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Re: Chatham Convict Prison
« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2011, 23:27:30 »
27th October 1897
Such satisfactory progress has been made with the work of pulling down the old convict prison buildings at St Mary’s-Vale, Chatham and in preparing the foundations for the proposed new naval barracks which are to be erected on the site that the Admiralty have practically decided to commence the actual building in March next.  The work is expected to cover a period of six years.

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Re: Chatham Convict Prison
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2011, 16:38:41 »
I was in the RE Library today getting photographs and noticed both the the Warder's Terrace and Governor's house in several photos (will post them here eventually) and it seems that it was up by the late 1860s, so it must have gone up at about the time, or very soon after, the 1866 map was made.

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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2011, 08:53:40 »
I recently acquired this photograph showing the Warders' Quarters at the Chatham Convict Prison. It is about 16 cm high by about 21.5 cm wide, mounted on part of an old thin card album page with a poem written on the back. Inscribed on the album card is Prison Quarters / Brompton / Chatham.
The houses were the homes of the prison officers. A few names of officers and doctors are also written beneath the photograph: Captain Harris Govr.         Capt. Burgoyne (JBN [or W]) Dep G            Dr. Voysey        Dr. Walker     Major Pierson Dep. G.
On the right is a (later?) pencil inscription March 1887 - Oct. 1892.

Comparing it to the 1866 OS Map I think the Governor's House in the foreground was built after 1866.

(In this directory the address for each person is St. Mary’s Vale, with George Walker noted as being at 4 St. Mary’s Vale, Clement Voisey at 3 St. Mary’s Vale)

The names tie in well with the inscribed dates, so I am guessing the photo is late 1880s.


Great piece of work Leofwine. The 1881 census confirms the address as St Mary's Vale, also the row of buildings down the left were flats. The 1896 map shows the Governor's house and the buildings on the right of the photo. The 1891 census - 804 convicts - 116 officers (probably included all support staff) - No in officers families 483. I also recollect a few prison officers living in streets close to the prison eg. Mill Road, Wyles St, Medway Road etc. In 1901 Capt. Burgoyne was Governor of Durham Prison at the age of 63 - no early retirement for him.

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Re: Chatham Convict Prison
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2011, 00:13:51 »
I recently acquired this photograph showing the Warders' Quarters at the Chatham Convict Prison. It is about 16 cm high by about 21.5 cm wide, mounted on part of an old thin card album page with a poem written on the back. Inscribed on the album card is Prison Quarters / Brompton / Chatham.
The houses were the homes of the prison officers. A few names of officers and doctors are also written beneath the photograph: Captain Harris Govr.         Capt. Burgoyne (JBN [or W]) Dep G            Dr. Voysey        Dr. Walker     Major Pierson Dep. G.
On the right is a (later?) pencil inscription March 1887 - Oct. 1892.



Comparing it to the 1866 OS Map I think the Governor's House in the foreground was built after 1866.


I have checked the Prison staff in several Directories and have the following (I’m including them all as the information is relevant to the thread as a whole). In all cases the directory entries were in the Old Brompton section of the directories:

1867 Post Office Directory
Capt. T. Folliot Powell, governor
William Pitt Butts & W.T. Hindle, esqrs. deputy governors
J.J.D. Burns, R.N. medical officer
James Steele, L.F.R.S. assistant surgeon
Rev. John K. Marsh, M.A. chaplain
Rev. J.R. Walshaw, M.A. assistant chaplain
Robert Bruce, Steward
Edward Turner, chief warder
Philip Murphy, clerk of works
William Fraser, foreman of works

1870 Post Office Directory
Capt William Pitt Butts, governor
Capt. R.A. Leggett& Capt. Arthur Griffiths, deputy governors
J.J.D. Burns, R.N. medical officer
James Steele, M.D. assistant surgeon
Rev. W.H. Duke, M.A. chaplain
Rev. F.A. Gardiner, M.A. assistant chaplain
Rev. M. O’Sullivan, catholic visiting priest
Rev. G.B. Watson, visiting Presbyterian minister
Robert Bruce, Steward
Edward Turner, chief warder
Philip Murphy, clerk of works
William Fraser, foreman of works

1874 Post Office Directory
Major James C. Farquarson, governor
Capt. J. Christal & Henry Stuart Johnson, deputy governors
J.J.D. Burns, R.N. medical officer
Henry Mayhew, assistant surgeon
Rev. W.H. Duke, M.A. chaplain
Rev John Corr, M.A. assistant chaplain
Rev. Duentin Fleming, Roman Catholic visiting priest
Rev. G.B. Watson, visiting Presbyterian minister
Robert Bruce, Steward
Edward Turner, chief warder
Richard Weaver, C.E. clerk of works
William Fraser, foreman of works

