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Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on October 09, 2009, 10:27:27
Can't help with the origins of the name but I went to secondary school at Troy Town for a while back in the fifties. We had a sadistic maths teacher there who sent those who misbehaved (in his warped mind), round to the little corner shop on Cazenuve St to buy the bamboo cane he would get thrashed with!
He gave me and a mate a good hiding on a couple of times one day and got a good hiding himself from my mates Dad.
I left not long after so not sure if it changed his behaviour but I doubt it.
Just another small totally irrelevant tale from years ago. :)
Alan.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Lyn L on January 10, 2010, 16:29:12
That was a good find.

 I was only looking  at a pic of Troy Town school the other day after the new Medway Images archive was linked on here. My husband also went to the school in the 50s , he remembers that sadistic Maths teacher too well , he believes his name was Marchant, but doesn't know what happened to him , also thinks the English teacher was Mr Bailey and maybe the Head Master was Mr Collier. This forum does jog the old grey cells. I remember the building well.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on January 11, 2010, 06:10:29
Jack Marchant was his name. He used to lean out of a window, blow his whistle then shout "Last boy out gets the cane"! There was an instant rush for the gate which was wide enough for maybe two at the most to get through at a time and of course someone had to be last so he always got his fun by caning some boy.
On other occassions he'd be a different person and we'd turn up for Maths and end up going to the sports field up by Fort Pitt I think and playing cricket. Definitely a head case.
Yes there was a teacher by the name of Bailey and Mr Collier was the head. He was a small rotund man and had a large growth on the back of his neck but was reasonable head for a school which had some rough types going there.
I think the teacher Bailey left there and went to Warren Wood and if it's the same person I remember him having to subdue one of the toughs from down the Delce one morning when the boy was going to bash him. The teacher was a much heavier man and eventually got the boy down on the ground while some other lads ran off to get help.
Like you my memory gets better the more I follow the forum. I think my sister in NZ also logs in for a look every now and again.
Alan.
 
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: peterchall on January 11, 2010, 12:22:01
I was only looking  at a pic of Troy Town school the other day after the new Medway Images archive was linked on here. My husband also went to the school in the 50s , he remembers that sadistic Maths teacher too well , he believes his name was Marchant, but doesn't know what happened to him , also thinks the English teacher was Mr Bailey and maybe the Head Master was Mr Collier. This forum does jog the old grey cells. I remember the building well.

I went to Troy Town School in 1940-1941, and my class teacher was a Mr. Marchant. Could it have been the same bloke? I imagine he would have been in his late 40s, so it's possible he was still there in the 1950s. He used the cane at the slightest provocation, but on the other hand I can remember him stopping the class at the top of the stairs while I went down because I'd hurt my knee and had difficulty walking. The name Collier also rings a bell, but I can't remember anything about him.

Most of Troy Town School was evacuated when the war started and I think there was only enough pupils left behind for a couple of classes. For some reason his classroom was upstairs - why, in an almost empty school? I can also remember being in a classroom next to where the firemen from the Foord Street AFS station were accommodated; they used to come in and warn our (lady) teacher when there was a 'yellow' air-raid alert. Time scale is difficult to remember, but I have a vague notion that Mr Marchant's class was the 'big' school.

I agree about the forum jogging the memory. There is a saying "use it or lose it" and I'm sure that's true so far as my memory is concerned.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on January 12, 2010, 09:35:49
He would have been in his 50s easily when I was there. He had silver hair and a small moustache as well as a sadistic streak. But as you say Peter he could be an entirely different person and as I said earlier he would suddenly decide we would play cricket instead of doing Maths if the weather was right.
Going to school with weirdos like that certainly would have done no good at all to vunerable kids. Didn't harm me though, I'm just as nutty as a fruit cake! :)
Alan.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: peterchall on January 12, 2010, 10:23:15
He was quite a tall thin bloke.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on January 12, 2010, 10:36:46
Can't remember how tall he was but can remember the glint in his eye as he bought the cane down on your hand from virtually touching the ground behind him. I can remember the storekeeper laughing as he selected the whippiest bamboo cane from a green cupboard in the corner of the store and I had to hand over the threepenny bit Jack had given me :)
3 strokes was the minimum punishment and I got a double dose many a time. Must have been a slow learner. :)
Gave me a few bruises but nothing lasting and I never gave him the satisfaction of crying at the pain!
Alan.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Chatham_Girl85 on January 12, 2010, 11:05:18
found this

