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Re: Romney Marsh Population
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2009, 19:25:03 »
This has got some maps showing the reclamation of the marsh which shows that some of the areas were undrained till quite late in medieval times and thereforree probably only lightly settled - go down to the orange text saying "Click to view the history of the Rhee 'Wall' and Romney Marsh"
http://www.liv.ac.uk/geography/RomneyMarsh/RM%20Hum%20and%20Nat/EarlyMedieval.htm

There are some good books on the archaeology of the area by Jill Eddison and others

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Re: Romney Marsh Population
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2009, 10:50:16 »
Try to find this on the web. 
http://www.open2.net/landscapemysteries/prog6.html
I watched it first time round.
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Re: Romney Marsh Population
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2009, 10:40:45 »
A list of 'lost villages of the Marsh, taken from Wiki.

Buttdarts: Buttdart Bridge, over one of the larger marsh drains grid reference TR071296

'Dengemarsh': south of Lydd: village closed when the Lydd ranges were opened in WWII [not marked   on OS Map: TR 0417]

Eastbridge: Eastbridge House, on Dymchurch to Bonnington road: the road is named Eastbridge Road out of Dymchurch. Remains: large part of west wall of the tower, some other fragments. Village had a population of 21 (1801 Census). grid reference TR078319
 
Fairfield: Fairfield Court, NW of Brookland grid reference TQ977270

Falconhurst: Falconhurst: a house north of the Royal Military Canal six miles west of Hythe. grid reference TR076344
 
Galloways south of Lydd: village closed when the Lydd ranges were opened in WWII [not marked on OS Map: TR 0017

Hope All Saints: Hope Farm, NW of New Romney. The remains of the church are marked on the map. (See Romney Marsh Gazeteer) grid reference TR049258
 
Midley: Midley Cottages, SW of Old Romney grid reference TR016237 This was once a small island in the Rother between the larger ones of Romney and Lydd, and the name means "middle island". In the 8th century there was a village on this site, and 23 people still lived here in 1801. Now only the ruined west wall of the church remains. During World War II there was an airfield here.
 
Orgarswick: Orgarswick Farm, NW of Dymchurch grid reference TR090309

Shorne: no modern trace, although there are unnamed church remains NNW of New Romney near Chapel Land Farm grid reference TR049
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Snave Although the church still stands, it is only used once a year for a harvest festival service and today falls under the Hamstreet group of churches. (See Romney Marsh Gazeteer) grid reference TR015299
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Re: Romney Marsh Population
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2009, 09:58:16 »
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I wondered why there was a big enough population in village units to warrant so many churchs as they cost a lot per head to build even way back then. There must have been something far more labour intensive than farming or lookering going on then.

Good questions Grandarog. I've seen on one or two churches traces of semi horizontal lines on the walls where the villagers built a section of wall in one season, then came back to it next year to do a bit more. So it may have taken a long while to build them, possibly with roving bands of professional builders for some parts

Probably most if not all churches were built by the major landowners (including various competing religous bodies like Christ Church Canterbury), possibly originally using feudal labour or the Saxon equivalent, probably to make sure they didn't have a hot afterlife. It's not Kent but I'd recommend going to see the medieval wall painting of Hell in Chaldon church, just across the border in Surrey - very scary.

I was certain for ages that there must have been a village at Fairfield which then moved away, which you see at quite a few other villages in Kent, but from what I've read it seems that some of the places in the Romney marsh never had a village, and may be suffered more because of this after the Black Death.

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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2009, 22:10:32 »
I don't think there was anything more labour intensive than farming back then.
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2009, 21:08:16 »
   Thanks for input.I was more interested in the fact that most church,s were built during the Nornan or Saxon period in the centre of the community at the time .
    Obviously over time the population moved and thinned out hence the fact the chutch is now a long way from maybe what we associate as the community now.Fairfield for example as quoted by Chris.
    I wondered why there was a big enough population in village units to warrant so many churchs as they cost a lot per head to build even way back then. There must have been something far more labour intensive than farming or lookering going on then.
 
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Re: Romney Marsh Population
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2009, 22:18:46 »
Another thing is that many of the areas were only drained and settled in mid to late medieval times, and also some of the churches never had villages but were the centres of scattered communities - e.g. Fairfield where there's a church with no nearby houses.

The process of reclaiming areas of the marsh was sometimes carried out by monks of abbeys that owned areas of the marsh, sometimes by villages above the marsh like Appledore and Stone in Oxney who wanted the land for grazing, sometimes by individuals who would receive the land if they drained it

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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2009, 19:56:22 »
A lot of the population of the Marsh died of the Plague; this large loss caused the clearing of the drainage ditches to be neglected which resulted in a huge rise in cases of malaria. Killing even more people. At this time, sheep farming began, which needs fewer workers that the old 'normal' farming that the marsh once supported. So the population never grew back to it's old levels.

 If you read William Cobbett's book, Rural rides, he writes (in the 1820s) about this very subject.
Any one interested in history should read this book. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_Rides
 
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Romney Marsh Population
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2009, 15:31:36 »
Looking at the lovely pictures added of the ruined church,s on the Marsh ,made me think there must have been big communities there way back in Norman and Saxon and early Old Engish Dark Age times.
    Looks as though the people had all moved off by the 17 /18th centuries.Any one know why the marsh would have been so heavily populated, was it iron founding, there couldnt have been enough sheep to warrant so many people.

 

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