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Re: East Kent Light Railway
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2014, 13:00:17 »
Okay, although we are drifting off topic, I'll reply here..

Think that I may have started the thread about a P class working at Shepherdswell after electrification when perhaps I should have made it clear it was whilst the work thereon was nearing completion and a number of Dover/Ashford/Ramsgate sheds allocation were already being moved away. Reckon my observation would have been in the early Spring of 1959 and at least one Dover O1 had already gone to Stewarts Lane.

Fair enough..

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On a different subject, was rather saddened that this weeks series of TV documentaries by Michael Portillo on the role of railways in WW1 did not mention the importance of Richborough as the main munitions departure port, the train ferries being specifically to avoid the dangers of transhipment.

He went there in episode 19 [Sandwich to Folkestone] of Series 2 of his 'Great British Railway Journeys' TV series, he stood on Richborough New Wharf and talked to Dr Frank Andrews of the Sandwich Local History Society.

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And an even further one, does anyone know the date that the Southern USA class 0-6-0 arrived for use at Chislet and later Betteshanger? Well remember the shock when waiting at Sturry crossing, gates had just gone back up but, before traffic had a chance to move, went back down and this incredible sight flashed by!

I haven't got access to my reference books at the moment, but if I recall correctly the 'USA' was at work at Betteshanger in 1963, it was withdrawn after sustaining damage in a heavy shunting accident there.
I've seen a photo of it working a train of the side-tip wagons on the waste tip.
Wouldn't Sturry have had level crossing gates at that time,as opposed to barriers that go up and down..?

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Re: East Kent Light Railway
« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2014, 16:23:23 »
Think that I may have started the thread about a P class working at Shepherdswell after electrification when perhaps I should have made it clear it was whilst the work thereon was nearing completion and a number of Dover/Ashford/Ramsgate sheds allocation were already being moved away. Reckon my observation would have been in the early Spring of 1959 and at least one Dover O1 had already gone to Stewarts Lane.

On a different subject, was rather saddened that this weeks series of TV documentaries by Michael Portillo on the role of railways in WW1 did not mention the importance of Richborough as the main munitions departure port, the train ferries being specifically to avoid the dangers of transhipment.

And an even further one, does anyone know the date that the Southern USA class 0-6-0 arrived for use at Chislet and later Betteshanger? Well remember the shock when waiting at Sturry crossing, gates had just gone back up but, before traffic had a chance to move, went back down and this incredible sight flashed by!

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Re: East Kent Light Railway
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2014, 20:24:01 »
Could the P be the one from Chislet on a short allocation? Although she was technically railway owned she was on long term loan to the NCB and based at Chislet until the end there. As the NCB were not above moving locos around is it possible she was sent there at short notice to work Tilmanston yard?

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Re: East Kent Light Railway
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2014, 20:10:28 »
A short Pathe clip showing Wingham Canterbury Road station in 1938:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLXfP2yETL0

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Re: East Kent Light Railway
« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2013, 17:55:35 »
I very much doubt that a 'P' class would have been seen after electrification, as the line was already being worked by 350BHP Diesel-electric shunters prior to full electrification of the East Kent lines in 1961 the ex-LC&DR line through Shepherdswell already being electrified as part of the 'Phase 1' Kent electrification in 1959.

There was only one 'O1' class left in 1961 anyway,-31065-now on the 'Bluebell' line, the others had been withdrawn before full electrification.

I have seen reference however to a 'P' class [31027?] being used on the line in 1954 [?]. I think the reference was in the old Oakwood Press book by A. R. Catt, but I'll have to double-check, as I'm working from memory here..

There is a possibility that a 'P' worked the line circa 1961, but again I'd have to do more research on the shed allocations etc.

I'll get back to this later.

What you really need is access to the relevant 'Railway Observer' magazines for that period in time.

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Re: East Kent Light Railway
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2013, 14:51:08 »
In the latter BR days of the EKLR the section to Tilmanstone was supposedly exclusive to the O1 class of 0.6.0, of which the original company had had examples. However, on one occasion I observed one of the small `P` class tanks working at Shepherdswell, something that in more recent times has been questioned by `experts`. I think that it may have been just after electrification, a time when Dover shed lost several of its O1s, including one that finished up in London, at Stewarts Lane. Perhaps there was a shortage of the normal allocation for the line. Would welcome any thoughts on this and whether any photographic evidence exists.

