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Offline Dave Smith

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Re: Vickers Aircraft Company and Joyce Green airfield
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2016, 18:28:38 »
H.C. Interesting aerial, thanks. On that same site is an aerial of Dover aerodrome 1917; directly behind the castle. Conan's comment that Joyce Green hadn't YET been built on was interesting. Probably in a flood plain, which wouldn't deter developers nowadays!

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Re: Vickers Aircraft Company and Joyce Green airfield
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2016, 17:51:49 »
~ Your comment re "plane spotting notebook of the 20's must make you, " The Grand Old Man of the KHF"?-  ~

I was being mischievous :)

Link to aerial photo of Joyce Green Aerodrome taken 31 August 1917.
http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205354022
Nice comparison with conan's photo.

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Re: Vickers Aircraft Company and Joyce Green airfield
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2016, 17:33:43 »
The site of Joyce green has yet to built on, although development is fast approaching.

   

As an aside the streets nearest to the site are named after Rolling Stones records including Ruby Tuesday drive.
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Re: Vickers Aircraft Company and Joyce Green airfield
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2016, 14:47:25 »
Herb Collector.Thanks for info'. Your comment re "plane spotting notebook of the 20's must make you, " The Grand Old Man of the KHF"?- or was that your Dad's notebook? I imagine Joyce Green has long been concreted over with housing. Incidently, the photo's of Vickers Vimy's reminded me that we had an instructor on Merlins at Halton ( name Allwright- we called him ok!) who had been some years in Hibbanya, Iraq with the RAF. The Vimmy had a front mounted gun on a ring which could be spring loaded to bring it round from "downwind" into the airflow to fire forward. They had some poor labouring soul called Abdul, who was sent into the turret & told to test the operating lever. With no wind resistance, it absolutely flew around causing much panic- to everyone else's glee. We told him he was a "spiteful sod"! 

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Re: Vickers Aircraft Company and Joyce Green airfield
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2016, 19:37:22 »
Conan's photos show, top, a Vickers Victoria, in service with the RAF from 1926 to 1935.
Bottom, a Vickers Virginia Mk VI, in service from 1925.
In 1919 Vickers moved their aircraft production from Crayford to Weybridge in Surrey.
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Re: Vickers Aircraft Company and Joyce Green airfield
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2016, 16:31:39 »
Here`s a couple from dad`s archive. The first one is marked as at Joyce Green;  the second has no identification as to where.   





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Re: Vickers Aircraft Company and Joyce Green airfield
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2016, 23:14:52 »
Vickers FB 27 Vimy

Three Vimy prototypes and fourteen production Vimys plus one Vimy Commercial were built at the Vickers Crayford works.
This post details the Vimy prototypes and lists the Vimys known to have served the RAF in Kent.
For a good general history of the Vimy see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Vimy

The Vickers Vimy was designed by a team led by Reginald K Pierson, Chief Designer at Vickers, in response to an Air Board specification calling for a multi-engined night bomber. Three prototypes were ordered, B9952 to B9954.

The first prototype B9952 made its first flight on the 30th November 1917 at Joyce Green with Capt Gordon Bell as pilot. The planned engines, a pair of Royal Aircraft Factory 200hp 4d air-cooled V-12s were not ready in time (production of the engine was later abandoned) and B9952 was given two 200hp Hispano-Suizas. The machine arrived at Martlesham Heath for performance trials in January 1918. Despite engine problems the machine returned excellent performance figures. B9952 was returned to Vickers for rebuilding, the engines were replaced by two 260hp Salmson 9Zm water-cooled radials, the dihedral was increased from 1 to 3 deg, and other modifications were made. In August 1919 it was displayed as part of the Vickers exhibit at the Eerste Luchtvaart Tentoonstelling Amsterdam.

The second prototype B9953 made its maiden flight in February 1918 with a pair of Sunbeam 260hp Maori engines. It crashed at Martlesham Heath in May 1918 due to engine failure.
In March the name Vimy, after the Battle of Vimy Ridge, was officially registered for the aircraft.

