_photos/POSTCARDS/mycollection008.jpg)
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: prefabkid on February 13, 2010, 12:33:42
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Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: prefabkid on February 13, 2010, 12:35:29
(http://i908.photobucket.com/albums/ac290/prefabkid_photos/POSTCARDS/mycollection005.jpg)

All 3 from my own collection.
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: Uncle on February 15, 2010, 20:28:40
Excellent photos - if you look closely..it looks like Spencley the Chemist is stood in his doorway!
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: The Rook on April 07, 2010, 09:11:46
I still call Hempstead Valley the Savacentre.

Absolutely!

Seeing these pictures is amazing. My gran was one of the first tenants in Pluckley Close in Twydall. Seeing and talking about Twydall shops (a place where I did much of my growing up) is great.
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: Mr. Ron on September 10, 2010, 00:54:31
Does anyone know the name, or better still have a photo, of the toy/model shop on the opposite side of the Green?. Filled to the rafters with Airfix kits it was. Across from the chemist, in the corner(ish) i think. Though, frankly, after so many years it could have been half way up the parade on that side.

I do remember there was a tallish slim woman; Pat, who worked in the Chemist for many years in the '70s. She was not a Pharmacist, shop manager?.

I also remember, in 1987, going to a party in a flat on the opposite side from Woolworths. About midnight we were swamped with guys from the pub and someone, feeling things were turning nasty (the clue may have been their urinating on one of our guests!), called the police. They turned up, got rough with the intruders, and broke our record player!.

Frankly, there would of been less trouble if we'd asked them to leave,.

Next morning, Radio Kent were reporting the police had "raided" a party in a flat in Twydall Green. A slight exaggeration, granted it was the height of acid house but c'mon we were just a bunch of pasty effeminate Goths wearing too much make up.

Thanks fellas, we invited you, and you scratched my Sisters of Mercy record. A mint condition is worth 120 and lord knows I wouldn't listen to that c**p now!.

The friend dried out by the way. :)
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: Sad Git on May 19, 2012, 10:08:56
It's lovely to see these old pictures of Twydall Green (even on a Liptons/Rainham thread?) Thanks prefabkid. I remember those shops well. I worked as a delivery boy for International Stores and rode a big iron bike all over Twydall, delivering boxes of groceries.
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: sandi_01 on May 19, 2012, 23:29:57
I used to live in the flat above Pearks with my family for about a year. I have a memory of staring through the railings of the balcony when I was around 4 years old. I moved to Lynsted Road at around the time I started infant school. My parents never told me I was moving...I only found out when they picked me up from school one day, and took me to the new house. Reading this thread has triggered memories I had forgotten about. Riding my three wheeler bike round the shops with my fox terrier Scamp in toe. I had better stop rambling now.

Sandi  :)
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: Jill on January 10, 2013, 15:09:53
I read this thread with great interest. 

I lived above International Stores from 1960-1970.  My Dad (William Sullens) managed International Stores from 1960 to around 1973 and I saw from a previous thread that someone worked there as a delivery boy, I may know the name if you want to post it.  I remember Mr Bullock used to do the delivery van for International Stores in the 60's. 

My Dad has since passed and I'm trying to source any pictures from Twydall Green around the 60's-70's if anyone can help.

It's a shame that the green was made into a car park, I remember many a sunny day being spent on there with my grandmother and sister.

I have such good childhood memories of Twydall at that time
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: Leofwine on January 10, 2013, 15:52:14
The old photos show that the area was once a green ("Twydall Green" - I think the road is still named that) but can anyone remember when the green was dug up and replaced with car parking.  I'm pretty sure it was already a car park by the mid 1970s when I first knew that area.  And should the name now be changed from Twydall Green to Twydall Tarmac? :)
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: Sad Git on January 16, 2013, 10:01:38
I lived above International Stores from 1960-1970.  My Dad (William Sullens) managed International Stores from 1960 to around 1973 and I saw from a previous thread that someone worked there as a delivery boy, I may know the name if you want to post it.  I remember Mr Bullock used to do the delivery van for International Stores in the 60's. 


Hello Jill. I was that delivery boy. I was thirteen and it was my first job (1968-69). Six hours at two and six an hour earned me fifteen shillings a week. Your father was a smashing fella. I have fond memories of him and the good people I knew at International Stores.  Yes, I remember Fred Bullock -  and Mrs Stone who had the delivery van job before him. As for Twydall Green pictures, they're rare. The best of them are here on this thread.
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: Sad Git on January 16, 2013, 10:55:45
can anyone remember when the green was dug up and replaced with car parking.

