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Re: " The Brook" Chatham (Stream)
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2012, 16:46:19 »
After spending a few hours at the Southern Water offices checking their digital map of the area I have found that the Bourne(Brook) first appears at the beginning of the High Street, just by Luton Arches.  The culvert at this point is marked as carrying a water course in a concrete culvert made of brick.  The maximum height of this brick culvert is 750 (I assume this is mm, I didn’t think to check), the brick culvert runs along to the bottom of Institution Hill.  From here to Union Place is a 212.12 length of concrete culvert, at its highest point it is 900.  The rest of the culvert that carries the Brook along to the main road outside the Brook Pumping station, a total of around 574.7 metres, not reaching more than 900 high and concrete..  A further length of culvert takes the Brook alongside the Pumping Station.
The Brook runs along the road beneath the south edge of the High Street and then along the west and south gutter of the Brook.

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Re: " The Brook" Chatham (Stream)
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2011, 16:23:37 »
If I recall correctly Presnails "Chatham" covers the subject of the brook in a little depth.

Correct :).  I've had a read (over & over) and I'm still none the wiser.

He explains how for centuries Chatham had fairly natural drainage; the pleasant stream (the Old Bourne) coursing through the Luton valley, met with the tides of the River Medway. The downside was an inhospitable, waterlogged marsh, with the areas covered by Military Road, Medway Street, George Street (Pentagon Centre) & the Brook entirely flooded at high tide.

The problems worsened when the newly-arrived dockyard workers made the banks of the Old Bourne their homes. For centuries, human & animal waste was just washed into the waters, effectively producing an open sewer that spread disease & infection.

This is where I'm confused!

In 1824, the question of sanitation was high on the agenda, when "the High Constable presented the Town Ditch to be a nuisance" & also in 1829 "the High Constable presented the Brook Ditches as nuisance"

The next three pages explain how the Brook Ditch (this is what shows on my map!) was joined to The Old Middle Sewer & the South High Level Sewer to clear away the waste from the area. At no point is the Old Bourne mentioned again. Did the stream become the Brook Ditch?

Further on in the book, whilst 'walking through' the 1864 Ordnance Survey, Fullalove Alley is mentioned "...it is intersected by an open ditch now in the process of being filled in".

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Re: " The Brook" Chatham (Stream)
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2011, 11:29:25 »
Thought this may be of interest.... http://www.oldbrookpumping.co.uk/station.htm

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Re: " The Brook" Chatham (Stream)
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2011, 22:39:49 »
This link shows a stream running alongside the Brook and some streams running off it.
Shows up better if you enlarge by pressing CTRL & +:
 http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=9012.0
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Re: " The Brook" Chatham (Stream)
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2011, 22:02:40 »
If I recall correctly Presnails "Chatham" covers the subject of the brook in a little depth.  I don't have my copy to hand as all of my books are packed while we are decorating the house, and more particulary, my study!
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Re: " The Brook" Chatham (Stream)
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2011, 20:53:44 »
Reading different reports of how it was gradually bricked over to form a sewer, I would guess it is still there. It could explain why some shops & properties in the area suffer with flooding or subsidence.

But don't forget it is only my opinion that it is a stream on the map, someone with more knowledge of maps may think the 'line' is something else :)
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Re: " The Brook" Chatham (Stream)
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2011, 20:44:02 »

numanfan great map, so the stream didnt run along the brook but near it, do you think it would still be running undergraound ?

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Re: " The Brook" Chatham (Stream)
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2011, 07:31:32 »
If you can still get a copy from Baggins, "Chatham Scandal: A History of Prostitution in the Medway Towns During the Late 19th Century" by Brian Joyce gives a real insight into the history of slums in Chatham, with detailed stories of vice in various pubs.  There is an awful lot of stuff about The Brook.

Other slum areas included the site of Staples.  Ever wondered about those alleys leading off Chatham High Street towards Medway Street, but apparently petering out into nothing?

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Re: " The Brook" Chatham (Stream)
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2011, 19:50:52 »
I did read some where a long time ago, that flat bottom boats had sailed along the brook many moons ago I think it was in Dickens era but im not too sure ,must have a sort through my old books.

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Re: " The Brook" Chatham (Stream)
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2011, 17:37:31 »
I was reading a bit about the 2 great fires in Chatham in the 1800s yesterday and a small quote about  The Brook said this.....

This was the poorest area in the whole of Chatham (1821)  the quality of life made worse by the existence nearby of a fetid stream ( always referred to as the brook ) which took most of the towns effluent. Not a pleasant place then.
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Re: " The Brook" Chatham (Stream)
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2011, 03:49:11 »
Smiffys excellent map in '18th century map of Chatham' gives a good impression of the Brook area at that time. The stream was 'The Old Bourne' and has been mentioned and discussed on the Forum, you just have to search for it. I have always been intrigued by the history of this old stream and have tried to research it but there seems very little documentation to be found. I recently approached Southern Water on the issue of water sources at Luton, my findings are in the link mentioned by Peterchall. The water authority have no record of the fabled 'lake under the rec.' but Joan Batchelor in Jim Logan's 'Charting the Changes' states that it does exist ,complete (at one time) with a boat. The adit, at the bottom end of Hopewell Drive, leading down to the lake having been sunk in the 19th century by Richard Batchelor before the waterworks was built at Luton. At the time Richard Batchelor was endeavouring to manufacture and supply bricks for the new Naval Hospital (now Medway Hospital) on the site and the Brompton Water Company were trying to compulsorily purchase the land for their waterworks. In an attempt to stop them , he gave them the well, saying "You want water, here it is!" They took the land, he took them to court, won and RDB thus became a wealthy man.
  I have previously placed a photo of the entrance to the well in the above mentioned link, the lake, according to Joan Batchelor, extends under Hopewell Drive.
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Re: " The Brook" Chatham (Stream)
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2011, 22:52:58 »
Regarding the Brook being an open stream, I was quoting something that I read "somewhere", I think on the Forum as well as in a book. Has anyone got any information on dates? But I'm sure that water flows under it and into the Medway near the junction of Medway Street and Globe Lane, hence the site of the Brook Pumping Station.
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Re: " The Brook" Chatham (Stream)
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2011, 20:58:43 »

 Thanks for the info Peterchall, it leaves a lot to the imagination as to how it would have looked

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Re: " The Brook" Chatham (Stream)
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2011, 21:24:11 »
There is an underground stream running under the Luton Road area and under the Brook into the Medway. The Brook was at one time an open stream with footbridges over it, hence its name. There's some info here, and I think elsewhere on the Forum:
http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=7534.msg60935#msg60935
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Re: " The Brook" Chatham (Stream)
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2011, 19:08:57 »

  A friend of mine rented a warehouse in Solomons road  near Halfords  Chatham,and when there was a high tide  the basement flooded many times, did the medway, years ago, travel inland as far as the length of the Brook? and If so where did it stop.
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