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Re: Rochester Police Station.
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2010, 17:24:36 »
Not only was the outside of the cop shop impressive, the inside was as well. The entrance to the desk was opposite the end of Two post alley.

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Re: Rochester Police Station.
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2010, 12:23:53 »
Hello Peter,
Thanks for your enquiry. Yes, the police were indeed present in the Guildhall during the 19th century. I'm not sure when the police first had a base at the Guildhall. When the 'Members Room' extension was added to the Guildhall in 1866 it was built directly over the prison cells & police accomodation that was located on the east side of the Guildhall at the time. The cells are still there - and have been converted into staff room & toilets -  with bars on the inside!
 

Thanks Numanfan,
Dates tie in with the reply I got from the Guildhall Museum (above), but I'm sure the part that was the Police Station on the map must have been demolished to make way for Corporation Street, so the cells mentioned in the reply must have been nearer to the High Street side of the Guildhall. I have a DEFINITE recollection of a partly built new Police Station in Corporation Street during the war, and a HAZY recollection of the police being in the Guildhall when I was a child; yet common sense says that the Guildhall couldn't have accommodated them as well as Council services. But considering that Chatham Town Hall housed all of Chatham's Council services, perhaps that's not such silly idea. Certainly I've not found any evidence that they were somewhere else.
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Re: Rochester Police Station.
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2010, 21:03:54 »
My understanding of Rochester Police Station history is:
Pre-war it was in Rochester Guildhall, and a new building was started in Corporation Street, opposite the Casino. This was abandoned when the war started, and because of this it was moved to Castle Hill in one of the big houses that are still there.

I enquired from the Guildhall Museum about the location of Rochester Police Station before it was in Castle Hill, and got this reply. I regret that I cannot take up Stephen's offer myself, but someone else may be interested. His address is steve.nye@medway.gov.uk. I am going to e-mail Medway Archives, as he suggests, for any other details.

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Hello Peter,
Thanks for your enquiry. Yes, the police were indeed present in the Guildhall during the 19th century. I suggest that you contact Medway Archives & Local Studies (where they keep all the historic paperwork) for any details of dates/administration, etc. They can be contacted on archives@medway.gov.uk or 01634 332714.
For your interest I list below the police-related items that I have found found & catalogued so far in the museum collections. I'm not sure when the police first had a base at the Guildhall. The 'Beats' documents below are from the 1840's. When the 'Members Room' extension was added to the Guildhall in 1866 it was built directly over the prison cells & police accomodation that was located on the east side of the Guildhall at the time. The cells are still there - and have been converted into staff room & toilets -  with bars on the inside!
 
Museum items:
 
A3317
Ephemera; poster with details of the beats of the day constables of the Rochester police in 1844; mounted in glazed frame. 'CITY AND BOROUGH OF ROCHESTER. BEATS OF THE DAY CONSTABLES, from and after the 31st day of August, 1844. BEATS No.1---From the Guildhall to the Bell at Frindsbury; back through Gun Lane to the Malthouse at  the bottom of Strood Hill, thence back to the Guildhall, with all Lanes, Courts and Alleys in and contiguous to the Beat', etc, etc, 'By Order of the Council, D B Lewis Town Clerk. Brooks, Printer, Rochester'.
 
A3319
Ephemera; poster with details of the beats of the night constables of the Rochester police in 1842, lettered A-J; mounted in glazed frame. 'CITY AND BOROUGH OF ROCHESTER. BEATS OF THE NIGHT CONSTABLES, Of the said City and Borough, from and after the 31st day of December, 1842, as appointed by the Watch Committee. A - From Strood Turnpike
Gate, to the Bell at Frindsbury on both sides, and the Lanes, Courts and Alleys within such distance, and return to the Turnpike Gate, from whence the beat commenced', etc, etc, 'By Order of the Watch Committee, D B Lewis, Town Clerk'.
 
A6013
Photograph; large monochrome formal image of the City of Rochester police force arrayed in the castle gardens in 1924; seated with them is the Mayor (AEJ Price), Mayoress & macebearer (F W Handford); all the individual policeman are named. Mounted on card. Quite detailed photograph, with all the figures quite clearly shown. Old note on the reverse: 'Mr D Miles, 47 Twydall Lane, Gillingham'. See also A6014 which an enlarged version of this image.
 
A6014
Photograph; very large monochrome formal image of the City of Rochester police force arrayed in the castle gardens in 1924; seated with them is the Mayor (AEJ Price), Mayoress & macebearer (F W Handford); all the individual policeman are named.
 
