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Re: Army Ambulance Falls on Bus at Chatham - 1929
« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2013, 14:32:32 »
Here it is at the bottom of Brompton Hill.

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Re: Army Ambulance Falls on Bus at Chatham - 1929
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2013, 10:29:42 »
Thanks swiftone this is exactly where I was thinking when asking where it was.

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Re: Army Ambulance Falls on Bus at Chatham - 1929
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2013, 08:57:03 »
I remember this ramp which ran parallel to Dock Road. Dock Road at this point was only the width of two carriageways. Cars bound for Chatham would sometimes use this ramp to overtake (undertake?) a slow Chatham-bound bus in Dock Road. Looking at the 1885 map I don't think that vehicles coming down Barrack Hill were allowed to turn right, only left towards Chatham. I don't remember a wall and I think Leofwine is correct in assuming railings.

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Re: Army Ambulance Falls on Bus at Chatham - 1929
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2013, 23:50:04 »
Thanks, that's something else I've learnt :)
Your reference to a railing/picket fence ties in with Scoop's post on the report in the Dover Express, which states that the accident was caused by a wheel coming off the ambulance rather than by bad driving. But it seems ambiguous as to whether only the wheel fell into Dock Road or the complete vehicle. The injuries could have been caused by the vehicle turning over.
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Re: Army Ambulance Falls on Bus at Chatham - 1929
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2013, 23:35:02 »
Yes peterchall, it was in front of the old building on the corner of Chatham Barracks (The Soldiers' Institute, the hospital was where the flats are now). The one at Wood street had a retaining wall, but as far as I can tell there was no similar wall at the Barracks Hill ramp. Some of the photos suggest there may have been a simple railing/picket fence, but nothing that would stop a vehicle going through.

On the right of this picture you can see the line of the ramp sloping down in the diagonal wall built into the grass bank.

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Re: Army Ambulance Falls on Bus at Chatham - 1929
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2013, 22:47:26 »
Was it where there is now a footpath going up the bank in front of the old wall (which I think was a hospital)? If so it means there were 2 similar ramps - that one and the one at the bottom of Wood Street, where I thought the accident occured.
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Re: Army Ambulance Falls on Bus at Chatham - 1929
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2013, 21:40:34 »
You can just about make out the ramp coming down on to Dock Road in this photo (to the right of the tram):

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Re: Army Ambulance Falls on Bus at Chatham - 1929
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2013, 21:30:09 »
Barrack Hill was what we now call Brompton Hill and  joined to Dock Road with a high level ramp (from where the raised footpath is now) thay went around a fairly sharp curve. I suspect the ambulance took the corner too fast and toppled onto Dock Road.  The ramp was closed off in the 1960s about the time Melville Court was built.
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Re: Army Ambulance Falls on Bus at Chatham - 1929
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2013, 17:43:17 »
But of all the roads mentioned, the only place I can think of where a vehicle could fall onto a lower road was at the bottom of what is now Wood Street, as per the photo in the link in my post above.

But, as I stated, that road was a tram route, which raises 2 questions:
1. Did M&D run workmens' buses to/from Pembroke Gate in 1929?
2. If so, would they have run on Saturdays?

The report specifically says that the ambulance fell from an un-named high level road on to the bus that was on 'Barracks Hill', which if my suggested location is correct would make that what is now called 'Dock Road'. Would that have been referred to as 'Barracks Hill' - after all it did lead to the Naval Barracks? 
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Re: Army Ambulance Falls on Bus at Chatham - 1929
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2013, 15:54:06 »
When I was a boy in Brompton my dad and other locals referred to the hill down from Garden Street to Dock Road as Barrack Hill - I presume from the fact that it was totally hemmed in by barracks establishments. Even now I sometimes still revert to calling it Barrack Hill.

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Re: Army Ambulance Falls on Bus at Chatham - 1929
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2013, 14:19:14 »
Some details about the casualties, thanks to Kyn.

Private Quinse, of the R.A.S.C., died in hospital. He had injuries to the head and chest. Driver, Went, of the R.A.S.C., was detained in hospital with injuries to the head and left leg. Private Ingersoll and Woods, of the R.A.M.C., were only slightly injured and were discharged after receiving attention for cuts and bruises.

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Re: Army Ambulance Falls on Bus at Chatham - 1929
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2013, 13:40:41 »
It confused me too about the location when I read it. "Barrack Hill" was the road between Fort Amherst and Kitchener Barracks, now called Kharthoum Road, but I'm not sure when it was renamed. I've seen accounts of accidents happening there before, but it did make me wonder about the bit where the ambulance 'fell' onto the bus. I had visions of it falling into the Gun Wharf.

My guess is though, they might mean "Brompton Hill" (I've heard Leofwine mention he's heard that hill called Barrack Hill before), and the ambulance fell onto a bus in Dock Road.

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Re: Army Ambulance Falls on Bus at Chatham - 1929
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2013, 13:11:59 »
A further thought - if the accident was due to the ambulance, or its wheel, crashing through the wall in the photo mentioned above, it would have fallen into the road down to Pembroke Gate, and in March 1929 that was a tram route. So unless M&D operated buses to Pembroke Gate (I don't think they did) it casts doubt on my guess.
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Re: Army Ambulance Falls on Bus at Chatham - 1929
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2013, 11:39:11 »
Dover Express Friday 22 March 1929

At Chatham on Saturday afternoon, the front wheel of a H.A.S.C. ambulance came off and pitched through a fence on to a road below. The driver, Arthur Quinse, died at hospital and the three R.A.M.C. orderlies were injured.

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Re: Army Ambulance Falls on Bus at Chatham - 1929
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2013, 11:35:46 »
I'm guessing it was Wood Street, Brompton, which joined Dock Road via a ramp. See:
http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=12698.msg103626#msg103626

Dock Road is below the wall on the left of the photo
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