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Offline cliveh

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Re: Structure Near Cliffe Fort
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2012, 09:25:24 »
Thanks stewyrey.  :)


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Re: Structure Near Cliffe Fort
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2012, 21:48:43 »
Some good images cliveh.

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Re: Structure Near Cliffe Fort
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2012, 10:30:46 »
A few photos of the remains of the original nine bottle kilns:














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Re: Structure Near Cliffe Fort
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2012, 20:27:24 »
One of things that often puzzle me about the users of KHF, is how few of them bother to use Pastscape, as most structures of any significance are listed there, with basic detail at a min.

As some of the pages on pastscape link to KHF I would guess that we are providing more information than they have on some subjects.

There is a board for links, with this one included.

I am more surprised that so many members "read" and "agree" to the guidelines when registering but then amazingly forget them the minute they post, rather than where they do their research.

Anyway, back on topic!

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Re: Structure Near Cliffe Fort
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2012, 18:36:55 »
The Structure is part of the remains of Nine Elms Works, Schedule Monument Number 416713, which describe the rectangle structure as 9 bottle kilns. The Pastscape entry for the site is here: http://www.pastscape.org.uk/hob.aspx?hob_id=416713

One of things that often puzzle me about the users of KHF, is how few of them bother to use Pastscape, as most structures of any significance are listed there, with basic detail at a min.
Yes, I agree about the Pastscape website in that it does give a quick overview of some sites. However, the original post was regarding what the structure was and there was some question as to what the kilns looked like. The website I indicated, apart from having much information on the site, also had a photograph the kilns as they were when in operation.

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Re: Structure Near Cliffe Fort
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2012, 17:03:47 »
The Nine Elms works is linked to the subject of the Lt Cdr Michael Vitale Thorburn thread in Memorials and War Graves

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Re: Structure Near Cliffe Fort
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2012, 04:32:42 »
That's a good site when dealing with scheduled monuments, but I think it is often overlooked as so many of the places discussed on the forum, especially the urban ones, are not included on it. However, it does occasionally throw up a surprise by listing something you don't expect. Of course, for pre-Victorian (and occasionally later) buildings not included on Pastscape, Listed Buildings Online can sometimes throw up a result http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/
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Re: Structure Near Cliffe Fort
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2012, 22:14:33 »
The Structure is part of the remains of Nine Elms Works, Schedule Monument Number 416713, which describe the rectangle structure as 9 bottle kilns. The Pastscape entry for the site is here: http://www.pastscape.org.uk/hob.aspx?hob_id=416713

One of things that often puzzle me about the users of KHF, is how few of them bother to use Pastscape, as most structures of any significance are listed there, with basic detail at a min.

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Re: Structure Near Cliffe Fort
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2012, 18:00:59 »
Been searching the web since last night. There used to be a v good site on Cliffe Fort with a diagram of my building, but that site seems to be no more.

All I can find now is one pic on a different site. It's the bottom one on this link. I presume I am not allowed to just re-post that pic here ?

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.ecastles.co.uk/cliffe5.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.ecastles.co.uk/cliffe.html&usg=__1eV884tpz9l9_i-vkvYYEIKiHNg=&h=360&w=480&sz=48&hl=en&start=22&tbnid=VFRusQVBaflXXM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=129&
amp;prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcliffe%2Bfort%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D18

Just to add to what Kyn mentioned about it being lime kilns - It used to be called Creek Works, labelled on turn of the century maps as whiting or cement works.
By overlaying old maps onto new you can make out the structure through the ages, at one point its labelled as a kiln.


The site was known as Nine Elms owned by Francis & Co. it was also referred to as The Creek works but there was another the opposite side of Cliffe Creek. Full details of the site, together with a photograph of the kilns in question can be found at http://www.cementkilns.co.uk/cement_kiln_nine_elms.html

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Re: Structure Near Cliffe Fort
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2011, 17:20:18 »
It shows on a number of OS on Old Maps ans is Creek Works, initially shown as Cement later whiting. The Kiln block is right on the LH edge of the rest of works

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Re: Structure Near Cliffe Fort
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2011, 16:26:34 »
That structure was it near the sea?
Only weve had something like that before on here and it was a Navigation Marker post for marine vessels?

It's near the River Thames.

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Re: Structure Near Cliffe Fort
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2011, 14:47:04 »
I think they were "lined" with fire bricks or maybe steel and have been robbed out?
That structure was it near the sea?
Only weve had something like that before on here and it was a Navigation Marker post for marine vessels?
Maybe it's big horse I'm a Londoner. :{

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Re: Structure Near Cliffe Fort
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2011, 13:53:52 »
Look exactly like the ones that used to be at Borstal before the M2 bridge went in, they weren't blackened or scorched either

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Re: Structure Near Cliffe Fort
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2011, 12:23:31 »
This link to a Charles Dickens website mentions a lime kiln at Cliffe,a bit tenuous I know.

http://www.perryweb.com/Dickens/work_dodd.shtml
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Re: Structure Near Cliffe Fort
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2011, 01:47:29 »
In response to posts 9/10/11(Mystery structure). We had a look at this a couple of weeks back and it definately looks like some kind of (lime) kilns. But something dosen't seem quite right as, unless it has been filled in there seems to be no evidence of the kilns from ground level. Even from the top there are no traces of soot blackening or any kind of discolouration due to fire blackening. It is a strange structure, which from some angles does seem to be military. Have included a pic of some sort of mount which is just outside of the structure, which once again we have no clue as to its purpose !! There is a lot of discarded bricks in amoungst the rubble in the surrounding area and also one or two substantial mounting blocks for heavy machinary, indicting that at one time there were a fair few out buildings. Also the ground is covered in coal powder/dust !!
Pic from top of kilns looking towards Coryton oil refinary !!

And a couple of the mystery mount !!



 

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