http://www.medway.gov.uk/medwayimages/details.asp?doc_id=1889&searchtype=all&pg=1&pga=1&search=troy town school

bring back memories for you both?
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Lyn L on January 12, 2010, 11:33:45
Thats the pic I saw the other day. And the two buildings on the left ( a nice one and another 'new' factory building) have gone and been replaced by apartments. I knew the lollipop lady from the school, she had so much bother from tenants in the flats, throwing stones etc ?? that she gave up the job. She'd been there years.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Lyn L on January 12, 2010, 22:23:57
Alan H,
 Hubby asked if you remember 'Snotty' Palmer who was at the school at the time , his parents won the pools and he'd come into school with £35 notes ??? and if you remember Bob Latimer, you'd have all been there together.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on January 13, 2010, 03:17:33
I certainly remember the Palmers but not sure of the nickname "snotty" but they were a scruffy lot. They lived in Theobold Square off Rochester High St. before it was bought by the French and renamed La Providence or something.
There was a Pongo Palmer who was a yob who didn't smell too good hence the name, and the oldest of the lot was also the nicest but I can't recall his name.
Bob Latimer, tall boy with dark hair maybe? Not sure on that one.
Alan.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on January 13, 2010, 03:21:07
Hi Chatham Girl.
That certainly stirred the brain cells and I can see the playground we used and that Jack Marchant used shout at us from the top floor window before beating the last one out!
Alan.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Lyn L on January 13, 2010, 11:24:36
Hi Alan H,
Spoke to hubby, he said you were right, it was Pongo Palmer, when they won the pools they moved up to City Way, all those years just addled his brain a bit more  :) He can't remember the others ,  Bob Latimer was short with fair hair !!  Still bumps into one or two that were there at the same time.

Lyn
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Merv on January 15, 2010, 23:55:23
I went to Troy Town in The Fifties, though it wasn't a secondary school then.
Bottom of King Street it was.
My Brothers went to St. Margarets in St. Margarets Street which transferred to Troy Town and became St Peters and St Margarets.
I remember Mrs Bailey, Miss Ring and Beril Bates a deaf teacher who road a Motor Scooter.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Merv on January 17, 2010, 22:26:49
Just seen the picture of the old school, though I remember it before the Portacabins.
The Caretaker lived in the first house up from the school in King Street.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: peterchall on November 04, 2010, 21:48:14
Thanks Lyn.

Some more before we go back to Troy Town:
Why is it that:
When lights are out they can't be seen, but when stars are out they can be seen.
A fast horse runs, but fast colours don't.
A building goes up in flames while it is burning down?

Next time you meet somebody who is a bit too smug, remind them that a clear conscience is a symptom of a poor memory.

Here is a picture of Troy Town School:
                     (http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt309/petec-photo/TroyTownSchool.jpg)
It had two playgrounds: one next to the school where there is what looks like hutted classrooms (it was about half covered by a brick built extension that seems to have been reduced to some sort of white awning), and one in Dunnings Lane, next to the Man of Kent pub.
It seems to have two different styles of architecture and I wonder if it was built in two parts, although it was much bigger the other way, as in this photo:
                      (http://i622.photobucket.com/albums/tt309/petec-photo/TroyTown1959-11.jpg)

