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Offline GCUsher

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Re: World War II Defences at Dungeness
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2017, 11:24:23 »
Could you advise me in respect of the War Department map of those coastal defences.  I've printed it out in the past, and (if on A4) I squint and can't even read the narrative with a magnifying glass.  If blown up onto A3 the pixcels also render the narrative illegible.

I've tried the Imperial War Museum and the National Archives to find the original of that same map but to no avail.  Could you tell me where you found that map?

I'm also interested in finding similar classified War Department maps such as the Pluto command and control and pumping stations. I frequently walk around Dungeness and see old rubble and old concrete foundations and am always asking myself 'what's that?'  It would be wonderful to find the definitive building-by-building, outhouse-by-outhouse guide to what was what, when and why.


DUNGENESS EAST EMERGENCY COASTAL BATTERY
Dungeness East coastal battery located at TR 0930 1690. This was an emergency battery built during the Second World War as part of Eastern Command's coastal defences. The battery was operational by 1942 and mounted three 6-inch ex-naval guns. By September 1944 the armament had been reduced to two guns. It was manned by 213 Battery of 551 Coast Regiment.
No. 1 and No. 2 gun emplacements were located at TR 0930 1690 and No. 3 gun at TR 0940 1690. The Barr and Stroud rangefinder was positioned at TR 0935 1685.

DUNGENESS WEST EMERGENCY COASTAL BATTERY
Dungeness West coastal battery located at TR 0915 1685. This was an emergency battery built during the Second World War as part of Eastern Command's coastal defences. The battery was commissioned in July 1940 and mounted two 4.7-inch ex-naval guns. It was armed until at least September 1944. It was manned by 194 Battery of 551 Coast Regiment.
The gun emplacements were located at TR 0915 1685 and the Barr and Stroud rangefinder at TR 0925 1680.

LIGHT ANTI AIRCRAFT (DIVER) BATTERY DUNGENESS 1
Site of a Second World War light anti aircraft (Diver) battery near Romney Sand Station. The site was already operating as a light anti aircraft battery when, from July 17th 1944, it was used in the Diver role. It is not known what armament was used, nor the manning details.

LIGHT ANTI AIRCRAFT (DIVER) BATTERY DUNGENESS 2
Site of a Second World War light anti aircraft (Diver) battery north of Lade Fort. The site was already operating as a light anti aircraft battery when, from July 17th 1944, it was used in the Diver role. It is not known what armament was used, nor the manning details.

LIGHT ANTI AIRCRAFT (DIVER) BATTERY DUNGENESS 3
Site of a Second World War light anti aircraft (Diver) battery south of Lade Fort. The site was already operating as a light anti aircraft battery when, from July 17th 1944, it was used in the Diver role. It is not known what armament was used, nor the manning details.

LIGHT ANTI AIRCRAFT (DIVER) BATTERY DUNGENESS 4
Site of a Second World War light anti aircraft (Diver) battery near Lydd on Sea Halt. The site was already operating as a light anti aircraft battery when, from July 17th 1944, it was used in the Diver role. It is not known what armament was used, nor the manning details.

LIGHT ANTI AIRCRAFT (DIVER) BATTERY DUNGENESS 5
Site of a Second World War light anti aircraft (Diver) battery near the Old No.1 Battery, Dungeness. The site was already operating as a light anti aircraft battery when, from July 17th 1944, it was used in the Diver role. It is not known what armament was used, nor the manning details.

LIGHT ANTI AIRCRAFT (DIVER) BATTERY DUNGENESS 6
Site of a Second World War light anti aircraft (Diver) battery near the Old No.1 Battery, Dungeness. The site was already operating as a light anti aircraft battery when, from July 17th 1944, it was used in the Diver role. It is not known what armament was used, nor the manning details.

LIGHT ANTI AIRCRAFT (DIVER) BATTERY DUNGENESS 7
Site of a Second World War light anti aircraft (Diver) battery near the Dungeness Redoubt. The site was already operating as a light anti aircraft battery when, from July 17th 1944, it was used in the Diver role. It is not known what armament was used, nor the manning details.

LIGHT ANTI AIRCRAFT (DIVER) BATTERY DUNGENESS 8
Site of a Second World War light anti aircraft (Diver) battery west of Lydd on Sea Halt. The site was already operating as a light anti aircraft battery when, from July 17th 1944, it was used in the Diver role. It is not known what armament was used, nor the manning details.

And the War Department Map of the defences.

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Re: World War II Defences at Dungeness
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2014, 15:05:08 »
And here's a picture taken from Google Earth, allegedly Dec. 1940, but it may well be a year or two later. The defences seem to be more or less complete, with scaffolding behind the battery and wire in front of it.
It can be clearly seen that the gun houses are at an angle from each other in order to cover as wide an arc as possible. Upon consideration, it may well be that the date given for the picture in my previous post is correct after all and construction had already begun in Jan. 1940 - this battery was manned by the Royal Marines and was not part, it seems, of the emergency batteries installed from June.

