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Re: Workhouse Records
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2017, 23:18:47 »
I think these 2 records are very likely deaths for Charles & Thomas:

In the burial records for Buckland-in-Dover, there is an entry for a Charles Bean, Abode Union Workhouse, buried May 11 1912, Age 33.
It's a good match for the birth date.  The GRO reference is 3Q 1912 Dover Vol 2a P 1195.

In the GRO index there is a death for Thomas Bean, Age 91, 2Q 1917 Eastry Vol 2a P 1386.  Again, a good match for the birth date also Location given that Longpockets found him at Eastry Union in 1911.

I looked through my copies of Dover Union records but they are all post 1891.  I don't have a visit planned to Maidstone else I would have looked at the Admission/Discharge registers for you.  You can ask the KHLC to look for you.  As you have some specific facts for them to work from (You know they were in the Dover Union Workhouse by 1891), I don't suppose it would be too expensive but I'm not sure what you would learn other than the exact date of admission.   http://www.kent.gov.uk/leisure-and-community/history-and-heritage/kent-history-and-library-centre/start-your-research/pay-for-us-to-research.

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Re: Workhouse Records
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2017, 20:43:45 »
I hope these help.

Found these - 1881, 1901 & 1911 census birth year matches between 1881 and 1911 census but not the 1901.

Not sure about the Islington reference on the 1911 details but the image show it as the Eastry Workhouse.

Name:   Thomas Bean
Age:   54
Estimated birth year:   abt 1827
Relationship to Head:   Head
Gender:   Male
Where born:   Eastry, Kent, England
Civil Parish:   Goodnestone in Eastry
County/Island:   Kent
Country:   England
Street address:   Rowling
Marital Status:   Widower
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation:   Ag Lab
Registration district:   Eastry

Name:   Thomas Bean
Age:   67
Estimated birth year:   abt 1824
Relation:   Head
Gender:   Male
Where born:   Eastry, Kent, England
Civil Parish:   Buckland
Ecclesiastical parish:   Buckland St Andrew
Town:   Dover
County/Island:   Kent
Country:   England

Name:   Thomas Bean
Age in 1911:   84
Estimated birth year:   abt 1827
Relation to Head:   Inmate
Gender:   Male
Birth Place:   Eastry, Kent, England
Civil Parish:   Islington
Search Photos:   Search for 'Islington' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island:   London
Country:   England
Street address:   Eastry, Kent, England
Marital Status:   Widowed
Occupation:   Formerly Farm Labourer
Registration district:   Islington

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Re: Workhouse Records
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2017, 16:57:48 »
The last time I studied any of the Dover district archive records, they were housed in Whitfield. It was some years ago and as far as I can recall it is only open a few days a week.


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Re: Workhouse Records
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2017, 16:01:43 »
Hi Scoop and other members,

I am also trying to trace missing members of my family who I have recently found out were in the Dover Workhouse and, like other members, I too live outside England so can't visit the library in Kent.

My great grandmother's father and her youngest brother were listed as being in the Union workhouse on the 1891 census but I can't find any record thereafter.  This was Thomas Bean and his 12 year old son, Charles.  I am not sure when they went in to the workhouse as they still lived in Rowling, near  Goodnestone, on the 1881 census.

If anyone has any information about them I would be more than grateful - my elderly father is still alive and would love to know what happened to his great grandfather and his great uncle

Many thanks,
Jane

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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2013, 17:52:11 »
Challis Baptisms from Dover Union Workhouse:

Henry William George Challis DoB 30 May 1888, Baptised 25 Jul 1888, Mother Florence Jane Challis - Single Woman.  Died Dover 1888 Q4 Age 0 Vol 2a P 533.

Albert Edward Challis DoB 27 Mar 1892, Baptised 04 May 1892, Mother Florence Jane Challis - Single Woman.

Rose Ellen Challis DoB 04 May 1895, Baptised 22 Nov 1895, Mother Florence Jane Challis - Single Woman.

Wilfrid Challis DoB 04 Mar 1897, Baptised 25 Jan 1898, Mother Florence Jane Challis - Single Woman.

Ro(w?)land Challis DoB 25 Apr 1900, Baptised 10 Jul 1900, Mother Florence Jane Challis - Single Woman.  Died Dover 1900 Q3 Age 0 Vol 2a P 617.

Lilly Mabel Challis DoB 09 Jun 1902, Baptised 05 Feb 1903, Mother Florence Jane Challis - Single Woman

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Re: Workhouse Records
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2013, 07:55:47 »
Thanks Scoop. Have been away so have only just got your message. Looking forward to following your threads. Thanks a lot.

