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Re: Kent Beer Bottles
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2015, 17:27:05 »
 That is a lovely selection of local bottles you are uncovering there CAT and as you say a couple of them are not on my list, the reason for this is that they are Codd bottles rather than green/black beer type bottles, which is what my collection/list consists of. The Jackson bottle you have are really nice as they normally have an embossed pictorial image of Milton the poet to the front and come in two sizes. I think I still have an Argles and Stonham Hamilton bottle which, if my memory serves me correctly, has the writing in Italic type script on the bottle.. but I could easily be wrong!. The company is mentioned in Mark Reeds book 'Kent bottles' and they were at 70-71 Bank Street, Maidstone between 1860 and 1887, originally as a Chemists as you say. Your Seal mineral water bottle is from the company of William James Bryant 1870-1895, they were originally trading as Lamp oil and Coal merchants. This info from the above book. Good luck with the bottle finding and I am pleased you put up a post about what you have found so far. All the best, SB.

PS... Sorry I am a bit late with a reply, family matters have been very hectic recently. 

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Re: Kent Beer Bottles
« Reply #57 on: April 20, 2015, 22:25:49 »
Hi sheppey_bottles!
I've been an avid reader of KHF for some time, especially the discussion about yours, and others, collections, myself being a former bottle digger. In light of my former hobby, I still can't turn away from picking up a lost stray bottle today. Having just been working to the rear of a former pub in Borough Green, l recovered a few bottles some of which are not included on your list, which I assume includes mineral waters as well as beer bottles?
These consist of two (one larger than the other with one dark and one light green) of FREDk LENEY & SONS, PHOENIX BREWERY, WATERINGBURY. The smaller having W P 1911 on the base. One dark green bottle of ISHERWOOD MAIDSTONE, all three of the above I assume are beer bottles?
Of mineral bottles there are two of DTJ LYLE & SONS, both with the shield trade mark and with LYLE on the base. One of these has 'This bottle is the property of DTJ LYLE. To be returned when empty'. A Codd bottle of SEAL MINERAL WATERWORKS SEVENOAKS around an oval trade mark with SEAL KENT around B&S and a standard bottle of the PRIORY MINERAL WATER CO LTD MAIDSTONE and R WHITE with R WHITE REGD cross its base. Two bottles that are not on your list are Codd bottles of J BURGESS HADLOW with a purity shield trademark and another Codd marked with 'This bottle lent by JACKSON MILTON SITTINGBOURNE', 'Codds patent 4 sole makers Codd &  Ryland Barnsley'. The most interesting bottle is a 'torpedo' type bottle of ARGLES SON & STONHAM BANK STREET MAIDSTONE GENUINE AERATED WATERS. Though there is a little about the formation of the company as a pharmacy on line, very little seems to be known about their aerated waters? Can you help?
Lastly, numerous bottles of HD RAWLINGS were recovered, but only one had 'by appointment to the King and Prince of Wales' on it. Not a Kent bottle, but clearly a popular brand?
I may still have more in my cellar, but am not quite ready to venture in yet.
A lot to take in, but I would be interested in any comments and info.

Many thanks.

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« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2015, 10:26:37 »
A number of my old bottles have come from similair situations, Divers or trawled up from the sea bed. The Priory Mineral Water Co are quite well known amongst local bottle collectors and were based  at 21 Knightrider Street in Maidstone between 1903 and 1918. Bottles used by the company are embossed glass Codd bottles such as yours in two sizes along with other glass types in clear and coloured glass, they also used stoneware Ginger beer bottles as well. Thanks for showing your bottle on here, a picture speaks a thousand words, and I am sure others will find this very interesting to see. All the best and thanks, SB :)

PS.. Details on the Priory Mineral Co taken from the book, Kent Bottles, by Mark Reed and published by SAWD Books. ISBN: 1-872489-18-4 

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Re: Kent Beer Bottles
« Reply #55 on: March 27, 2015, 22:21:15 »
sheppey_bottles I hope you find this of interest.

