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Re: Dancing Dolly
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2017, 19:08:42 »
Definition of a tumbrel or tumbril

http://www.finedictionary.com/tumbrel.html
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Re: Dancing Dolly
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2017, 13:40:09 »
It is interesting to note the different ways of spelling Sheppey .in the official manuscript.
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Re: Dancing Dolly
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2017, 21:50:39 »
Opposite the Gate House in Minster Sheppey there is a narrow path running down behind the Waterloo Pub, at the top of this was a gallows, where hanged criminals were left to dangle in the breeze.
This gave the name to be known as Dancing Dolly Hill.

This was a theory put forward by Brian Slade in his The Gatehouse Gallows booklet. Some people have taken it as fact.

The evidence that there was a gallows at Minster comes from the charter rolls of Edward lll. 1343.

May 24.Westminster 17 membrane 14.
Inspeximus of a charter dated at Wycombe, 15 March 3 Edward lll inspecting and confirming a charter dated at Rochester, 7 April 18 Henry lll and exemplifying an undated charter of Henry lll and, since the prioress and convent of Sheppey have complained that they have been prevented from holding the yearly fair on the feast of St. Sexburga and the view of frank pledge specified in the said charter, the king at the request of Bartholomew de Burgherssh, brother of the said prioress, has hereby granted to the prioress and convent and their successors a yearly fair at the town of Menstre in the isle of Shepey, and also view of frank pledge of their men and tenants there with tumbrel*, pillory, gallows and all other appurtenances, and has further granted that they shall not be impeded in their enjoyment of the foregoing liberties by reason of any non-user in the past.
          From page 20 of Calendar of the Charter rolls Vol V, available as free e-book @ http://archive.org/details/calendarofcharte05greauoft

* A tumbrel, or scold's-cart, was a chair set on wheels and having very long wagon-shafts, with a rope attached to them about two feet from the end. When used it was wheeled into a pond backward, the long shafts were suddenly tilted up, and the scold sent down in a backward plunge into the water. When the ducking was accomplished, the tumbrel was drawn out of the water by ropes.
          From Curious Punishments of Bygone Days by Alice M Earle 1896. Page 14. Free e-book @ http://archive.org/stream/curiouspunishme01earlgoog#page/n13/mode/2up

The punishment equipment was presumably removed at the dissolution of the abbey in 1536.
Is there any evidence that the gallows were actually used?

Slade's booklet also mentions a William Miller, alias W Ticknor, who was hanged at Minster in 1700 for having stolen a gold watch. The source for this, from a local historian, has been lost.
As I understand it the assizes during this period were held at Maidstone with executions taking place on Penenden Heath.
Has anyone any further information about William Miller?

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Re: Dancing Dolly
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2010, 14:10:01 »
Brian Slade (now sadly dead )  had researched this  and quoted it in one of his books The elderly ladies at Minster Abbey refused to believe that the Prioress would be capable of such an inhuman act , so they decided  to ban Brians very fine collection of Sheppey History Books from the bookstall at the Abbey.
Brian was a scholar and a member of various societies and would investigate and really  prove his facts . He was a valued member of Astronomy Societies , Historical Societies  etc., etc., etc.
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Re: Dancing Dolly
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2009, 12:03:44 »
Just found a bit of scrap paper saying the Prioress of Minster Abbey owned and supervised the use of the gallows...

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Re: Dancing Dolly
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2009, 20:11:45 »
What era was this Dancing Dolly in use?    ... C16, C17, C18, C19 ?

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Dancing Dolly
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2009, 20:11:13 »
Opposite the Gate House in Minster Sheppey there is a narrow path running down behind the Waterloo Pub, at the top of this was a gallows, where hanged criminals were left to dangle in the breeze.
This gave the name to be known as Dancing Dolly Hill.

 

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