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Offline howard

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Re: Herald of Free Enterprise
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2017, 11:40:01 »
One of the problems, as I remember, was that the ship was on Zeebrugge Deck Officer manning (one less Second Mate) but departure routines were not modified to allow for this. The Second Mate needed to be in two places at once. Thus there was no check that the person responsible for closing the doors was actually where he should have been.

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Re: Herald of Free Enterprise
« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2017, 17:16:48 »
Nemo, thanks for the info, I also researched many more reports on the web re this incident . Most tell a similar story and come to fairly similar conclusion re the failure of many people/systems that contributed to the disaster. But not one reference to the reason given to me by the deceased crew member, if he was indeed a crew member. Of the reason for failure by some members of ships staff to act in a proper manner was mentioned. It's a long time ago now but in deference to surviving crew and relatives let's say the chaps story was just that, a story.

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Re: Herald of Free Enterprise
« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2017, 08:45:10 »
The formal enquiry is here: https://www.gov.uk/maib-reports/flooding-and-subsequent-capsize-of-ro-ro-passenger-ferry-herald-of-free-enterprise-off-the-port-of-zeebrugge-belgium-with-loss-of-193-lives.  The incident lead to the establishment of the Marine Accident Investigation Branch (MAIB), to sit alongside the AAIB (the 'black box' people) and the RAIB (for rail); their investigations are on-line and well worth reading.  The incident is also often used in risk management case studies, focusing on the communications gap between shore-side and on-board management (the 'it can't be important otherwise they'd come and bang on the table' vs 'there's little point going to see them as they never listen' sentiments).

For the v/l herself, see http://www.doverferryphotosforums.co.uk/mv-herald-of-free-enterprise-past-and-present/.

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Re: Herald of Free Enterprise
« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2017, 06:35:23 »
Please do not interpret this enquire as morbid interest, but can anyone tell me or direct me to a place were I may get an answer? Question: what was the result of the enquiry into the sinking of the Spirit of Free Enterprise: what happened to the crew member who was responsible for closing the doors; did he survive ..who was to blame, if any one was, for this tragic accident?
The reason I ask is, some time ago I had a conversation with a gentleman who claimed to be a crew member on that fateful night, I never could confirm the truth of his statement. Alas he is no longer with us so I can't offend him now.  I am not looking to be controversial, just wondering if his story was fact or fiction ?

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Re: Herald of Free Enterprise
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2017, 14:45:20 »
Just to let everyone know, the press has highlighted that TODAY is the 30th anniversary of the Zeebrugee disaster:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/zeebrugge-ferry-disaster-services-remember-075810361.html

I can actually remember seeing this as well. I was 7 years old at the time and I can remember seeing this on the news at the time.

I can still see the images of the partially submerged ship on it's side in the water in my mind.

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Re: Herald of Free Enterprise
« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2015, 00:02:32 »
 I came across this on the seafront at Dover today.




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« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2014, 18:25:59 »
So many people were touched by this awful and avoidable tragedy.  I worked at British Gas HQ in London at the time and had appointed a beautiful and talented young woman to my small team about a fortnight before.  She was about 23 with everything to live for. With her boyfriend she took a weekend trip to Zeebrugge, neither of them ever to return alive.  I had the fateful responsibility of attending her funeral in Plymouth and speaking as best I could to her parents.  She was such a popular lass and the whole building (in High Holborn) mourned.  My lasting feelings about that day are anger and despair at the wasted lives.

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Re: Herald of Free Enterprise
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2014, 02:35:27 »
Well, talk about coincidence.  I put up my post a little over three weeks ago, and today, in the mail, is a book by a good friend of myself and my lady (Cheryll).
The Herald, a book by Kathryn Collis

It is a semi-fictitious story of the event but refers to the inquiry, the odd fact that 'The Herald' was one of three ships specifically built for Dover-Calais (so why was she in Zeebrugge?) and a few other 'anomalies' that ask a some other questions. This was, at the time, the largest British maritime disaster since the Titanic which has been covered from every direction, but there is very little about 'The Herald'

