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Re: Re: Grain Fort
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2010, 14:30:47 »
Welocme along pepex and thank you for the added information.  The Whithall Farm Battery has information and pictures here: http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=3304.0

It must be so nice to have the memory of the guns in place, it seems so hard to imagine them being there now!

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Re: Re: Grain Fort
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2010, 13:37:01 »
Hi Kyn. I enjoyed your photos. I lived in Grain in the late 40s early 50s. My father was a sergeant in the RA. He left the army a few years after the war after serving at P&EE Shoeburyness and Yantlet Battery. He was a caretaker at Grain Fort for a while before working at the new refinery. I remember him testing the electric light stations in front of the fort at night and starting up the diesel generators in a building at the end of Smithfield Road facing Grain Tower.

My brother and I played in the fort when the guns were there and I can remember seeing the shells stored in the magazine below. There were three forts close together as shown in your photos. South of Grain Fort was Grain Battery, built in 1900/01, which had 4 x 6" BL's. To the SE was Wing Battery, built in 1895, which had 2 x 4.7" QF guns and 2 x RMLS. To the south of these forts was the living quarters (shown in your photos) for the 800 or so men serving at the WW1 Grain and Port Victoria Naval Air Stations. These quarters were built around the old Costguard cottages which were taken over by the navy.

At one stage in Grain I used to live in a cottage at the back of the big farmhouse at Whitehall Farm. Next to the cottage was a military camp which I remember had a couple of gun emplacements (probably AA). Interestingly, the camp was occupied again for a short time in the early 50s after gunners at Sheerness shot down a taget tug aircraft during firing exercises. The plane crashed into the sea NW of Whitehall Farm near the sea wall. Fortunately the two air crew were rescued and the aircraft was retrieved by RAF personnel who stayed at the camp.

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Re: Re: Grain Fort
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2010, 15:21:21 »
Defence Posts

1.   S.M. Emplacement - L. front of B.O.P. - Home Guard - 4 men
2.   Bren gun post - 30 x front of B.O.P. - Reserve B.O.P. - 2 men
3.   Rifle post - Side of Bofors - No. 2 Gun Detachment - 4 men
4.   Bren Gun Post - L. front G.2. Gun - No.2 Gun Detachment - 2 men
5.   Rifle post - R. front G.1. gun - No.1 Gun Detachment - 4 men
6.   Bren Gun Post - R. of S.O.P. - No.1 Gun Detachment - 2 men
7.   Solothurn post - R. of S.O.P. - Gnrs Farley and Plumbley - 2 men
8.   Heavy M.G. post - Embankment above No.1 engine room - Home Guard - 2 men
9.   Bren Gun post - 20 x R. of No.8 - Employed - 2 men
10.   S.M. Emplacement - West wall of fort - Home Guard - 4 men
11.   Roof - West wall of fort - Employed - 10 men
12.   No.1 C.A.S.L. - River front - C.A.S.L. Res: - 4 men
13.   No.2 C.A.S.L. - River front - C.A.S.L. Res: - 4 men

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Re: Re: Grain Fort
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2010, 09:34:34 »
Although the area below the fort in the first picture looks like a defensive work I do not believe it is.  The compound does look like barrack accomodation but so far I have not found any information regarding this.



1944

The role of Grain Fort was close defence of the Estuary using the 6 inch equipment, they were to destroy or drive away all enemy vessels which were in range including enemy aircraft landing in the water.  Targets to be engaged in priority order are:

Transports
Boomsmashers
Destroyers
Submarines
M.T.B's

In the event of an invasion "no gun will remain idle until all targets within range bearing have been disabled."

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Re: Re: Grain Fort
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2010, 17:19:58 »
Kyn, in your first photograph, is that another defensive work at the bottom of the picture and just slightly right of a line drawn down from Grain Fort? Also, just below Grain Fort and on a line drawn at 45 degrees down to the right - are they all military encampments?

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Re: Re: Grain Fort
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2010, 17:14:51 »
IT does but on a larger scale.  I have not heard of any other batteries in this area that are not already on the forum.  Whitehall Battery can be seen to the left of Grain Fort in the last photo above and the emplacements are that small that they can't be made out.

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Re: Re: Grain Fort
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2010, 16:15:57 »
Looks very similar in make up to the 'Whitehall Battery' you posted on.



(The original post being http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=3304.0)
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Re: Re: Grain Fort
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2010, 15:34:40 »
No idea, I think it was looked into on another forum a while ago but nobody found out what it was.

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Re: Re: Grain Fort
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2010, 12:18:00 »

Kyn - do you know what the structure is at the bottom left of this photo? It has now been covered by newish housing, but it looks like a gun position of some description.
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Re: Re: Grain Fort
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2010, 10:29:45 »
Couple of aerial shots from the file WO 192/83 at the National Archives

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Re: Re: Grain Fort
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2009, 13:23:28 »
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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2009, 21:52:21 »
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Re: Re: Grain Fort
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2009, 08:29:27 »
Yep, it seems not alot of people knew this.  The info was gathered by the Amherst guys while they were doing a survey for english Heritage.  It took them back a bit too, I wonder if they were intending to evacuate the civilians first or if it would be "too late" once invasion was underway?

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Re: Re: Grain Fort
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2009, 17:51:17 »
The targets listed are interesting as it means the Grain Fort guns could traverse through 360 degrees to fire inland directly over the top of Grain village!

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Re: Re: Grain Fort
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2009, 16:02:58 »
Grain fort 19.6.41
9.2 Battery Landwards Firing Data

Serial NumberTargetGivenFoundBearing
H.5High Halstow2293223938264
H.6Cooling1994197946288
H.9Great Chattenden Wood Area1992190920259
H.10Ladys Close Cliffe1892180920259
H.11Hoo2290226907248
S.1Leysdown4888485885110
S.2Eastchurch4389431897118
S.3Eastchurch Aerodrome4288430881125
S.4Minster3991399912120
S.5Building Estate3390384909130
S.6Road Junction370889370889144
                                    

Signed: L. Lapping
Commanding 284th Coast Battery

(In English, these are the places that would be destroyed by Grain Forts guns in the event of enemy invasion)

 

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