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Offline Leofwine

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Re: West Privates Barracks, Chatham Lines
« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2017, 22:41:59 »
A friend pointed me to this entry at the National Archives: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9414075

Does it look familiar kyn? (Details below)

Reference:   MFQ 1/1315/2
Description:   
Kent: Chatham. Plan of the basement and ground floors of the north and south ends of the west barracks for privates at Chatham Lines, showing proposed alterations. Scale: 1 inch to 12 feet. Originally accompanying a letter dated 27 May 1804 from Lieutenant Thomas Cunningham, Royal Engineers, to Major D'Arcy, Commanding Royal Engineer.
Date:   [1804]
Held by:   The National Archives, Kew
Legal status:   Public Record(s)
Language:   English
Dimensions:   36 cm x 22.5 cm
Map scale:   1:144
Physical condition:   MS, coloured
Closure status:   Open Document, Open Description


Looking at the date and description I think Brompton Barracks is a very likely candidate.
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Re: West Privates Barracks, Chatham Lines
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2017, 20:33:40 »
Could they be the blocks at the bottom of Amherst Hill?  They were on the West side of Chatham Barracks.  The same buildings they found the cellars of under the basketball court in Khartoum Road during the new housing development.

They don't quite match up with the barracks basements we saw.  But they are very similar in design.

Couldn't by any chance be the "birdcage barracks" that stood in the Cave yard?

I think these were different to those in the plan.

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Re: West Privates Barracks, Chatham Lines
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2017, 18:45:50 »
Couldn't by any chance be the "birdcage barracks" that stood in the Cave yard?

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Re: West Privates Barracks, Chatham Lines
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2017, 18:43:20 »
No date on the plans unfortunately.

Of course that is an option, many of the plans I post are just proposals and were not completed or were changed before contrsuction.

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Re: West Privates Barracks, Chatham Lines
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2017, 18:20:13 »
Playing devil's advocate - were these barracks actually built or just planned and not proceeded with? There were plans at one time for a major army hospital on the ground now occupied by Brompton barracks. Planned but not proceeded with.

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Re: West Privates Barracks, Chatham Lines
« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2017, 16:50:52 »
I just re-checked some of the old plans of the barracks, the Amherst hill buildings were actually the easternmost of the old Barracks buildings, not the Westernmost of the Upper Barracks, which is what I had been thinking.  So I guess that rules them out.  Was there a date on the plans?
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Re: West Privates Barracks, Chatham Lines
« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2017, 09:04:07 »
Could be!  I will need to compare them with the photos I took.

I forgot all about those!

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Re: West Privates Barracks, Chatham Lines
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2017, 18:09:14 »
Could they be the blocks at the bottom of Amherst Hill?  They were on the West side of Chatham Barracks.  The same buildings they found the cellars of under the basketball court in Khartoum Road during the new housing development.
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Re: West Privates Barracks, Chatham Lines
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2017, 11:29:58 »
Images restored

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Re: West Privates Barracks, Chatham Lines
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2010, 13:27:19 »
Done a bit more digging! What makes it all the more confusing is the multitude of names the various barracks were known by over the years. In the 1830's we find the "Lower or Marine Barracks", the "Upper or Brompton Barracks", now known as Kitchener Barracks, and the "New or Artillery Barracks", now known as Brompton Barracks. The RE Establishment was accommodated in the Hut Barracks Enclosure which was at Prince Henry's Bastion.

I have found a bit in the Royal Engineers Journal of 1957. In a passage about the history of Brompton Barracks, is mentioned an 1814 plan of the barracks that shows the West Block as 'mens barracks' with identical north and south ends. The West Block is now the RE Officers accommodation and what was the original North End was demolished and re-built as the Officers Mess. This all leads me to think that your plans of the North and South ends of the West Barracks show the long since disappeared north and south ends of the West Block of the barracks facing onto the square at Brompton Barracks.

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Re: West Privates Barracks, Chatham Lines
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2010, 11:50:57 »
I haven't checked to see if these tally with the plans I posted in the Brompton Barracks thread.  I imagined it would have been around the Chatham, Brompton area so maybe it would be worth looking further afield!

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Re: West Privates Barracks, Chatham Lines
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2010, 11:14:13 »
Kyn, quite a mystery you have there! However, the military sometimes used 'Chatham Lines' to describe the entire series of fortifications around Chatham so we could be talking of something in the vicinity of Fort Pitt or Fort Clarence. Alternativeley, and this is my hunch, I think I can read the words 'Gunner Drivers Barracks', so could we be talking about barrack blocks around the long disappeared North Square in Brompton Barracks which were built for the RA. Looking at the plans they are labelled up as being the south and north ends, and you can see the start of what could have been the central block joining the two ends. So we could be looking at a three-sided square The term West Privates Barracks seems a bit confusing as there is a room described as being something for officers.


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Re: West Privates Barracks, Chatham Lines
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2010, 11:10:27 »
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Re: West Privates Barracks, Chatham Lines
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2010, 20:07:33 »
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Re: West Privates Barracks, Chatham Lines
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2010, 10:18:26 »
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