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Offline Ron Stilwell

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Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2013, 11:23:25 »
I wouldn't have thought they would be, but there are loads of new ones on Ebay.  About £5 each.

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Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2013, 11:03:20 »
...........any one remember the black and yellow elastic belts with a snake (S shape) clasp?
I certainly remember the belts with the 'snake' clasp, but think they were available in a variety if colours, not just black and yellow. Are they no longer made?
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Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2013, 10:08:27 »
Definitely Buckets Mike S. Right next door to St Margarets. My other half knew the daughter Jill well and she married a bloke named Colin Baxter.
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Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2013, 08:42:23 »
Hi Peterchall
Spot on ref. Wares goods, they sold mostly children's & women's clothing plus a vast array of knitting, sewing and embroidery impedimenta, all good quality merchandise.
My mother always bought my grey flannel school shorts/trousers there, any one remember the black and yellow elastic belts with a snake (S shape) clasp?

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Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2013, 10:58:13 »
The dictionary description of ‘haberdasher’ is a seller of sewing materials, but Ware’s were much more than that. They sold textile fabrics, making them ‘drapers’, and clothes, which made them – what?

I stand to be corrected, but I think they were ready made clothes, and the clothes were mainly (or wholly) women’s and children’s. My eldest daughter remembers going there for sewing materials etc until at least the early-mid 80’s; since she lived in Rainham it must have been worthwhile travelling that distance. I can only remember going in there as a kid, with my mother, but agree with Signals99 that it was a step back it time and wouldn’t have been out of place in a Dickensian novel.

It doesn’t look as if I will get any confirmation of the family tragedy (thanks for checking the registers, Scoop) but it sprang immediately to my mind when this thread opened - my mind’s eye shows my grandmother talking about it, so it goes back many years and I’m reluctant to admit that it was a figment of my imagination created by this thread.
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Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2013, 10:10:52 »
AlanH - I think that the Bakers you refer to was probably Bowketts - remember it well.

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Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
« Reply #32 on: September 06, 2013, 09:36:00 »
Same as you Signals99, I love to read all these old memories. I replied to one about Dr Gee then found another about  Wares the "haberdashers" which answered my question about what they did and was that the word to describe them.:-)
And Buckets the bakers was mentioned as well. Going to St Margaret's and smelling those wonderful smells from the bakery and sampling the hot fresh loaves has given me a life long love of bread and I can see the evidence of that in the mirror......
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Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2013, 11:03:12 »
"Oh how I love old memories", Rochester-bred.
We all have our reasons for subscribing to KHF, some enthuse over old fortifications, some love a mystery, others love delving into the past. There are even those who get a kick from locomotives/railways.
There is the serious researcher, happy to provide obscure facts and figures from bygone days.
Each and every one makes up team KHF.
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Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2013, 09:25:24 »
Lady that owned Wares was Margaret Percy, husband Ron was a tanker driver for Harold Wood, daughter Kelly. They lived in a large detached house on City Way above the George, opposite the chemists.
Margaret had a small factory opposite Wares behind the newsagents making babyware.
When coming out of Wares she moved to Preistfields. I think the shop closed early 90s as I was living in Spain at the time and whenever we came back my wife made a point of going there. 

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Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2013, 08:48:45 »
Going back to Wares when I was first engaged as a teen I would look in the 3 large windows and pick things to go in my bottom drawer for my marriage and home like napkins,table clothes, aprons etc  ,I even bought baby clothes to pack away there too advance planning I know,we don't seem to have bottom drawers these days how sad ,but I have a picture of when my first son was a baby in a beautiful Wares outfit a Romper suit which was a little dress over matching briefs/pants, the ladies on here will know the kind I mean,strange when my grandchildren see the picture they ask why did I dress their dad in a girls clothes not understanding that was the style back them, one day I will learn to upload pictures on here as I have a few but Iv not been able to work it out.
 Signals The pub The Brewery arms was another haunt of my dads ,actually I cant think of a pub which was not in Rochester , next door Dr Gee used to sell slimming pills as part of his private practise as a neighbour used him all the time (they never worked). Oh how I love the old memories. :)
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Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2013, 00:03:31 »
My apologies to all ref cake shop name, it was Cox. I spoke to an old friend, she lived in Gravel Walk.
Dr Gee had the surgery next to the pub, it was a private practice, he specialised in "anti social diseases as well as general medicine.
Next to Cox's was an old builder's yard, the side facing Victoria Street was obscured by a large hoarding, the hall at the back housed a printing press for the Evening Standard; they printed the classified results on the late editions(horse racing /foot ball).
I asked her about the Ware tragedy ,said she would think about it .
Mentioned a plumbing firm instead & reed?in the area, any feed back on that one?

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Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2013, 23:20:04 »
Peterchall, I can't see any likely 'Ware' Female Deaths registered in Chatham or Medway districts between 1925 & 1955.  The youngest I found was aged 53.

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Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2013, 22:17:16 »
If it's not being morbid, I'd like to know if my memory of the family tragedy is correct.
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Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2013, 21:52:55 »
You will have to wait a bit longer  :) I tried the number I had and it wasn't the right one, back to the drawing board. Can get it tomorrow, her parents are neighbours of mine .
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Re: Haberdashers Victoria Street, Rochester
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2013, 21:22:02 »
Thanks to Scoop, Redge and Numanfan it’s clearer. :)

Starting from the far end and working back towards Star Hill, we have:
•   25 = Brewery Arms with just one number. Silly of me to assume that because it had 3 doors it had 3 numbers.
•   23 = Miss Milford (1955); Miss Moore (1974)
•   21 =Now derelict single storey. Part of Doctor’s in 1974
•   19 = Doctor’s in 1955 and 1974
•   17 = Darker bricked house. Cyril Brigden (1974)

That makes the 3 lighter bricked houses Nos 11, 13, and 15, as stated by Scoop. Being of the same appearance it is more likely that was the location of Ware’s shop than my earlier assumption that it consisted of 2 light bricked and 1 dark bricked house - I wasn’t happy with that.

Then the bakers at No 9 in 1955 and 1974 accords with Signal99’s memory of it being next to Ware’s.

Then the Nos 1 to 7 records in 1955 and 1974 all fit. I had assumed 2 houses in the white topped part because of 2 doors, but can see that it could be 3 flats – in fact, in Reply#9 I referred to them as ‘houses/flats’

Does that all make sense?

Looking forward to LynL's update.
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