1882 Kelly’s Directory
Capt. Harris, governor
Captain R.H. Burgoyne & Capt. G.A. Dawson, deputy governors
R. Charlton Harrison, L.R.P.C. Lon. principal medical officer
Arthur Purkiss, M.B. assistant surgeon
Rev. William H. Duke, M.A. chaplain
Rev. John Thompson Phipps, Th.A.K.C.I. assistant chaplain
(In this directory the address for each person is St. Mary’s Vale, with Arthur Purkiss noted as being at 7 St. Mary’s Vale)

1891 Kelly’s Directory
Capt. W. F. V. Harris, governor
Captain R. D. G. H. Burgoyne & Major E.G. Clayton, deputy governors
George Edward Walker, principal medical officer
Clement Bernard Voisey, M.D. Lond. assistant surgeon
Rev. Joseph Bishop Wheeler chaplain
David Hogg, steward
(In this directory the address for each person is St. Mary’s Vale, with George Walker noted as being at 4 St. Mary’s Vale, Clement Voisey at 3 St. Mary’s Vale)

The names tie in well with the inscribed dates, so I am guessing the photo is late 1880s.


The poem on the back is "Wings". "Wings" was adopted as the RE Quick March in 1870 and in 1902 the "Wings" was Officially recognised. I wonder if this means that the photo belonged to a Royal Engineer who was a warder at the prison?
It consists of two Tunes - The path across the hills (German) and Dolores (Miss Dickinson).



The words are:

Wings to bear me over mountain and vale away;
Wings to bathe my spirit in morning's sunny ray.
Wings that I may hover at morn above the sea;
Wings through life to bear me, and death triumphantly.

Wings like youth's fleet moments which swiftly o'er me passed;
Wings like my early visions, too bright, too fair to last.
Wings that I might recall them, the loved, the lost, the dead;
Wings that I might fly the past, long vanished.

[Wings to lift me upward, soaring with Eagle flight;
Wings to waft me 'heav'ward to bask in realms of light.]
Wings to be no more wearied,lulled in eternal rest;
Wings to be sweetly folded where Faith and Love are blessed.

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Re: Chatham Convict Prison
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2011, 09:32:27 »
Those of you that are interested in the Hulks may find Keith Gulvin's new book of interest.  Its called The Medway Prison Hulks.

http://www.l-13.org/acatalog/BOOKS.html#a150

Cover by Billy Childish.

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Re: Chatham Convict Prison
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2011, 05:07:16 »
Similar to kyn's photo, but different enough to warrant posting I think.   The prison in the 1860s.


Photograph reproduced by permission of the Royal Engineers Museum www.re-museum.co.uk
Larger versions here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/22124479@N03/5430135172/in/photostream/

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Re: Chatham Convict Prison
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2010, 22:29:34 »
A letter from Mariner John Walton, to his wife Catherine, from the Prison Hulk Nassau, in 1813, gives an idea on the serious threat of disease that the prisoners feared whilst held upon the hulks.  He says:

I am in prison but I am not much in want... we was taken on the first day of August and carried into the Orkney Islands... I was very sick of the fever when we arrived at Chatham I met with Brother Mason but I did not know him I was so near dead.
 This prisoner appears as no. 296 at http://www.1812privateers.org/US/Nassua.pdf

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Re: Chatham Convict Prison
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2010, 07:31:19 »
CAPTION READS: Convicts labouring at St Mary's Convict Prison on St Mary's Island, Chatham, Kent, 1861. It opened in 1856 to house the prisoners from the prison hulks (floating prisons) at Chatham and Woolwich. Published in the Illustrated London News - pub. 9th May 1861

photo links;
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/95888925/Hulton-Archive
and inside of prison here;
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/95888796/Hulton-Archive

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Re: Chatham Convict Prison
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Re: Chatham Convict Prison
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Re: Chatham Convict Prison
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2009, 18:55:28 »
The brickfields were on st Mary's Island.  The prison was one the site of HMS Pembroke which is now Grenwich University in Chatham.

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« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2009, 18:27:27 »
My Gt Grandmothers nephew was an assistant warder at Chatham Convict Prison from 1888 to Sept 1891 when he was transferred to Portsmouth prison, he was a Hampshire man born and bred but moved back to Chatham with his family and between 1901 and 1905 became a warder at Chatham Prison, where would that have been then ?? It's on the forum somewhere I'm sure, but where.  After leaving the prison service he was at one time Verger at Holy Trinity Church, Brompton and later a Verger at St Marks in Gillingham, lived in Marlborough Road Gillingham but died in 1935 at 42, Magpie Hall Road, Chatham which was the workhouse . At one point he'd been a warder at Dartmoor Prison, but was moved to Portland Prison after disciplinary action, he'd given concessions to a prisoner apparently, who then escaped !! oops.
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Re: Chatham Convict Prison
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2009, 18:21:59 »
Do you know where this was and whats there now?

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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2009, 11:16:43 »
Archives have a picture of the memorial at St Mary's Island before it was transfered to St Georges Church, apparently its a very rare photo!

 

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