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Re: East Kent Light Railway
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2013, 12:07:47 »
Not a great picture, but this is the Shepherdswell Goods Yard.

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Re: East Kent Light Railway
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2013, 19:37:24 »
A 1953 photo of the signal at the south end of Eastry Town station [looking NE]

A link to discussion of the functions of the levers in the ground frame at the station: http://www.signalbox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1271


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Re: East Kent Light Railway
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2012, 12:31:54 »
Thanks Chaps, it kept me amused all last night and this morning... I must get out more.   S4, please do. 

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Re: East Kent Light Railway
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2012, 10:51:57 »
Oh dear DaveTheTrain, why did you not ask me about such a site? They are affiliated to Sub Brit and I have wasted many happy hours there tracing lost lines. There are some good bits about the lost Greenwich Park branch (I reckon that has a Kent link) on one of the two good Lost Underground sites. I will PM you with them when I find them again. S4
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Re: East Kent Light Railway
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2012, 09:10:44 »
If you've only just discovered disused stations, then you have a LOT of reading ahead of you!

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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2012, 08:59:40 »
I have just discovered this website of disused stations whilst looking for something else.  Quite a few Kent stations but I will pick EKLR as an example:

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/e/eythorne/index.shtml

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Re: East Kent Light Railway
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2010, 09:11:58 »
It probably looks much the same nowadays. Looking at LenP's photo has reminded me of a little incident out the "Well". We'd just run round at Snowdown and were now back at Shepherdswell, probably with 60 empty wagons. I jumped down onto the platform (near where the 08 loco is) and waved my driver on until he was clear of the dummy or ground signal (just visible in the photo). By then of course the loco was well into the tunnel when the last wagon was past the dummy.My driver could just see my hand signals when he looked back without banging his head on the tunnel wall.
The difference this time was that the string of loaded wagons, usually where they can be seen in the photo, were this time left on the siding adjacent to the main line. I'd agreed with my driver beforehand the course of action. After the dummy came off he'd give me time to walk back and hold the spring points over before he set back.The lever for these points had to be held back all the time the train was moving through the points otherwise the train would derail.So this little plan was all working nicely with my driver pushing back and the rear wagon now near the spring points.Of course, the inevitable happened and a train load of coal appeared from the EKL Railway heading for the Long Sidings. My driver couldn't see me and I couldn't let go of the points handle. Fortunately the driver of the loaded coal train saw our train setting back and rapidly reversed back round onto the EKLR. Saved in the nick of time! There was a board with "Stop do not pass without permission" around the corner on the EKLR. As can be seen this was generally  ignored. I think the lever controlling the spring points can also be seen in the photo behind the 08 loco.

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Re: East Kent Light Railway
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2010, 12:57:43 »
The scene in LenP's photo was much the same in 1977 when I started working coal trains between the "Well" and Tilmanstone Colliery. A couple of siding names I can still remember. The Long Sidings went beside the main line (downside) towards Snowdown. This was where the empty wagons from Ashford were left. Another was the Gun Sidings. If a wagon was not fit to travel this was where we put them. I can still recall running beside a cripple wagon with a brake stick to stop it before it hit the buffer stops. My driver would have given it a quick push once it was uncoupled to get it moving. The current snowy weather brings back memories of walking up the track with the second man sanding the rails so that the driver could get traction with a loaded train. It was nice to be in the brake van with the coal stove glowing red in this weather. I understand the signalbox out the "Well" will be closed once the re-signalling is completed. In those days Shepherdswell had a station master, at least two clerks and two shunters. The booking office would be open from 0600 to 2200. I can also recall a Carriage and Wagon chap being out there. Nowadays I believe the booking office is only open part time in the mornings. At least it was about 9 years ago when I used to cover it.

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Re: East Kent Light Railway
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2010, 23:41:19 »


Shepherdswell. August 1973. Class 08 with colliery wagons for Timanstone.

 

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