Does anyone know when it was built?
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: seb on November 05, 2010, 17:42:51
My husband used to go to Troy Town school where he learnt how to box.  This is the only thing he remembers (or so he says.)
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: seb on November 07, 2010, 11:11:30
My husband went to Troy Town infants then to St Peters Juniors then back to Troy Town Seniors till it closed and then to Warren Wood.   Warren Wood did not do boxing as it was too dangerous!
He got inspired to box from the barefist fist fights they had on the Jacksons when the circus came.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: grantidge on December 04, 2010, 17:06:27
I went to Troy Town Juniors and got a good education there.  However, I felt the school was only interested in the A stream and to a lesser extent, the B stream kids.  All the rest, which comprised mainly the poor kids from Troy Town itself, got a raw deal; warehoused and scapegoated and given the most ineffective teachers.  I felt the Indian kids got a raw deal too.  

The headmistress was a fearsome old bat called Hilda Ring.  I hated her, although she was fine with me as I was well-behaved, well turned out and an A streamer.  But I saw the way she maltreated other kids and even at that age, knew it was totally wrong.  I also remember Mr Richards  and the best teacher of all, Mr Eric William Blatchley who was the deputy head and taught me in my last year at the school.  A real Mr Chips, and such a good teacher.  Miss J Beryl Bates was a teacher who was deaf and given to wearing rainbow-coloured socks and riding a motor scooter.  She was my guide captain, and was totally bonkers!  I liked her, though.  

The building had been "condemned" some time before I started there but remained in use for some time afterwards.  My friend Tony Joyce was the headmaster at one point.  And the toilets..........UGH!  They stank all year round and froze up in the winter.

Jill
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on December 05, 2010, 08:03:43
Hi Jill.
I knew Mr Blatchely and agree he was great teacher. He invited me and a friend of mine John Cook (good artist who lived in May Rd) to Oxford on a coach trip with the camera club he belonged to.
John couldn't come for some reason so my elder bro came instead and sometime afterwards as he was interested in photography, Mr Blatchely showed him his darkroom and how to develop photos.
I think he lived on Chatham Maidstone Rd.
Alan.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Mike S on December 05, 2010, 09:55:50
If this John Cook is the same one, which I think it probably is, I was in the same class as him at Warren Wood School. I remember there being one or two of his excellent paintings were on dn show on the wall of the Ground floor School corridor.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on December 05, 2010, 10:22:46
Hello Mike.
Probably the same lad,very shy. He painted one excellent pic named in the "Shadow of sickness (or death)" of Barts Hospital  but someone pointed out the shadows were in the wrong direction. Good pic though. I wonder if John is still around?
Alan.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Mike S on December 05, 2010, 10:38:38
Yes must be the same one, I remember him as being very shy. One of his pictures on display was done at the rear of the Matalwork/Woodwork block at Warren Wood, and included the School Car Club vehicles. This is where I first learnt to drive in 1959. with teacher Taffy Davies as instructor.
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: grantidge on December 05, 2010, 11:04:27
Hi AlanH

Mr Blatchley took our class on a camera club outing to Whipsnade Zoo.  It was a wonderful day and I still have some photos.  One of the highlights was holding a baby python.  Baby?  It was plenty big enough, I thought but just not big enough to make a meal out of me!

Mr Blatchley did live in Chatham Maidstone Road.  Sadly he was taken very ill with a stroke at the start of our last summer term (we all cried at the news, boys and all).  Once he was out of hospital, we marched two by two to his house and serenaded him with the folk songs he had taught us.  Later, when I was at the grammar school, two friends and I walked to his house and told him how we were getting on.  Mrs B who was also a teacher and a lovely lady, provided cups of tea and biscuits.

