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Re: Whitehall Battery, Grain
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2016, 00:03:05 »
Hello Kyn, Thank you very much for that. I did find the other post just after I sent mine. Thank you.  johng

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Re: Whitehall Battery, Grain
« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2016, 23:08:43 »
CAMOUFLAGE
Whitehall

MAP REF: 33159542
DIVISION: S.E.Command
BRIGADE: Thames & Medway fixed Defences
BATTALION: 516 Coast Regiment 2846
DESCRIPTION: 2 6” guns

FORM OF CAMOUFLAGE: To merge into surroundings
TYPW OF MATERIAL: Steel wool and garnished nets
SKETCH FOR SUGGESTED SCHEME: Overleaf
PHOTOGRAPHS:
AERIAL: Yes
GROUND: “
REMARKS: The guns should have a permanent cover of steel wool (green) at back and sides at a gradual slope, and garnished nets in front strung on piping with rings, so that it can easily be drawn.  Communication trench, at present covered with steel wool, this should all be tightened up so that it lies flat, and must be re-sprayed green.

Track discipline must be enforced as there are a lot of bad tracks at present, men should not be allowed to play football near the guns, as there is a proper ground near the fort which could be used, also men could be paraded on the road instead of near their huts, the ground here is very worn and should be covered with ashes and sprayed green, also roofs of huts need repainting with No. 7 paint gritty.

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Calibration record

Battery: Whitehall
Date: 3.9.29
Nature of Gun: 6” B.L. Mk. VII
Registered number: 1575
Weight and nature of charge: 23lbs. Cordite M.D. Size 16
Group No. and lot of cartridges: RN 767 1/18
Projectile nature and weight: W* Prac: 6” BL or QF. Shrap Steel Mk 18B. Plugged W* 100’14’ lbs.
Driving band and C.R.H: Gas check  6 C.R.H.
50% zone from corrected range table: 89 yards
50% zone from shooting: 76 yards



Details of Small Arms, Signal Pistols, ETC.

There are 2 Lewis guns on Battery charge used for A.A.defence.
There are no other small arms, signal pistols, etc., on Battery charge.
The men are armed with Springfield .30 Pattern Rifles.



History of the Battery.

The Battery was constructed during the War 1914-1918 to assist in the defence of the Thames and Medway.

No changes were made up to 1934.
B.O.P. was constructed during 1932-1933.

1936
Artillery store (Concrete) built.
ELECTRIC LIGHTING installed in trench and Gun Emplacements.
Engine Room (Concrete) Built.
Contains Blackstone 1 ½ K.W. engine with output of 110 volts. 13 amps capable of lighting from 30 to 40 lamps.
No storage plant is being installed.



Details of construction of Battery
1.   The Battery consists of 2 concrete Gun emplacements with Shell and Cartridge Recesses, and B.O.P.
2.   Shell and Cartridge Stores are connected to the Guns by means of communication trenches.
These trenches have concrete bottoms, rivetted sides.
3.   The height of the Gun Floors is on a level with the ground at 33’5ft. above M.S.L.
4.   Accommodation for personnel exists to the rear of Q.1 Gun, and consists of Hutments.
5.   A low wooden stake fence surrounds the Battery.
6.   An Artillery Store – concrete – on right flank of battery accommodates fun, Group and Section stores.
7.   2 Gun floor shelters – concrete – are situate in the trench, near the Gun Emplacements.



















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Re: Whitehall Battery, Grain
« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2016, 22:32:36 »
There was a coast battery built at Whitehall Farm at Grain.  The battery was built in 1919 and mounted two 6-inch guns, these guns were moved to Grain Fort in 1941.  Not much else seems to be known about this battery.  The emplacements can be seen in the 1946 aerial photographs.  johng.

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Re: Whitehall Battery, Grain
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2010, 10:33:23 »
From the fort Record Book.

History of the Battery.

The Battery was constructed during the War 1914-1918 to assist in the defence of the thames and Medway.
No changes were made up to 1934.
B.O.P. was constructed during 1932-1933.

1936.
Artillery Store (Concrete) built.
Electric Lighting installed in trench and Gun Emplacements.
Engine Room (Concrete built).
Contains Blackstone 1 - K.W. engine with output of 110 Volts.  13 Amps capable of lighting from 30 to 40 lamps.
No storage plant is being installed.


Details of construction of Battery.

1.   The Battery consists of 2 concrete Gun Emplacements with shell and cartridge recesses, and B.O.P.

2.   Shell and Cartridge Stores are connected to the Guns by means of communication trenches.
These trenches have concrete bottoms, revetted sides.