The third prototype B9954, first flew in June 1918 with two Fiat 300hp A12 bis engines. It was destroyed at Martlesham Heath on the 11th September 1918 when it stalled just after take-off and its fully armed bomb load exploded on impact, killing the pilot.

Two more prototypes were built by Vickers at Weybridge (Brooklands). The first of these, F9569, was fitted with Rolls-Royce Eagle engines, which were to become standard for production Vimys. A total of 235 production Vimys were built for the RAF. Of these fourteen, F701 TO F714, were built at Crayford, the others being built by Vickers at Weybridge or sub-contracted out to other firms.
F701 was fitted with Fiat engines and was at Martlesham Heath for trials by late February 1919. All of the Vimys produced at Crayford had the then standard PC 10 (a dark greenish drab) on top and side surfaces, and clear-doped linen on the undersides. Most later Vimys were silver-doped overall.
The most famous Vimy, flown by John Alcock and Arthur Brown on the first non-stop trans-Atlantic flight, was built at Weybridge.

Vimy Commercial.
In 1919 Vickers designed a passenger version of the Vimy with capacity for ten passengers. A corpulent wooden monocoque fuselage was married to standard Vimy flying surfaces and engines. The prototype was built at Crayford and made its first flight on the 13th April 1919. A total of 42 more Vimy Commericials were built at Vickers Weybridge works. Three were registered in the UK, one in France, and 38 were delivered to China.
The type was later developed into the Vickers Ambulance and the Vickers Veron, both used by the RAF.

I looked out my note books from my plane-spotting days in the 1920s and can confirm that the following Vimys flew from Kent airfields.

No. 9 Squadron RAF, Manston.
F8631, F8632, F9146, F9147, F9152, F9154, F9173, F9178, F9182, F9184, J7245, J7447.

No. 6 Flying Training School, Manston.
F9157.

Night Flying Flight, Biggin Hill.
F9159, F9176, F9180, F9181, F9183, H651, J7440, J7446, J7448.

Gunnery School, Eastchurch.
F9155, F9163.

Photos: Imperial War Museums.

© IWM (Q 73287) Vickers F.B.27. Prototype 2x200 h.p. geared Hispano-Suizas.
First prototype in hanger at Joyce Green. Note that part of the floor has been dug away to provide overhead clearance.

© IWM (Q 73243) Miscaptioned by the IWM as a Vickers Virgina. Another view of the first prototype, now fitted with two Salmson engines.

© IWM (Q 73359) The IWM caption claims that this is the third prototype. It is in fact the second prototype, fitted with Sunbeam engines.

© IWM (Q 73358) Vickers Vimy heavy bomber biplane, 3rd prototype. Serial number B 9954. Aircraft stalled off at take off at Martlesham and blew up as bombs were live for practice.
Note the revised nose which distinguished it from the first two prototypes.

© IWM (Q 73248) Vickers Vimy Commercial civilian biplane, prototype K-107, Brooklands Aerodrome.
First registered as K-107, later to be G-EAAV. The aircraft left Brooklands on the 24th January 1920 to attempt to make the first flight to South Africa, the crew consisting of Capt S Cockerell, Capt F C Broome, their mechanics and Dr Chalmers Mitchell of the Zoological Society. Unfortunately the attempt ended when the aircraft was badly damaged at Tabora, Tanzania on the 27th February.


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Vickers Aircraft Company and Joyce Green airfield
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2009, 21:13:17 »
Vickers had factories at Crayford and Erith and used Joyce Green airfield for test flying before moving to Brooklands in Surrey. Joyce Green was also used by the RAF during WWI. To keep it simple I have combined the two here.

Vickers first monoplane at Joyce Green 1911.


Vickers No8 monoplane at the Erith factory 1913.


Managers and staff with Vickers Vimy production
at Crayford 1918.


Once assembled the aircraft were then stripped down and moved by road to Joyce Green and the damaged airframes returned the same way through the streets of Dartford.

 

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