Jill
Title: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on December 06, 2010, 07:54:43
Nice to know there's so much agreement about Mr Blatchely and no doubt many other teachers we all had. Worst thing is all their best efforts totally failed with me but I mostly enjoyed my school days anyway.
There was always a laugh to be had even if I did end up with a sore backside!
Great memories these.
Alan.
Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: rochester1 on September 20, 2012, 13:50:00
I realise this is an old site but I must tell you that the Headmaster of Troy Town was a Mr Collet, not Collier as suggested. There were various other sadistic souls, chief among them was 'Buller' Lockwood who it was said hung a boy out of the window and that was on the top floor!! Others who spring to mind were Mr Burton who was far too sophisticated for Troy Town, he taught among other things, music and tried to teach us to play the recorder. He said; "anyone who learns to play a tune by the next class can go home early." I learnt the 'Trumpet Voluntary'.
God knows why. More to the point it didn't do me any good as when he asked me to regale the class with a rendering of this 'air' he said I was very good and let me go half an hour early. Next morning all my mates said I was a sniveller and beat me up. I don`t like the Trumpet Voluntary!!
Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: medwayexplorer on September 20, 2012, 14:03:38
I went to Troy Town in The Fifties, though it wasn't a secondary school then.
Bottom of King Street it was.
My Brothers went to St Margarets in St Margarets Street which transferred to Troy Town and became St. Peters and St Margarets.
I remember Mrs Bailey, Miss Ring and Beril Bates a deaf teacher who road a Motor Scooter.

I went there too. My Nan, Mrs Cook was a dinner lady there. Because she was deaf, we all thought Miss Bates was magic. If you shouted something behind her back at her she knew exactly what you said. (At that age it was only going to be naughty words).

She helped me swim my first 10 yards.

There is a time capsule under the new school now with a cloth we all inserted graphics along with other bits and pieces. (We were learning about the Bayeux Tapestry at the time).

Life was easy back then. :)
Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Signals99 on October 27, 2012, 00:55:27
Hi, I also had the dubious pleasure of attending Troy Town yob factory for a while. I can confirm most of the staff names -  Headmaster Collet, Head Teacher Marchent, Gomm English master, Bragg PT, Patching Craft, Stevens Music, Reevs Art and my favourite Mr Woods History .
Ref the Palmer clan. I seem to recall a "peddler" Palmer in my class. The name Richard Halet  bought back memories; he lived in Union Street just up King Street, a fantastic cricketer. I often wondered if he went professional after I left the area. Love to hear from any old boys of my era.
Colin Walsh (you would have known me as Colin Gale 1951 to 1953).

Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Merv on May 03, 2013, 03:14:11
Just come back to this, My time there would have been about 58 onwards
Miss Bailey lived up Rochester Maidstone Road opposite Cemetary.
Mr Richards was something to do with Rochester Swimming Pool, my Mother Hit him for 6 with her shoe when he was in St Margarets Street, he cained an elder Brother across the Kidneys. he smoked heavy
Beryl Bates  was special I thought.
My Favourite Teacher was a Mr Wellard, he lived in Maidstone Road Rainham and we got a Kitten from him that lived on till it was 20
Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Troyboy on May 03, 2013, 07:21:02
I too had the privilege of going to Troy Town in the mid 50s. “Jack” Marchant was the Maths Teacher. We had to recite the Times Tables as we stood behind our seats waiting for him to come to class after the Teacher’s tea break. His only redeeming feature was that in the summer he would go into the upper playground with three stumps set in a block of wood and his cricket bat, he would allow anybody attempt to bowl him out. If anyone was successful, or was able to catch him out, either directly or off a rebound from the air raid shelters, he would pay a reward to them. Headmaster Collet, Maths Marchant, “Bill” Bailey English master, Bragg PT (bamboo pole for encouragement), Patching Craft Master (had a son named Robin, lived in Strood), Stevens Music, “Jack” Reeves, Art (believe he was a member of the Magic Circle) and Mr Woods, History (loved to talk about WW2).
Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on May 03, 2013, 11:13:31
Thanks TroyBoy for bringing back so many memories of those teachers. Jack Marchant, as we've said before, was a sadist who, when it suited him, would either take us up to the sports ground by Jacksons rec (Fort Pitt?) or beat us for minor infractions of his rules.
I well remember him belting me and Timmy H for talking in class and Tim`s dad coming down and belting him in return!
Most teachers were pretty good people though even Bragg who was a hard task master.
AlanH.
Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Signals99 on May 04, 2013, 10:37:07
Alan H, I well remember the 'belting' incident, just for once Jack Marchant got his just dessert ?
As you so rightly say, the man was a sadist, in today's enlightened education system he would not be allowed near a school. I wonder, do you recall the time he threw a black board eraser (is that PC?) at a lad in our class, knocked him out cold, plus cut his head. The headmaster gave us a lecture "under no circumstances was the incident to be discussed outside of school".
Boy, was I glad when the admiralty moved my dad and I left TroyTown.
Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on May 05, 2013, 11:49:40
Yes I do remember that Signals 99, thinking back the boy had very dark hair but for the life of me I can't remember his name. I left Troy Town and went to school down in Surrey and then Margate (Cliftonville actually) for around 3 years and then went to Warren Wood as Troy Town had been closed by then.
Lot of the old teachers went there as well but not Jack for which most of us were truly thankful. I'm sure he used to belt me extra hard as he couldn't make me cry......I must have been just too thick!
No brain no pain.
AlanH.
 
Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Troyboy on December 19, 2016, 20:38:04
Hello, rereading this topic another teacher 's name, Mr Chesterton, taught Geography, had thick moustache.
Regards Troyboy.
Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on December 20, 2016, 08:51:37
I must admit I don't remember a Chesterton at all. But then the mind grows dim after all these years....  :)
AlanH.
Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Mike S on December 20, 2016, 10:53:05
I have a vague recollection of a teacher by the name of Chesterton. Jack Marchant did go to Warren Wood for a short time, he almost broke my little finger at cricket practice in the nets. Other teachers:- Evans, Taffy Davies, Peter Holman, Charlie Cash, Jock Lacey, Jack Ruthven (replaced Marchant), Ron Patching, Arthur Simpson, Bill Bailey, Harry Reeve, Parsons - Metalwork. Robert Ashfield from the Cathedral for Music. Probably missed a few after all these years.
Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: smiffy on December 20, 2016, 14:12:20
There was a Mr Patching at Balfour Juniors when I was there in the early '60s. I wonder if this is the same teacher?
Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: AlanH on December 21, 2016, 08:40:00
I remember nearly all of them Mike S. Peter (Hogger) Holman and Taffy Davies were good people. Holman lived on Borstal Rd and Taffy just off Arethusa Rd., Warren Wood.
Harry (bullet) Reeves because of the shape of his head.  :)
Jock Lacey... balding with little glasses. Ruthven was a dry old bloke..... he had a glimmer in his eye whenever he looked at a maths dumbo like me which boded ill for recipient!
Patching and Parsons, yes I remember them and of course Frank Gold for PT. Heard a horrid tale about him years ago but have no knowledge of what happened to him.
He, to me, was a good bloke even if not happy with my idleness when it came to gymnastics. :-((
AlanH.
Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Troyboy on December 26, 2016, 10:53:10
Was Harry (bullet) Reeves the Woodwork Master, in the building alongside the playground which also housed the Metal Workshop.
Regards Troyboy
Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Mike S on December 26, 2016, 10:57:51
Yes he was in that building. The metalwork master at the time who's name I cannot remember died shortly before the move to Warren Wood.
Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Signals99 on December 26, 2016, 14:08:39
The metal work master was a Mr  Maden, he died from the results of a ruptured appendix. I think the technical term was peritonitis .
Title: Re: Troy Town school, Rochester
Post by: Mike S on December 26, 2016, 15:53:51
Yes you are right, have been racking my brain to think of the name, must be an age thing!