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Re: Air Raid. London Dover Margate. 4/5 September 1917
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2018, 09:14:13 »
Thanks conan I was hoping that was the case and a very good job made of them.

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Re: Air Raid. London Dover Margate. 4/5 September 1917
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2018, 23:54:27 »
No Smiler, the The two houses in the first photo are the two with the first floor balconies in the second.
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Re: Air Raid. London Dover Margate. 4/5 September 1917
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2018, 12:05:35 »
  conan, just checking is the badly damaged house in first photo now the yellow topped house?

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Re: Air Raid. London Dover Margate. 4/5 September 1917
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2018, 23:03:04 »
Damage to Surrey road Cliftonville



and the same houses today

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Re: Air Raid. London Dover Margate. 4/5 September 1917
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2015, 23:00:50 »
At Nos 4 and 5 Widred Road, Mr E. Little was killed and Mrs Smith died later from her injuries. Her husband, along with Mrs Holland and Mrs Voller and her son, were injured.

Bombing of 4 Widred Rd 4th September.
Dover Express 07 Sep 1917
".... At Mr. Smith's house the casualties were much worse.  On the arrival of a police inspector, with several workers, it was reported that three people had been buried in the ruins.  The house was in such a condition that it had to be approached with much care from the rear.  Eventually it was found that a resident, seventy-three years of age, and an old employee of the Gas Company, and the step-father of Mr. Smith, had been killed, and his body was removed to the Mortuary.  Under the staircase it was found that Mr. and Mrs. Smith were buried.  The task of getting them out was supervised by the inspector, and proved to be one of great difficulty.  The refuse could only be removed by one person, and the greatest care had to be exercised to prevent other refuse falling.  After considerable difficulty, the faces of both Mr. and Mrs. Smith were got clear and ambulance men gave them restoratives.  They were eventually recued and taken to the Hospital.  They were absolutely black from the dust and brick rubbish, and a great deal knocked about.  Mr. Smith had his leg injured and was otherwise cut about.  Mrs. Smith had a scalp wound and injuries to her breast.  A beam that had fallen down had kept the rubbish from pressing on them.  They were at once removed to Hospital...."

Victims;
Mr. E. Little - Edward Little, age 73, born Dover (The article reports him as step-father but he appears to be father in law). His funeral took place Saturday 8th Sep., 1917 at St. Bartholomew's & Charlton Cemetery.
 
Mrs. Smith - Minnie Rhoda Smith nee Little, age 40 born Dover. Died on Thursday 11 October 1917 from septic poisoning having been in hospital since the raid. Her funeral took place on Wednesday 17th October, 1917 at an unspecified church and graveyard/burial ground.

The surviving Mr. Smith - George William Smith, age circa 43 born Deal. Husband of Minnie Rhoda.

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Re: Air Raid. London Dover Margate. 4/5 September 1917
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2014, 21:59:31 »
Erm your right HERB COLLECTOR  sorry about that probably because I photocopied it before so forgot about it :(

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Re: Air Raid. London Dover Margate. 4/5 September 1917
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2014, 20:44:02 »
Erm, smiler, your post concerns the raid of the night of 3/4 September 1917. You have already posted it under the correct topic.
http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=17754.msg154327#msg154327
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Re: Air Raid. London Dover Margate. 4/5 September 1917
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2014, 15:09:38 »
A feature of that and many other raids of the time seems to be the ‘tour’ made by the attackers, dropping part of their load on each target. I would have thought far safer for the planes to split up and each drop their bombs on the several targets simultaneously. It probably says something about the effectiveness of the defences compared to WW2, when the tactic would have been to go in, drop the bombs and get out ASAP.
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Re: Air Raid. London Dover Margate. 4/5 September 1917
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2014, 13:55:00 »
Sept 4th 1917  Once again a defenceless Kent town has suffered disastrously from a raid by Gotha bombers. Just before midnight last night four of these monsters took off from an airfield near Ghent, each with a 300 lb bomb load, intent on causing as much destruction as possible. They succeeded. Damaged was caused at Margate and Sheerness and, at Chatham, a bomb fell on the barracks, killed 136 naval ratings and injured many more. The Gothas then returned to Belgium without opposition.
    The full horror of the night is beginning to unfold. The bombers crossed the Channel when the home defences had organised a practice alert to test night defences and many of the gun crews were unaware of the real situation. No night fighters were available, the anti aircraft guns were badly sited and the searchlights completely missed their targets. In fact so successful was the raid there is a real fear they will return again and again.
    It was 10.30 pm that Margate was attacked with little damage and no loss of life. The 4 Gothas, (one had turned back with engine trouble) altered course for the naval town of Sheerness and several more bombs were unloaded. Soon after 11pm they were heard over Chatham and the first bomb fell on the naval barracks with horrifying results. More bombs fell, on the inner Lines, on Trinity School, on the burial ground and the High Street. Damage was vast but the loss of life was confined to those unfortunate ratings in the barracks.
   The rescue squads were quickly on the scene and in the moonlight carried bodies into a room which had been converted into a makeshift mortuary. The seriously wounded were taken to hospital.
       from Kent a chronicle of the Century by Bob Ogley.

