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Re: Little Ship: Advance June 2nd-June 3rd
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2017, 19:37:09 »
Thank you to all who helped.  In the end the tower in the background was the key. It's Wellington Clock Tower, in Swanage, Dorset.  So we have a location.

Thank you goodness.


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Re: Little Ship: Advance June 2nd-June 3rd
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2017, 07:21:23 »
Sorry my fault for the confusion.

I misread the 26th. June 1941 (write off) as 26th. June 1940 as 1940 was the date she was beached and my brain mistakenly linked it to Dunkirk Evacuation.

mikegunnill correctly explained my mistake.

As this has got lost after my rubbish post I thought it worth repeating -

"Would any of our members know if there are any records at The National Archive that might help, not something I know much about."

Apologies for causing upset.

No problem Longpockets, very grateful for your interest.

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Re: Little Ship: Advance June 2nd-June 3rd
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2017, 20:49:22 »
Sorry my fault for the confusion.

I misread the 26th. June 1941 (write off) as 26th. June 1940 as 1940 was the date she was beached and my brain mistakenly linked it to Dunkirk Evacuation.

mikegunnill correctly explained my mistake.

As this has got lost after my rubbish post I thought it worth repeating -

"Would any of our members know if there are any records at The National Archive that might help, not something I know much about."

Apologies for causing upset.



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Re: Little Ship: Advance June 2nd-June 3rd
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2017, 18:13:29 »
I am at a loss here. Dates are being quoted as June 1940 and 1941.
         As far as I am aware, the op Dynamo rescue took place from the 28th MAY until the 4th JUNE. 1940.
                  Either a lot of duff gen. appearing, or a plethora of typos. :)

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Re: Little Ship: Advance June 2nd-June 3rd
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2017, 17:16:08 »
The ref to 26th is on your post no.5 Mike.
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"This shows the boats history suddenly ending June 26th 1941 with what is called a " total write off."

Longpockets was linking that date to leaving Teddington.  He must have been mistaken. The date above in 1941 was the " a total write off " date from the War List. I need to find what happened on that date June 26th, 1941.  Any ideas Grandarog, my head hurts?

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Re: Little Ship: Advance June 2nd-June 3rd
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2017, 16:23:08 »
The ref to 26th is on your post no.5 Mike.
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"This shows the boats history suddenly ending June 26th 1941 with what is called a " total write off."


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Re: Little Ship: Advance June 2nd-June 3rd
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2017, 13:24:32 »
Was the date of 26th. a typo?

If not this is very confusing, according to Assoc. Dunkirk Little Ships Advance did not leave Teddington until the 28th.,  leaving Dover for Dunkirk on 29th. and returning (being beached at 05.30) I assume the next day 30th.

Good luck.

Just thought, do any of our members know if there are any records at The National Archive that might help, not something I know much about.

Where is the reference to 26th?  Although they were down there stripping out the boat of extra weight.

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Re: Little Ship: Advance June 2nd-June 3rd
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2017, 18:46:06 »
Was the date of 26th. a typo?

If not this is very confusing, according to Assoc. Dunkirk Little Ships Advance did not leave Teddington until the 28th.,  leaving Dover for Dunkirk on 29th. and returning (being beached at 05.30) I assume the next day 30th.

Good luck.

Just thought, do any of our members know if there are any records at The National Archive that might help, not something I know much about.


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Re: Little Ship: Advance June 2nd-June 3rd
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2017, 21:49:10 »

I think here in this instance it is P.O.    R. W. Rawlings.

Petty Officer and R. W. being his intitials?

Thank you, now you have said that I can see it. Sorry a little slow.  I had a break through today, I got the Ministry of War Transport List. This shows the boats history suddenly ending June 26th 1941 with what is called a " total write off."  I need to find out what happened that day, so I am making progress.  Thanks Longpockets.

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Re: Little Ship: Advance June 2nd-June 3rd
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2017, 19:02:05 »
I think here in this instance it is P.O. R. W. Rawlings.

Petty Officer and R. W. being his intitials?

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Re: Little Ship: Advance June 2nd-June 3rd
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2017, 08:50:52 »
This link -

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=I0XKAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA150&lpg=PA150&dq=Dunkirk+Lt.+P+Snow+RN&source=bl&ots=HW1yk3PNHu&sig=v8NGqn3VaWbFzpqpmQ-zFH7U9v8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwii8JXjp8XSAhUKBcAKHRuoAjkQ6AEIHzAB#v=onepage&q=Dunkirk%20Lt.%20P%20Snow%20RN&f=false

has S/Lt. P Snow with launch Reda and the owner of Advance C. P. Dick against Advance.

The entry at Dunkirk Little Ships then confuses this - http://www.adls.org.uk/t1/node/692


Thank you for this.  My S/Lt P. Snow made two crossings to Dunkirk, the first in Reda, now called Janthea and an active member of the Dunkirk Little Ships.

Snow on the second crossing June 2nd-3rd was in command of Advance.  The three man crew of Advance were arrested 48 hours after their return from Dunkirk as two were found to be BUF members.

I have tried Greenwich, they said it was more Little Ships matter.

So still need to find Advance: did she return after June 3rd and S/Lt P.Snow.  Do you know what P.O.R.W. meanings infant of a surname? 

Thank you again, I am grateful.

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Re: Little Ship: Advance June 2nd-June 3rd
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2017, 18:22:52 »
Hi Mike,

A long shot I know, but have you tried the National Maritime Museum? They may have documents relating to Sub Lt. Snow.

www.rmg.co.uk for starters...
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Little Ship: Advance June 2nd-June 3rd
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2017, 15:35:40 »
Dear All:

I am looking for suggestions please as I have hit a research brick wall.  I would like further information on the motor launch Advance.  She made a second crossing to Dunkirk on June 2nd 1940 returning the next day under the command of S/Lt P. Snow.  It is the second sortie I am interested in.  I would like to know what happened to the Teddington based Advance, whether she returned from Dunkirk on June 3rd.

I have tried the Little Ships Association, without any success so far.  I was hoping for a crew list for June 2nd - June 3rd and a crew list for May 28th - May 29th.  I know the Advance was badly damaged and beached at Ramsgate but she was repaired for another crossing.

I am also seeking detail on S/Lt P. Snow RN.

Any suggestions (please keep them clean) or where to look and search would be appreciated.  The National Archives are sending a statement made by the first crew, but this will not arrive for three weeks.

Thank you


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