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Re: RAF Swingate, Dover.
« Reply #58 on: April 03, 2011, 08:58:24 »
I don't think building a replica would do anything for the site. The whole point is that they were original. What about the fourth one which was removed years ago, and the one who's replacement still stands? Unless you think it would serve as a punishment. I don't think that any laws were broken when tower was removed, it was just thoughtless.
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Re: RAF Swingate, Dover.
« Reply #57 on: April 02, 2011, 23:09:53 »
Correspondence on the various sites regarding the demise of one of the original WW11 towers at Swingate seems to have dried up.  I have been corresponding with English Heritage, Kent County Council and Dover District Council  on this matter for 10 months or more with over 30 emails going to and fro so far.

The demolition of this tower ( with undue haste) is a national disgrace and I am of the opinion that a replica should be erected in its place (paid for by the company that had it demolished)  in time for the 75th anniversary of the battle of Britain in 2015. These towers are world-class WW11 survivors and the among the first of their kind to be used anywhere in the world. Without them, the Battle of Britain might have been lost. Out of an original 47 sites, there are now only 5 sites with a remaining tower.  English Heritage has now carried out a full survey of the whole Swingate site and I eagerly await the results. If the whole site is given a suficiently high rating, there would, indeed , be a case for erecting a replice tower.

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Re: RAF Swingate, Dover.
« Reply #56 on: September 17, 2010, 19:07:38 »
Is it not the case that Arqiva only lease the site and do not own the towers?
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Re: RAF Swingate, Dover.
« Reply #55 on: September 17, 2010, 18:56:09 »
As mentioned before when I regularly climbed this tower in late 80's the condition was not great compared to the USAF tower, which was in 1st class condition, so another 20 yrs of limited maintenance could certainly have resulted in further deterioration of the tower.

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Re: RAF Swingate, Dover.
« Reply #54 on: September 15, 2010, 15:50:47 »
In response to an email I sent to Arquiva on August 18, 2009 requesting official permission to climb the towers.

"Dear Paul
 
Thanks for your email. In principle we could allow access for you to take pictures from one of the towers at Swingate, however there are implications.
 
In order for you to climb one of our masts or towers you would need to apply for accreditation via our Gateway system at a cost of 250, and then you would be required to have supervision for the day at a cost of 450 per supervisor. It is likely that two supervisors will be required, although this depends on your training/capabilities.  To assess feasibility we would need a Method Statement, Risk Assessment, your Working at Height training documents, and details of your personal protective equipment.  We would probably be able to supply certain safety items (harness etc).
 
I realise that the costs involved may be prohibitive but I'm afraid we are unable to absorb them within our PR budget.  Arqiva does not normally seek exposure with the general public or in the consumer/regional press.
 
Do let me know if you would like to proceed on the above basis.
 
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Re: RAF Swingate, Dover.
« Reply #53 on: July 12, 2010, 17:22:27 »
Hi Lee, they are on the wall of The RAF Manston History Museum  :)

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Re: RAF Swingate, Dover.
« Reply #52 on: July 12, 2010, 16:23:03 »
Great Pictures Kyn - where did you get them from, I remember the area well as learnt to drive around what was left of those buildings.

You can also see the trenches very well.

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Re: RAF Swingate, Dover.
« Reply #51 on: July 12, 2010, 11:38:26 »





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Re: RAF Swingate, Dover.
« Reply #50 on: July 05, 2010, 23:29:00 »
Is there any mark in the walkway to the blast door?
although this photo doesnt show the whole walkway it does show that it has little damage and also that the walls are rendered here with some of it falling off near the door but i thnk that just ageing of the builing.

Im going to revisit the site soon so i will look into this a bit more.

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Re: RAF Swingate, Dover.
« Reply #49 on: July 05, 2010, 21:36:59 »
"As the third volume in the English Heritage series Monuments of War, it also assesses the survival of wartime radar stations in todays landscape, showing how protection of these remains is being assured by statutory means."
From the blurb for "Building Radar, Forging Britains Early-warning Chain" by Colin Dobson.
I have not seen the book yet, but the quote above rather "amused" me.
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Re: RAF Swingate, Dover.
« Reply #48 on: July 05, 2010, 17:30:59 »
With regard to that very interesting old sign board -

251 Signal Squadron still exist!

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Re: RAF Swingate, Dover.
« Reply #47 on: July 04, 2010, 14:32:49 »
With that scrape mark.. It could have been a JCB or someting?

Bullets tend to loose momentum on ground targets unless You are extremely low (making yourself a target) Armour Piercing or High Velocity would cause that type of damage.

Shrapnel is normally used for Anti Personel and consits of Lead Balls, later Steel Balls. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Shrapnel

This sort of damage is consistant with Bomb or Shell fragmentation.

Is there any mark in the walkway to the blast door?
Maybe it's big horse I'm a Londoner. :{

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Re: RAF Swingate, Dover.
« Reply #46 on: July 04, 2010, 13:01:41 »
Here is a close op of the one on the left blast wall.

The other side of the wall is infilled with earth so i could'nt see if it had popped that side. Almost all these marks appear on the side of the building that faces the channel which makes me think bullets/shrapnel maybe from a tip and run raid by a fighter like an FW190 coming in low with its cannon firing first then releasing its bombs.

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Re: RAF Swingate, Dover.
« Reply #45 on: July 04, 2010, 12:25:31 »
It could be bomb fragmentation or "Concrete Cancer"?
Certainly the smaller ones are fragmentaion or maybe bullets,but the larger ones look like where the inner steel rusts and weakens the concrete.
The one on the left wall looks like a splinter and theres a chunk missing off the top of the wall. Is there any marks on the inner walls?
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Re: RAF Swingate, Dover.
« Reply #44 on: July 03, 2010, 16:07:38 »
Would i be right in thinking this was the receiver block for Swingate??

It is located in amongst the base's for the receiver towers.

And could these be bullet holes from straffing fire from a fighter or stuka or maybe shrapnel marks?

 

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