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Re: Workhouse Records
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2013, 14:03:35 »
Well I did say that Scoop was good - well done that man.

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Re: Workhouse Records
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2013, 13:25:10 »
I think this is Your Florence b c1866:

Birth: Florence J Challis b Q1 1866 Thanet Vol 2a P762
Marriage: William J Lowe m Florence J Cramp Q4 1912 Medway Vol 2a P1485
Death: Florence J Lowe d Jun 1937 Medway Vol 2a P1005 age 71
Likely death: William J Lowe d Mar 1943 Chatham Vol 2a P1652 age 76



I think this is Your Florence b 1906

Birth: Florence May Cramp b Q3 1906 Maidstone Vol 2a P903
Marriage: Florence M Cramp m George V Statham Q4 1928 Medeay Vol 2a P1819
Likely death: George V Statham d Sep 1962 Chatham Vol 5b P260
Death: Florence May Statham d Dec 1994 Chatham Register C24A District 5611C Entry 242 Dob 2 Sep 1906

3 likely children - Douglas W 1930, June F 1934 & Patricia M 1943.

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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2013, 16:17:32 »
A little more for Lily:

Marriage: Lily M Challis m William H J Goldstone Q1 1933 Medway Vol 2A P1146
Death: William H J Goldstone Age 65 d Q1 1960 Vol 5B P367
Probate: William Henry James Goldstone of 12 Cromwell Terrace Chatham d. 17 Feb 1960.  Administration to Lily Mabel Goldstone (Widow) Effects 164 15s 2d.
Death: Lily M Goldstone d Q3 1974 Chatham Vol 16 P493.  DoB 9 June 1902.

No evidence of any children.

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Re: Workhouse Records
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2013, 00:00:47 »
Most likely birth for Lily:
Lily Mabel Challis registered Q2 1902 Dover Vol 2a P 1095

Edit: There is a Stephen CRAMP b. c1839 listed in the census for the Dover Union workhouse in 1901.

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Re: Workhouse Records
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2013, 23:09:09 »
Sorry Alkhamhills but like you I am not local to Kent.  I am planning another visit to the history centre but it won't be for several months.  You could ring the centre and ask if they wouldn't mind looking for you.

According to http://www.kentarchives.org.uk/CalmView/TreeBrowse.aspx?src=CalmView.Catalog&field=RefNo&key=G, the Dover Union Admissions and Discharges are catalogued as:
G/DO/WIa17
G/DO/WIa18
G/DO/WIa19
Covering 1890 through 1895. It's not clear if later records are available. I suspect they are, but missed from the catalogue.


 

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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2013, 22:44:02 »
Lyndab, In 1911 Census search for Florence CRAMP.

Ref: RG14PN3902 RG78PN149 RD47 SD1 ED18 SN117
5 Harrison Square, Chatham
Florence CRAMP/Head/Widow/b.1865/Field Worker/Ramsgate
Winford CRAMP/Son/b.1897/School/Dover
Lily CRAMP/Dau/b.1903/School/Dover
Florence CRAMP/Dau/b.1907/Dover

Not found Rose Ellen or a suitable CRAMP marriage but you have a lead to follow now.


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Re: Workhouse Records
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2013, 20:47:56 »
Hi - thanks for your help. The family I am trying to trace have the surname of Challis. In 1901 census there is Florence Challis (b 1865 in Ramsgate) unmarried mother of Winford Challis (b 1897 in Dover) although he is listed as Wilfred; Rose Ellen Challis (b 1895 in Dover) and Florence's father Henry Challis (b 1836 St Lawrence).   I know that Winford married in Rochester and died in 1950, and that Henry died in 1910. I have been unable to find Winford, Florence or Rose on the 1911 census so am a bit puzzled as to what might have happened to them. As previously mentioned they were in the Buckland Union in 1901. Any help or guidance would be much appreciated.

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Re: Workhouse Records
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2013, 20:06:08 »
Hi Scoop
Living in Wales, means I cannot visit Kent Libraries.
Can you tell me when (why) these two came to Dover Workhouse sometime between 1891 & 1901 Census
Thomas Hogben, born 1814 Capel and his wife Agnes born 1828
Thomas died 6.7.1901 (age 81 - so possibly born 1820!!)
Agnes died 9.8.1909 (age 81)
Both of old age

Many thanks

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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2013, 12:51:09 »
and Scoop is one of the best at coming up with the answers.

 

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