3.   The height of Gun Floors is on a level with the ground at 33.5ft. above M.S.L.

4.   Accommodation for personnel exists to the rear of Q.1 Gun, and consists of Hutments.

5.   A low wooden stake fence surrounds the Battery.

6.   An Artillery Store - concrete - on right flank of battery accommodates gun, Group and Section Stores.

7.   2 Gun floor shelters - concrete - are situate in the trench, near the Gun Emplacements.

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Re: Whitehall Battery, Grain
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Re: Whitehall Battery, Grain
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2010, 21:45:58 »
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Re: Whitehall Battery, Grain
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2010, 13:10:13 »
Still got some odd bits to come  :)

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Re: Whitehall Battery, Grain
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2010, 12:50:40 »
Thanks Kyn. You're a veritable mine of information.

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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2010, 10:02:36 »
History of the Battery.

The Battery was constructed during the war 1914-1918 to assist in the defence of the Thames and Medway.

No changes were made up to 1934.

B.O.P. was constructed during 1932-1933.

1936.

Artillery Store (Concrete) built.

ELECTRIC LIGHTING installed in trench and Gun Emplacements.

Engine room (Concrete built).

Contains Blackstone 1 - K.W. engine with output of 110 Volts.  13 Amps capable of lighting from 30 to 40 lamps.

No storage plant is being installed.

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Re: Whitehall Battery, Grain
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2010, 15:25:12 »
Camouflage
Whitehall

Map Ref: 33159542
Division:  S.E. Command
Brigade:  Thames & Medway Fixed Defences
Battalion:  516 Coast Regiment 284 Battery
Description:  2 6" guns

Form of Camouflage:  To merge into surroundings.
Type of Material:  Steel wool and garnished nets.
Sketch for Suggested Scheme:  Overleaf
Photographs
Aerial:  Yes
Ground:  -
Remarks:  The guns should have a permanent cover of steel wool (green) at back and sides at a gradual slope, and garnished nets in front strung on
 piping with rings, so that it can be easily drawn.  Communications trench, at present covered with steel wool, this should all be tightened up so that it lies flat, and must be re-sprayed green.

Track discipline must be enforced as there are a lot of bad tracks at present, men should not be allowed to play football near the guns, as there is a proper ground near the fort which could be used, also men could be paraded on the road instead of near their huts, the ground here is very worn and should be covered with ashes and sprayed green, al;so roofs of huts need repainting with No. 7 paint gritty.

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Chief Engineer
S.E. Command, H. Q.

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Re: Whitehall Battery, Grain
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2010, 14:42:46 »

I think the references are military grid references, not the same as modern OS grid references. As far as I know there is no way to convert between the two. Whitehall farm AA Battery and Whitehall Farm Battery are at two different places.


There is a conversion for Cassini to OS but it is a bit hahazard, easiest way is to get hold of a prewar OS map or use the 1930 editions on http://wtp
2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm?lat=51.47304351518742&lon=0.7412338256835937&gz=12&oz=6&gt=5
 and use the 2ml grid squares on there


A couple of years back I was trying to sort out Cassinei refs and OS at southampton kindly converted some with  a proviso they were +/- 100m in any direction!!!   I  posted on a military site and got this response

"Best site for Cassini site stuff is here:

http://www.echodelta.net/mbs/eng-grids.php

There's an explanation of protocols here:

http://www.echodelta.net/mbs/eng-overview.php

and the wonderful "coordinates translator" here:

http://www.echodelta.net/mbs/eng-translator.php


Bear in mind that to get the translator to work, you need to select the correct grid from the drop-down menu, then enter the Cassini coordinates, including both letters. The maps themselves will give you clues re: which letters to use if you don't already know."
Hope this helps


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Re: Whitehall Battery, Grain
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2010, 10:49:20 »
Thank you for clearing that up David  :)

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Re: Whitehall Battery, Grain
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2010, 09:06:50 »
Hi David. Where does ref: 327958 put Whitehall Farm Battery? When I lived at Whitehall Farm, Grain (ref: 885773) in the early 1950s there was a military camp just NW of the farm which had AA gun emplacements. Is this a different Whitehall Farm Battery from the one you mentioned?

I think the references are military grid references, not the same as modern OS grid references. As far as I know there is no way to convert between the two. Whitehall farm AA Battery and Whitehall Farm Battery are at two different places.

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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2010, 06:57:11 »
Hi Paul. This is where I remember the AA emplacements.

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