In 2013 I visited (from Australia) an old mate whom I spent my teenage years with in Strood.  He now lives in Wales and we had not met for some 30 years.  Being a keen scuba diver he was enthusiastic to show me what he had found whilst diving in the River Medway, adjacent to Aylesford Priory some years ago.  The glass bottle moulding reads "The Priory Mineral Water Co Ltd" and there was also the glass ball inside.
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Re: Kent Beer Bottles
« Reply #54 on: March 24, 2015, 14:51:32 »
A new Pint beer bottle to add to the list of bottles I have collected..

Style,  Maidstone.   

Note, Style of Maidstone joined Winch of Chatham and became Style and Winch of Maidstone.

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Re: Kent Beer Bottles
« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2015, 19:20:27 »
A few new bottles to add to my list, they do not come along very often now.

H.G. Birch, Folkestone.

T. Cook & Son Co, Dover and Folkestone.

Philpott, Ramsgate, two new dated bottles 1903, 1905.

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Re: Kent Beer Bottles
« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2014, 22:30:31 »
D T J Lyle of Strood. I have a ginger beer embossed bottle which has never been opened and still has ginger beer in it. My mum and uncle both worked for Lyles at Strood in the 50s.

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« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2014, 22:18:17 »
Hi. I know it was a long time ago this was posted but my mum and uncle both worked for Lyle in Strood. If you want to know a bit more contact me.

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« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2014, 22:13:26 »
Thank you so much snodlandmalc, sheppey_bottles and seafordpete for all your wonderful responses.  Seeing the photos of the mineral water factories and all of those Lyle mineral water bottles is fascinating.  I wish I had such a wonderful collection of Lyle bottles!!!

I found the following website and the style of the bottles is very similar
http://www.swanseabottles.com/Brighton%20page.htm
Does the style of bottle originate from south Wales?  Arthur John Monkley Lyle and Daniel Thomas James Lyle were born in Cardiff.

Snodlandmalc: The D.T.J. Lyle bottle on the far right of your photo has Strood & Crayford below the crest.  It looks as though Daniel Thomas James Lyle also had a factory in London Road, Crayford as shown in the following photo:  (I wonder where the Strood site was?)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andytakersdad/1348055793/

Another photo of the same building (by the same person) suggests the building was also a former R. White's factory!!!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andytakersdad/2770620188/

Here is the streetview link:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=4+London+Road,+Crayford,+United+Kingdom&hl=en&ll=51.451645,0.177586&spn=0.001397,0.003449&sll=51.451663,0.177616&sspn=0.006295,0.006295&layer=c&cbp=13,325.68,,0,1.52&cbll=51.451645,0.177586&hnear=4+London+Rd,+Crayford,+Greater+London+DA1+4,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=18&vpsrc=0&panoid=OS3TICK9RGSAFUb3BUIS7A

AnDy: My dad believes that my uncle has a Lyle mineral water bottle with a marble in the top.  I will speak to him soon.

seafordpete: I see what you mean about the brackets on the King Street, Maidstone building.  They are in the same position as the bottle in the photo posted by sheppey_bottles.  I had a good look on street view.

I may well take a trip to Maidstone tomorrow to take a look at the building and visit maidstone museum.

sheppey_bottles: I like the photo of the Lyle works on fire which you think is Tunbridge Wells.  Are you able to confirm that this was the business of Alexander Charles Lyle?
The following link shows his death details.
http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/39731/pages/6849/page.pdf
Do you have any idea where this photo was taken in Tunbridge wells?  He died at Chatswood, Culverden Park, Tunbridge Wells, Kent but that may have been his home rather than his business.

Thank you all so much for your help.

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Re: Kent Beer Bottles
« Reply #49 on: April 30, 2012, 19:40:24 »
Just received an email from gabriellabrigo@btinternet.com who says the following:-

I own an original ELVEY & CO DOVER,  glass bottle
found when digging my garden many years ago.
Is it an important item?
Please let me know
Thank you and Kind regards
Gabriella Brigo-Cowling BA NRPSI

Hope someone here finds that of interest.

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Re: Kent Beer Bottles
« Reply #48 on: April 20, 2012, 16:06:46 »
I am still collecting old Embossed beer bottles from Kent breweries that have long gone and I here include an updated list of the items I have found so far. If you have any that are not on this list I would be very pleased to hear from you. Thankyou, SB.

