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Offline peterchall

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Re: Slate Club, Man of Kent Public House
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2013, 20:31:36 »
I've looked up several sources concerning slates and they all give the meanings of terms such as:
'On the slate' = Credit
'Wipe the slate clean' = Pay off the debts
'A clean slate' = nothing owed.

But none of them say why 'slate' is used, though I suppose it's obvious. But it has reminded me of going to an army school at Shornecliffe in 1934-35, where we wrote with chalk on slates a bit bigger than A4 with a wooden edge about an inch wide. When the teacher had seen your work you wiped it off with an army issue piece of rag! I don't know if the army couldn't afford paper!


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Re: Slate Club, Man of Kent Public House
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2013, 19:40:09 »
I often wondered where we got the term.. " On the slate " from.

Has to be!!  :)

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Re: Slate Club, Man of Kent Public House
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2013, 12:34:48 »
Many thanks and apology accepted.

It was a Thursday afternoon and the the next day the local papers appeared with the headline "Publican found dead. Tontine money missing". It was a long time ago, so I can't remember all the details except that, due to the circumstances, the police were involved and were there when I arrived, after having been phoned by them at work - I was married and not living there at the time. The money was due to be paid out that evening but the police stopped that until books had been checked, etc. Then when customers arrived that evening to find the pub closed and they were unable to get their money, presumably someone got the wrong end of the stick and the newspaper didn't wait to find out the full facts.

So ever since then it has been a sensitive issue with me, so perhaps I over reacted to your post. Anyway, apology accepted with no hard feelings.
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Re: Slate Club, Man of Kent Public House
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2013, 10:29:50 »
Peterchall ,sir
Let me offer my sincerest apologies for any misunderstanding reference my Slate Club article.
I was appalled when I read it in conjunction with your reminiscence of your late father. I fully understand your request. The pub I mentioned is no longer there, long gone. You gave the time of your father`s unfortunate demise as 1954,the incident I refer to took place in the mid 60s. It had absolutely nothing to do with the Foresters arms. I regret any distress or offence I may have inadvertently caused you. Sorry once again. 

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Re: Slate Club, Man of Kent Public House
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2013, 20:00:09 »
Please name the establishment in case people confuse it with my post of 22/7/2012.
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Re: Slate Club, Man of Kent Public House
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2013, 19:05:39 »
O yes. Tontine clubs, I remember well the time when the treasurer, along with the tontine club funds "disappeared" about Chritmas time from a Rochester pub. Say no more, nudge, nudge. I think the gent had some form of an accident. I won't name the establishment but I'm fairly certain that at least two of our contributors could. How about it Rochesterbred?

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Re: Slate Club, Man of Kent Public House
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2012, 22:59:20 »
Thats sad peterchall. erfman

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Re: Slate Club, Man of Kent Public House
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2012, 23:25:49 »
The Oxford Dictionary definition of a tontine is as Grandarog states, but until now I've always known the pub Christmas club schemes as a tontine - the Foresters Arms one definitely was.

My dad had collected the tontine money from the bank in December 1954, and collapsed and died in the kitchen on his return. My mother found him there with the gas taps turned on, and the police investigated whether he had been fiddling the books and may have committed suicide, so the term 'tontine' is seared in my memory! In the event the books were found to be in order and the post-mortem found he had no gas in his blood, so the verdict was he had turned the gas on and collapsed before he lit it.
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Re: Slate Club, Man of Kent Public House
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2012, 23:01:53 »
   More usually called a Christmas club and  sickpay benefit . As Peterchall says most Pubs ran something of sorts like this. Never seen such a detailed rule book .
   Smiler I think a Tontine was an investment scheme for the gentry that paid a yearly annuitty. As the members died off the payouts got bigger until only one member left who copped for the lot and the scheme finished . I seem to remember Dudley Moore in a film about a Tontine.

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Re: Slate Club, Man of Kent Public House
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2012, 21:35:18 »
If so, I think almost every pub ran one. Certainly the Forester's Arms, Rochester, did from 1946 to 1954.
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Re: Slate Club, Man of Kent Public House
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2012, 16:34:23 »
Another name for a tontine?

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Re: Slate Club, Man of Kent Public House
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2012, 23:35:11 »
 Having never heard of these, I looked Slate Club up and came up
with this meaning:

               1.  [n] - (British) a group of people who save money in a
                    common fund for a specific purpose (usually distributed
                    at Christmas)


 Searching further I've found one such club at the Boar's Head in Dover
around 1907. And another at Hildenborough around 1901.

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Slate Club, Man of Kent Public House
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2012, 23:00:09 »
This was amongst my Grandfather's photographs.

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