A6514
medal; Police service medal; cupro-nickel alloy medal on blue & white ribbon; obv: crowned left bust of George VI; rev: blindfolded justice holding scales & wreath; in box of issue; Sergeant Samuel E Baker. Awarded to full-time regular police officers within any UK constabulary for 22 years service. Awarded to Samuel E Baker, c.1951-52.
 
We also have a selection of some truncheons & uniform buttons. If you would like to view any of these items, let me know & we can arrange a mutually convenient date.
 
I hope this will be of interest to you,
Best Regards,
Stephen Nye
Assistant Curator
Guildhall Museum, Rochester.
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Re: Rochester Police Station.
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2010, 23:06:06 »
It became the theatre in 1931, ceasing after only seven years. I'm not sure if the police moved in straight away or waited until after the war ( as it was used as an ARP post).

Now a car park !
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Re: Rochester Police Station.
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2010, 21:36:54 »
Thanks for the pic. It confirms that the Police Station was there at some time and has partly restored my sanity! I assume it moved to Cazeneuve Street afterwards, but am still not sure where it was before, and when it moved to Castle Hill.
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Re: Rochester Police Station.
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2010, 21:25:56 »
Good picture numanfan...i've not seen that building before.

What's on that site now?

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Re: Rochester Police Station.
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2010, 21:34:23 »
Yep, already got one Merv :)

We have this thread for Kent in old tv progs and films: http://www.kenthistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=3360.0


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Re: Rochester Police Station.
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2010, 19:37:27 »
Here's another piccy of last days of the Cazeneuve Street station

As a piece of historical trivia, the building was the police station shown in the opening sequence of "Z-Cars".

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Re: Rochester Police Station.
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2010, 12:35:57 »
Here's another piccy of last days of the Cazeneuve Street station


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Re: Rochester Police Station.
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2010, 06:05:36 »
Probably for the same reasons they changed from a FORCE to a SERVICE.

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Indeed. Kent Police Service. The pink and fluffly customer service business, about figures, customers and surveys...

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Re: Rochester Police Station.
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2010, 22:41:06 »
I cant see the Gravestones in the Moat in the Pictures yet I do remember there were some and Just this side of the House(south)

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Re: Rochester Police Station.
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2010, 21:49:30 »
Probably for the same reasons they changed from a FORCE to a SERVICE.

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Re: Rochester Police Station.
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2010, 21:28:56 »
I logged on to the dockyard Police Museum Website and got some more info:

Kent County Constabulary was formed on 14th January 1857, at which time there were already 14 separate local forces in existence.

Deal, Faversham, Hythe, Sandwich, and Tenterden joined Kent on 1st April 1889.

Canterbury, Dover, Folkestone, Gravesend, Maidstone, Margate, Rochester, Ramsgate, and Tunbridge Wells joined on 1st April 1943.

I knew about the Rochester force, but I had no idea about the other separate ones. I thought Rochester was separate because it was a City, and was going to ask if anyone knew about Canterbury, but that was not the case. So now to find out where Rochester cop shop was before it went into Castle Hill, and I've emailed the Museum about that.

Just one puzzle:
In 1840 a Parliamentary Bill proposed the city and county forces be combined, but the City Council successfully opposed this.

That item from 'A History of Rochester' does not fit the date of formation of the Kent force.

Another question: Why did they have to change the name from 'Kent County Constabulary' to 'Kent Police'?
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Re: Rochester Police Station.
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2010, 17:22:47 »
It seems as if it's the old Liberal Club referred to in Reply#12; The police station would quite probably have been combined with ARP HQ.

Re The Moat: I'm surprised at the width of that bit of ground. But I 'emigrated' from Rochester to Chatham in 1952 when the buildings were still there, and would have had little reason to go to that part of Rochester again.

I tried Googling 'Rochester City Police?'and got a photo of the police chief of Rochester, Minesota. :) I?ve looked Medway Council Website, but can't glean any info from there.

This time yesterday I hadn'tgiven Rochester police stations or the city police a thought, then Colin started this topic. :) :) :)
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Re: Rochester Police Station.
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2010, 16:32:21 »
The Police Station location..
If you take the footpath leading from the Castle as being a 2 o'clock hand, by leaving that gate the Police station is there shown in the picture.
There is a short steep slope, at the bottom was the Police station front door.


Cheers Merv, got it, must be that big building at the bottom of the steep slope (now a car park?).  Thanks guys for all the pics etc.  Really interesting stuff  :)

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