It is a shame that Kath did not feel comfortable about asking me about the disaster and the follow on, I could have given some 'extra' insight - such as the emotions when the ship was finally pulled upright, and the high emotion of trying to prevent an article in 'The News of the World'.
My sister (who died on board) was travelling with her partner. He survived and helped drag people out of the hull - including a woman who at first refused to leave her fur coat behind! He and a very good friend's wife (who, with her husband were going on the trip but deferred at the last moment) spent several days in Zeebrugge searching the hospitals (and morgue) for my sister.
The story. though, was when 'The News.. ' discovered that he was having an affair with my best mates wife. Headline 'Ferry Hero Finds New Love With Best Mate's Wife'  - we made page three......   but could have been a good clip in the book!!!!!
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Re: Herald of Free Enterprise
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2014, 02:58:28 »
I lost my younger (and only) sister (aged 34) at the time. I was working in Papua New Guinea and a friend rang me to say she was missing.
Got back to Sittingbourne on the Wednesday after the event.
Mum and Dad were a mess, they had been driving back from Spain at the time and found out on the Monday when the Officers of the Ferry from Calais To Dover, escorted them to the Captain's quarters where my aunt and uncle were waiting.  Full marks to that ferry crew and officers for allowing my Aunt and Uncle to travel over from Dover.
Full marks also to Heathrow Airport who had been advised that I and my wife of one week were arriving, we were on the M25 20 minutes after landing. That has to be a record.
Brickbats to P&O for their care afterwards - after all, the night it went down it still belonged to TT so we very much got 'It's not our problem'.
The oddest thing was that P&O offered to pay for our costs in the suit against them for compensation!!

Full feelings to all others that lost people on that night.
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Re: Herald of Free Enterprise
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2013, 20:13:40 »
This is the simple tribute memorial to the disaster to be found in the town of Zeebrugge.

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Re: Herald of Free Enterprise
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2012, 13:29:42 »
Regards the memorial next to the Co-op in West Lane, junction of East Street, Sittingbourne. Why doesn't the family of the girl tidy it regularly?   If the posters on the forum care, why don't they tidy it?  To my mind it looks a darn sight better then the rest of Sittingbourne.   The whole of Swale is a complete dump.   Never cleaned even when they employed street cleaners.

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Re: Herald of Free Enterprise
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2012, 12:14:56 »
Re my post #9 - I stand corrected. The Townsend-Thoresen vessel at Chatham was MV European Clearway. She was refitted by Thames Ship Repair in the mid 80's, when they occupied one of the dry-docks at Chatham. Off-topic I know, but I was sure one of their ships was at Chatham just after the disaster.

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Re: Herald of Free Enterprise
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2012, 07:28:31 »
Referring to myself and Colin Haggart`s previous post in this thread, our marvellous council still continues to neglect the Memorial garden to Emily which they sequested from her family. As such a grand council they couldn`t allow a humble family to plant up and maintain a bit of waste land as a lovely tribute and memorial so they took it over and have continuously neglected it ever since. Currently used as a dossing place for the local dregs of society with their brown paper bags etc. Swale Council`s weeds continue to flourish on an annual basis at very little cost to our council tax while they award themself perks and payrises. Maybe now the disaster is in the news after 25 years our expense grabbing elected councillors will possibly consider thinking of little Emily at their pre-meeting prayers. Though I doubt it will prick their thick-skinned consciences.

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Re: Herald of Free Enterprise
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2012, 23:35:14 »
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no checks are ever made by the crews.


I would dispute that.     I was on the ferries for ten years & whilst some freight drivers certainly used to try it was never permitted.
No doubt a few managed but they were the rare exception rather than the rule.

Cardeckmen patrolled the vehicle decks on passage, lorry cabs were checked & access for passengers rarely granted & then under escort only.
I cannot imagine that there has been any slackening in safety standards in recent years & have certainly heard of none when speaking to colleagues still working on the ferries.

The only 'passengers' allowed on the cardecks on passage were grooms attending to horses in transit & special exceptions were made when we carried bedridden sick on their sad pilgrimages to Lourdes  -  they remained in their converted coaches ['Jumbulances' we called them] & were accompanied by their medical attendants.

The fact that a lot of lorries dive into the first available lay-by for a few hours rest after leaving Dover would indicate that they came off the ferry feeling tired, rather than refreshed after an illicit snooze on the ferry.

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Re: Herald of Free Enterprise
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2012, 23:06:53 »
Couple of year ago I running twice a week to France to pick up bottled water for Sainsburys.
I was always amazed at the amount of Truckers who would stay in their cabs and sleep for the 90 min journey.
This was banned after the herald disaster as so many truck driver lost their lives on that day.
But as I say, they still do it, and no checks are ever made by the crews.

 

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