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Re: World War II Defences at Dungeness
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2013, 11:46:58 »
Here's an interesting picture, taken by the Luftwaffe (from Nigel J. Clarke: Adolf's British Holiday Snaps). I wonder if the date is correct - probably not. You can clearly see the gunhouses for the 6in guns, at least one seems to be still under construction. It's not visible on the scan, but the German photo interpreter actually numbered them 1, 2 and 3, which would seem to suggest that this was one battery that the Germans were aware of, which was not the case for the majority of the emergency batteries, as far as I can make out.
Peter Schenk in his book about the preparations for "Unternehmen Seel÷we" mentions a planned Stuka attack on a "suspected" (vermutete) battery near Dungeness, which doesn't sound as if they had pinpointed it exactly.     

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Re: World War II Defences at Dungeness
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2013, 20:06:22 »
I'm wondering about the No. 3 gun; the gunhouse seems to be at an angle from the other two, could it be that in fact this gun was pointing east and not south, covering the bay between Dungeness and Folkestone? That would explain why there are 3 guns instead of 2 as usual in the emergency batteries.

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Re: World War II Defences at Dungeness
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2009, 18:48:19 »
Nice find Islesy  :)

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World War II Defences at Dungeness
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2009, 15:23:27 »
DUNGENESS EAST EMERGENCY COASTAL BATTERY
Dungeness East coastal battery located at TR 0930 1690. This was an emergency battery built during the Second World War as part of Eastern Command's coastal defences. The battery was operational by 1942 and mounted three 6-inch ex-naval guns. By September 1944 the armament had been reduced to two guns. It was manned by 213 Battery of 551 Coast Regiment.
No. 1 and No. 2 gun emplacements were located at TR 0930 1690 and No. 3 gun at TR 0940 1690. The Barr and Stroud rangefinder was positioned at TR 0935 1685.

DUNGENESS WEST EMERGENCY COASTAL BATTERY
Dungeness West coastal battery located at TR 0915 1685. This was an emergency battery built during the Second World War as part of Eastern Command's coastal defences. The battery was commissioned in July 1940 and mounted two 4.7-inch ex-naval guns. It was armed until at least September 1944. It was manned by 194 Battery of 551 Coast Regiment.
The gun emplacements were located at TR 0915 1685 and the Barr and Stroud rangefinder at TR 0925 1680.

LIGHT ANTI AIRCRAFT (DIVER) BATTERY DUNGENESS 1
Site of a Second World War light anti aircraft (Diver) battery near Romney Sand Station. The site was already operating as a light anti aircraft battery when, from July 17th 1944, it was used in the Diver role. It is not known what armament was used, nor the manning details.

LIGHT ANTI AIRCRAFT (DIVER) BATTERY DUNGENESS 2
Site of a Second World War light anti aircraft (Diver) battery north of Lade Fort. The site was already operating as a light anti aircraft battery when, from July 17th 1944, it was used in the Diver role. It is not known what armament was used, nor the manning details.

LIGHT ANTI AIRCRAFT (DIVER) BATTERY DUNGENESS 3
Site of a Second World War light anti aircraft (Diver) battery south of Lade Fort. The site was already operating as a light anti aircraft battery when, from July 17th 1944, it was used in the Diver role. It is not known what armament was used, nor the manning details.

LIGHT ANTI AIRCRAFT (DIVER) BATTERY DUNGENESS 4
Site of a Second World War light anti aircraft (Diver) battery near Lydd on Sea Halt. The site was already operating as a light anti aircraft battery when, from July 17th 1944, it was used in the Diver role. It is not known what armament was used, nor the manning details.

LIGHT ANTI AIRCRAFT (DIVER) BATTERY DUNGENESS 5
Site of a Second World War light anti aircraft (Diver) battery near the Old No.1 Battery, Dungeness. The site was already operating as a light anti aircraft battery when, from July 17th 1944, it was used in the Diver role. It is not known what armament was used, nor the manning details.

LIGHT ANTI AIRCRAFT (DIVER) BATTERY DUNGENESS 6
Site of a Second World War light anti aircraft (Diver) battery near the Old No.1 Battery, Dungeness. The site was already operating as a light anti aircraft battery when, from July 17th 1944, it was used in the Diver role. It is not known what armament was used, nor the manning details.

LIGHT ANTI AIRCRAFT (DIVER) BATTERY DUNGENESS 7
Site of a Second World War light anti aircraft (Diver) battery near the Dungeness Redoubt. The site was already operating as a light anti aircraft battery when, from July 17th 1944, it was used in the Diver role. It is not known what armament was used, nor the manning details.

LIGHT ANTI AIRCRAFT (DIVER) BATTERY DUNGENESS 8
Site of a Second World War light anti aircraft (Diver) battery west of Lydd on Sea Halt. The site was already operating as a light anti aircraft battery when, from July 17th 1944, it was used in the Diver role. It is not known what armament was used, nor the manning details.

And the War Department Map of the defences.



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