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Re: Air Raid. London Dover Margate. 4/5 September 1917
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2014, 18:43:56 »
On the following night (4/5 Sep) a more determined raid took place, and during the passage over Margate of several squadrons of raiders, considerable damage was inflicted upon property in the vicinity of Surrey Road, Eastern Esplanade and Cornwall Gardens. One missile, which exploded at No. 13, Surrey Road, practically demolished the house but the five women by whom it was occupied were afterwards rescued alive and only slightly injured. A policeman who was cycling by at the time was thrown from his machine by the force of the explosion but was soon at work helping, with the aid of soldiers, to rescue the imprisoned occupants of the wrecked building. A youth and a young woman walking along Surrey Road were also injured by splinters from a bomb which fell outside the Hotel Florence. The absence of casualties at many of the damaged houses was due to the fact that the occupiers were living away from the town at the time.

From Thanet's Raid History page 25.
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Air Raid. London Dover Margate. 4/5 September 1917
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2014, 22:33:07 »
Night raid by Kagohl 3 on London, Dover, Margate and various places in Essex and Suffolk.
Eleven Gothas were despatched with two returning with engine trouble. The remaining Gothas made landfall at various points between Orfordness and Dover between 22.20hrs and 00.10hrs.

Five Gothas reached London, where there were 16 people killed and 56 injured.

At Dover bombs fell to the north and east of Priory Station. Mr H. Long was killed when a bomb, which failed to explode, fell on his house at Priory Hill. At Nos 4 and 5 Widred Road, Mr E. Little was killed and Mrs Smith died later from her injuries. Her husband, along with Mrs Holland and Mrs Voller and her son, were injured. Properties in Queens Court and Odo Road were also damaged, as was Tolputts timber yard.

In Cliftonville, 8 people were injured and some 40 properties damaged when a group of bombs fell on Eastern Esplanade, Cornwall Gardens and Surrey Road, in which No. 13 was completely demolished.

In total 6,750lbs of bombs were dropped which resulted in 19 deaths and 71 injuries.
The last of the raiders flew east over Deal at 02.15hrs.

There were a total of 18 defence sorties.

5 flown by 37 Squadron RFC at Goldhanger and Stow Maries.
6 flown by 39 Squadron RFC at Northweald.
4 flown by 44 Squadron RFC at Hainault.
3 flown by 50 Squadron RFC at Bekesbourne.
Pilots from 37 and 50 squadrons fired at enemy aircraft without effect.

It is possible that a Gotha was brought down by the Anti-Aircraft gun at Borstal.
A Gotha admitted by the Germans as missing was probably the victim of the Borstal AA gun, commanded by 2nd Lieut Charles Kendrew. His searchlight operator, Corporal J. Letley, held an aircraft for about seven minutes from 23.30hr, and after what appeared to be a direct hit, it went into a steep dive. It was not seen to crash and subsequent dredging in the Medway produced no wreckage. However, 15 miles to the east a Sheppey gun section reported an aircraft with heavily labouring engines and showing a white light slowly descending out to sea off Eastchurch.
The Air Defence of Britain 1914-1918. Cole and Cheesman. IBSN 0-370-30538-8. Page 325.

The missing aircraft was piloted by Unteroffizier Theodor Fries.

See also 'No. 7 Company Observer Corps, 4th/5th Sept 1917' @ http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=17764.0

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