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Re: Carlton Cafe, Chatham High Street
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2013, 10:19:15 »
Yes, you're right Leofwine. I think the people I found in 1911 at 84 and 84a High Street were probably living above the shop, if indeed it was the 'right' No. 84.

Thanks for the 1926 Kelly's entry numanfan.

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Re: Carlton Cafe, Chatham High Street
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2013, 18:10:37 »
I've started a new thread here - http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=16079.0 - showing the Maidstone version of the Carlton Cafe.
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Re: Carlton Cafe, Chatham High Street
« Reply #14 on: March 24, 2013, 16:57:41 »
This is how it is listed in the 1926 Kelly's Directory:
84. CARLTON ORIENTAL CAFE, confectioner (F. Byner, proprietor) & at Maidstone.
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Re: Carlton Cafe, Chatham High Street
« Reply #13 on: March 24, 2013, 16:41:46 »
It might be worth checking the Kelly's Directories for the area (I know the Strood Archives has a pretty complete set on microfilm). Also, you mention checking the 1911 census for No. 84 High Street, but there are a couple of potential pitfalls with that. Firstly, the census only tends to record places of business if they are also the person's residence, so if, for example, there were a family living in a flat above the cafe they would be recorded, but the cafe might not get a mention. Also, the High Street has been renumbered on several occasions so the cafe might not have been no. 84 in 1911.
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Re: Carlton Cafe, Chatham High Street
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2013, 16:16:35 »
It was certainly a lead worth pursuing Bryn Clinch, it did date from a similar era. I think 'Carlton' may have been (perhaps still) thought of as a "high class" name and was used for establishments wishing to portray that image.

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Re: Carlton Cafe, Chatham High Street
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2013, 14:06:48 »
It was merely a guess that the Carlton Cafe was one of A. E. Barrow`s shops. I think I`ve got it all wrong as I`ve only just noticed that the one in Sittingbourne is no longer named `Carlton`, but I expect most of the older generation still refer to it as such.

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Re: Carlton Cafe, Chatham High Street
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2013, 10:19:34 »
Thanks for the images. I'm not sure that this Carlton Cafe belonged to the Barrow family. Their company was established in 1931 in Sittingbourne, I know the Carlton Cafe in Chatham was there in 1929, and I have found some memories of a Chatham resident which points to it being there in the early 1920's. The full description in the Couchman Collection notes say; "Carlton Cafe (Southern) Ltd (no. 84)" so probably does point to a chain of cafes. I checked the 1911 census for 84 High Street, Chatham but can't see evidence of it being a cafe then.

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Re: Carlton Cafe, Chatham High Street
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2013, 22:34:34 »
I see another branch of Murdoch's too, there was one in Sheerness too.

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Re: Carlton Cafe, Chatham High Street
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2013, 21:25:48 »
Here is a better quality scan of the image from my collection, and a 'close up' of the cafe.



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Re: Carlton Cafe, Chatham High Street
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2013, 20:12:18 »
They traded under the name of A. E. Barrow & Sons Ltd. and still have shops in Sittingbourne and Canterbury.

Here`s about the firm:-    http://www.aebarrow.co.uk/about-us.html

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Re: Carlton Cafe, Chatham High Street
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2013, 18:28:43 »
They traded under the name of A. E. Barrow & Sons Ltd. and still have shops in Sittingbourne and Canterbury.

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Re: Carlton Cafe, Chatham High Street
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2013, 16:29:22 »
Yes, that was the photo I found on CityArk, there is a hand tinted version there as well. That's an interesting lead about the Barrow family, Bryn Clinch, I'll see if I can find anything else on them.

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Re: Carlton Cafe, Chatham High Street
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2013, 15:27:25 »
There's a slightly better version of LouiseC's photo in this thread:

http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=5828.30

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Re: Carlton Cafe, Chatham High Street
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2013, 14:45:53 »
I can`t remember the Carlton Cafe in Chatham but guess that it was one of a small chain of rather genteel `teashops` owned by the Barrow family. There was one in Maidstone and another in Sittingbourne, which is still in business and still making the best doughnuts in the world. The Barrow family also owned the Coniston Hotel in Sittingbourne, now a `Best Western`.

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