1973 or early 1974. The car park was new when I parked my first car there in the summer of 1974.
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: Januarygirl on January 17, 2013, 16:11:01
I moved to Twydall in 1969 I think when I was 4 years old and have such fond memories. We lived at the bottom end of Goudhurst Road. I remember a lot of the shops on Twydall Green.

The Copper Kettle for nice cakes, International Stores for the main Saturday shop. I remember the butchers on the end of the row of shops on the Woolworths side (now and Indian restaurant) and had a secret crush for years on the young butcher who worked there with love and hate tattooed on his knuckles. Or did I just love going there because they gave me a rich tea biscuit every time? Woolworths was always such a delight to me. Stocked to the brim with stationary and records and books etc. Also remember the general hardware store next to what is now the Spar, where I used to buy bits of balsa wood to make puppets. And Frank who used to run the hairdressers - he was always so glamourous! Oh and Arnolds the toyshop. What an aladdins cave of toys of all sorts, stacked to the ceiling with dusty boxes of all shapes and size.That was the shop in which my brother tried to swap my baby sister for the cash register! Anyone remember the laundrette, next door but one to Arnolds? And the soapy warm smell when you walked passed it?

I had a paper round in 1979 and used to cover Goudhurst Road, Staplehurst Road, Leeds Square, Twydall Lane, Brenchley Road etc and seem to remember making a fortune from tips that I used to spend in the chippie next to or nearby the chemists. Oh and the library that I used to spent hours in on cold, wet Saturday afternoons. It used to have a tiny little square section for children's books.

Also, does anyone remember the council run playschemes on Beechings Way during school summer hols. What fun we used to have before running home to watch Hammy Hamster. And the travelling gospel tents that used to pitch up for a while. If you attended a service and sung really loud you would get a hole punched in your card and after so many holes, a free Mars Bar!!! It was full to the brim of kids trying to get their free Mars Bar.

My brother was also on the front page of the Evening Post one day for flying his remote control plane on Beechings Green. Some council official made him stop :-(

Would love to hear other memories of Twydall.
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: Sad Git on January 19, 2013, 18:29:17
Or did I just love going there because they gave me a rich tea biscuit every time?

In my day when both Twydall butchers had sawdust on the floor you got one of those four a'penny fruit salad chews. On the other side of the alley from Arnold's there was a wool/childrens' clothing shop. The child mannequins in the window used to give me the shivers. I feared they were one time naughty children. Some nice memories there Januarygirl, I'd forgotten the pleasure of modelling with balsa wood.
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: JohnWalker on January 19, 2013, 19:00:31
There's another photo of one of the shops over on the 'Guess the Place' thread on this forum.  It was Skinners Electrical and Records and then a Blockbusters.  On Google it is shown as a Specialist Wool Shop.  No idea what it is now.  I believe it's number 61.

JW
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: colin haggart on January 20, 2013, 14:02:15
Here is my photo that JohnWalker is referring to.

(http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk90/colinhaggart/Variuos%20photos/SkinnersRecords_zps3ea37ab4.jpg)
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: Sad Git on January 20, 2013, 19:21:57
Thanks John. Thanks Colin. What a sorry sight. In another incarnation I'm sure that shop was a Rumbelows at some time. I bought my first single there in 1968 (In a wonderful decade for music I wasted eight and six on an Ester and Abi Ofarim record). A year later I stood on that same step and watched a rugby international through the window. It was the first time I'd seen a colour telly.
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: JohnWalker on January 20, 2013, 20:04:31
Thanks John. Thanks Colin. What a sorry sight. In another incarnation I'm sure that shop was a Rumbelows at some time. I bought my first single there in 1968 (In a wonderful decade for music I wasted eight and six on an Ester and Abi Ofarim record). A year later I stood on that same step and watched a rugby international through the window. It was the first time I'd seen a colour telly.

Hey Sad Git - that's not you over on the left is it?  Reliving your past   :)  :)  :)

Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: Janetlinda56 on January 20, 2013, 20:20:10
Was Rumbelows next to Woolworth's ?
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Post by: colin haggart on January 21, 2013, 00:45:14
Was Rumbelows next to Woolworth's ?

