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News / Re: The Medway Queen featured in the Smithsonian Magazine Today
« Last post by mikeb on Today at 22:26:34 »
Just approaching Sun Pier?
General Religious Topics / Re: Defrocked?
« Last post by mikegunnill on Today at 20:38:54 »

I think the official term for defrocked is "deposition from holy orders" and is covered by Cannon Law, might help with any future searches.

Yes thank you, that was pointed out by Lambeth Palace but I was just using the widely known term.  My man was a curate in Devon and actions were taken against him first, in the Exeter Diocese and then these were referred to Lambeth Palace. There was no formal pension scheme in 1897 although the clergy could pay into a " system ", which became available on retirement.  It would seem he also lost 10 years of contributions, but I can't confirm this. Lambeth can't help on this either.

I just wondered if anyone on here, had any experience to comment on.

I am grateful Longpockets for your comments.

Thanks Jason, a very interesting article, let's hope the makers of the new film read this beforehand. A very fine photo' of the Medway Queen pre war with Rochester Cathedral & Castle in the background. I'm sure someone can tell me exactly where it is?
Harold Delf Gillies was born in New Zealand in 1882 and studied medicine at Cambridge University. He qualified as a surgeon in 1908 specializing in ear, nose and throat surgery. When the First World War broke out Gillies was sent to France by the Red Cross. In 1915 he enlisted in the Royal Army Medical Corps. While in France he assisted the French-American dentist Auguste Valadier and met the French surgeon Hippolythe Morestin. This led to him becoming interested in reconstructive facial surgery.

On returning to the UK he persuaded Sir Arbuthnot Lane, the British Army's chief surgeon, to set up a facial injury unit at the Cambridge Military Hospital in Aldershot.
As the number of casualties increased Gillies was charged with setting up and directing a specialist facility at Frognal House at Sidcup in Kent (as then).
This opened in June 1917, known first as Queen's Hospital then as Queen Mary's Hospital.
At the new hospital Gillies and his team, which included surgeons from Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the USA as well as artists, dentists, photographers, radiologists, rehabilitation supervisors and technicians, pioneered many new techniques in maxillofacial surgery and anaesthetics.
Perhaps his greatest accomplishment was the tube pedicle skin grafting technique. A flap of skin from a uninjured part of the body was cut away but left partly attached. It was then taken across to the injured area where it was sewn in place to allow new tissue to form.

By 1925, when the hospital closed to facial injury patients and Gillies went into private practice, the unit had performed 11,572 operations on over 5,000 patients.
For his work Gillies received the CBE and was knighted in 1930. On the outbreak of World War Two four plastic surgery hospitals were set up with Gillies based at Basingstoke operating mainly on army and civilian casualties. His cousin, Archibald McIndoe, was in charge of the unit at East Grinstead, treating RAF casualties, the well known Guinea Pig Club.
After the war Gillies returned to private practice. Sir Harold Gillies died in 1960.

The IWM has a number of photos of patients at the hospital with serious facial injuries @
The medical procedures involved are described and illustrated in H D Gillies book Plastic Surgery of the Face based on selected cases of war injuries of the face including burns, published in 1920. Available as a free E-Book @

For much more on the hospital and Sir Harold Gillies see

Three paintings by J Hodgson Lobley.

The Queen's Hospital for Facial Injuries, Frognal, Sidcup : the operating theatre. IWM
(Art.IWM ART 3659)
IWM Non Commercial Licence

The Queen's Hospital for Facial Injuries, Frognal, Sidcup : the dental mechanic's class.
IWM (Art.IWM ART 3757)
IWM Non Commercial Licence

The Queen's Hospital for Facial Injuries, Frognal, Sidcup: The toy-makers' shop. IWM
(Art.IWM ART 3756)
IWM Non Commercial Licence
Occupational Therapy was an integral part of the rehabilitation treatment; men required things to do to fill the long days and weeks between operations, and were also trained for life outside. Toys made at Sidcup were advertised by the London "Evening Standard" and were judged to be of very fine quality.

Off topic. For the Guinea Pig Club in WW2 I can recommend The Reconstruction of Warriors. Archibald McIndoe, the Royal Air Force and the Guinea Pig Club by E R Mayhew 2004.

Lower two photos from the Australian War Memorial collection.
Top: Queen Mary escorted by an unidentified officer, Sister Edith Horton (far right) and another unidentified nurse visiting a patient with a heavily bandaged face at Sidcup.
Lower: Outdoor group portrait of a group of patients with nursing sisters at Queen Mary's Hospital, Sidcup.
News / Re: Ramsgate Tunnels re-opening next year
« Last post by Beachbum on July 18, 2017, 20:57:19 »
If anyone would like information on the Ramsgate Tunnels, please ask away.

I am one of the Volunteer Tour Guides.

The Horse reference was that it went around the Town to the Public Entrances with a Mud Drum. The contents of the Chemical Toilets were emptied into this, and then refurbished and returned to the Tunnels. So, the Horse never entered the ARP Tunnels.

Tunnel Town has been enlarged, and various types of Tours are now available. Full details of which can be found on the website.
Follies & Oddities / Re: Shell Grotto - Margate
« Last post by kyn on July 17, 2017, 20:06:52 »
If you ever find yourself down this way these are a real treat :)
Follies & Oddities / Re: Shell Grotto - Margate
« Last post by Lyn L on July 17, 2017, 20:05:55 »
Another place I never went to while living in Ramsgate and Broadstairs from age 1 to 14 yrs ? How strange . Great pics of the shell grotto and the Ramsgate tunnels.  :)
ROC Posts / Re: Brookland ROC post
« Last post by kyn on July 17, 2017, 20:05:49 »
The ROC post looks much the same.
ROC Posts / Re: Brookland ROC post
« Last post by kyn on July 17, 2017, 20:04:30 »
LewisE and I visited the ROC post and Orlit Bunker a few weeks ago.  Luckily LewisE has decided climbing is a fun thing and got me some photos as the ladder/steps have been removed.
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