Not showing  in any of the photos on here. Janetlinda56.
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: Jason on January 21, 2013, 01:35:08
Thanks John. Thanks Colin. What a sorry sight. In another incarnation I'm sure that shop was a Rumbelows at some time. I bought my first single there in 1968 (In a wonderful decade for music I wasted eight and six on an Ester and Abi Ofarim record). A year later I stood on that same step and watched a rugby international through the window. It was the first time I'd seen a colour telly.

Wasn't it Timothy White's for a while too?  I remember the strangely-shaped step outside it.

Was Rumbelows next to Woolworth's ?

I think it was always Forbouys the newsagents.
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: Sad Git on January 21, 2013, 10:56:41
Dear all, there's a brilliant photo at the beginning of this thread that shows these particular shops clearly.


Hey Sad Git - that's not you over on the left is it?  Reliving your past   :)  :)  :)

Yes that's me... wistfully gazing into the window with a tear in my eye, still lamenting the loss of a wasted eight and six.
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: JohnWalker on January 21, 2013, 13:59:00
Blimey Sad Git - Eight Shilling and Sixpence - a fortune in those days - no wonder you still remember it  :)

Just looking back at the brilliant photos on the thread an excellent social record.  Many cars that I remember.  All those bikes too - they were the days where in most cases you could just leave your bike outside while you shopped and it would still be there when you came back out.  Mind you, most bikes in those days weren't worth stealing unlike the hi-tech bikes of today.

JW
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: silkenrobe on April 27, 2013, 13:05:08
Came across this thread looking for old photos of Twydall on google  :)
My parents moved form Canadian Avenue to Doddington Rd, Twydall in 1667, when I was 2.  My sister was born in the same year.
Once my younger sister came along, we moved again to the house next door  :)
I have always known Twydall Green with a car park and it's lovely to see that it was actually green at one point.
I certainly remember the Copper Kettle and their cakes - the elephants feet were lush.
I worked in the Engineers for a short time in my very early twenties and before the murder inside.
My cousin now works in the one pharmacy left.
There used to be 3 butchers and I remember my mum trawling to all 3  :)
Was the Co-op called International? One of the staff members who worked there later worked at the Savacentre when it opened, Pat her name was.
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: BygoneMedway on April 27, 2013, 13:43:21

My parents moved form Canadian Avenue to Doddington Rd, Twydall in 1667, when I was 2.  My sister was born in the same year.


Wow!. You and your sister are doing well for 348 and 346.  :)
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: silkenrobe on April 29, 2013, 07:04:21
LOL, whoops
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: colin haggart on April 29, 2013, 18:26:08
Silkenrobe, please note that in guidelines, it says not to use text speak.
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Post by: carpetsteve on April 29, 2013, 21:07:50
I have a couple of pictures of Twydall Green and have seen one recently without the church in it.
I now own the carpet shop and remember a lot of the old shops as I grew up in Twydall.
Rix's hardware shop, the Home Decorators, Cross butchers, Rumbelows, where two of my friends were managers, Brookers Greengrocers, Bryants Greengrocers, Bowketts, and how we miss Woolies.
Still we have been there since 1974
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: Sad Git on July 28, 2013, 12:12:26
One of the staff members who worked there later worked at the Savacentre when it opened, Pat her name was.

Pat was one of several older teenage girls who worked at International Stores in the late sixties. Mister Sullens was the manager and a proper gentleman he was too. He always adressed the girls as Miss Croft, Miss Yapp, Miss Hayward, Miss Knight etc.


Correction - In an earlier post I incorrectly stated that I'd paid eight shillings and sixpence when buying my first 45 at Skinners/Meyers. I should have said six shillings and eight pence.
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: Ashley on November 10, 2014, 22:04:01
When Twydall was developed it was not envisaged that there would be much car ownership amongst the residents. What is now the car park at the Twydall shops was originally planned to be the site of a cinema which was never built due to the increase of television ownership.
Title: Re: Twydall Shopping Centre
Post by: royston2000 on December 22, 2014, 20:50:12
I moved from Chatham to live in number 28 Twydall Lane, first house on the right coming down from Watling St, in 1952 just before my 10th birthday. The Shopping Centre and the Beechings Estate was not built and Twydall Lane from where the shopping centre is now was still a country lane down to the Lower Rainham Road.

I can remember the shopping centre being built and also enjoyed cakes from the copper kettle. The hardware store, which i think was Rix`s, was where I headed for my cycle accessories and some of my toys. The pharmacy at the top end of the shops provided me with my first camera, a Kodak.

I attended the opening of the Nye Bevan Hall just above the shopping centre and used it for my 21st birthday in 1963