Town   Company

ASH    GARDNER
ASHFORD    ASHFORD BREWERIES
ASHFORD    WILKS
ASHFORD/LYDD     FINN BOTH TOWN NAMES,ALSO SEE LYDD ONLY.
AYLESFORD     DANES
BEXLEY    REFFELLS
BROMLEY    CAMDEN
CANTERBURY    ASH AND CO
CANTERBURY    G BEER
CANTERBURY    FLINTS
CANTERBURY    CANTERBURY BREWERY
CANTERBURY    SHAXBY
CANTERBURY    HOLDEN
CANTERBURY   JOHNSON & CO
CHATHAM    OWEN J CARTER
CHATHAM    PETT
CHATHAM    ARKCOLL
CHATHAM    EDWIN SMITH
CHATHAM    KENNEDY
CHATHAM    BUTCHER
CHATHAM    TUCK
CRANBROOK    SHARPE AND WINCH
DARTFORD    DARTFORD BREWERY
DARTFORD    KIDD
DEAL    BIRD AND SON
DEAL    NETHERSOLE AND SONS
DOVER    DOVER BREWERY
DOVER    LENEY
DOVER    JAMES BINFIELD
DOVER    T E BARNARD CENTRAL STORES
DOVER,DEAL,FOLKESTONE    SOUTER HOP ALE
DOVER,FOLKESTONE    SOUTER HOP ALE
DOVER/FOLKESTONE    JOHN LUKEY AND SONS
ELTHAM    KENWARD
FAVERSHAM    SHEPHERD NEAME
FAVERSHAM    RIGDEN
FAVERSHAM    DARCY
FAVERSHAM    GEORGE BEER AND RIGDEN
FAVERSHAM    SPENDIFF
FOLKESTONE    GOSLING STORES
FOLKESTONE    JAS FISK (WINE MERCHANT)
FOLKESTONE    UNDERWOOD PENFOLD
FOLKESTONE    PURSEY
FOLKESTONE    BROOKE
FOLKESTONE/HYTHE    BROOKE
FRANT    WARE
GILLINGHAM    ARGO
GILLINGHAM    CROFT
GRAVESEND    WOODS
GRAVESEND    CHARRINGTON
GRAVESEND    SHRIMP
GRAVESEND    RUSSELS
HADLOW    KENWARD AND COURT
HERNE BAY     MAXWELL
HERNE BAY    FLINN
BURTON BREWERY
HERNE BAY    BARNWELL
HYTHE    MACKESON
LAMBERHURST    SMITH AND CO
LYDD    FINN
MAIDSTONE    BARKER
MAIDSTONE    FREMLIN (NO TOWN NAME ON BOTTLE)
MAIDSTONE    WATSON
MAIDSTONE    MASON
MAIDSTONE    ISHERWOOD
MAIDSTONE    STYLE AND WINCH
MAIDSTONE    TEMPERANCE BEER CO LTD
MAIDSTONE    LYLE
MAIDSTONE    ISHERWOOD FOSTER STACEY
MAIDSTONE    FAIRBURN
MAIDSTONE    MARSH
MARGATE    COBBS
MARGATE    RAYNERS STORES
MARGATE    REEVE AND CO
MARGATE    CRAWFORD
MARGATE    WEBB AND CO
MARGATE    A. BAYLY AND CO
NEW BROMPTON    PASSBY
NORTHFLEET    NEW NORTHFLEET BREWERY
NORTHFLEET    BARKAWAY
RAMSGATE    PHILPOTT 1895/1900/1907/1910/1911/1913 (dates embossed on bottle)
RAMSGATE    WASTALL
RAMSGATE    TOMSON AND WOTTON (NO TOWN NAME)
RAMSGATE    TOMSON AND WOTTON (WITH TOWN NAME)
ROCHESTER   STYLE AND WINCH
ROCHESTER   WOODHAMS
ROCHESTER    DOVE 
ROCHESTER    MERRETT
SANDWICH    EAST KENT BREWERY
SANDWICH    H AND G WATTS
SEVENOAKS    JOHN BLIGH
SHEERNESS    ROYAL HOTEL (J.J MILES )
SITTINGBOURNE    DEAN AND WILLIAMS
SITTINGBOURNE    PRENTIS
SITTINGBOURNE    SITTINGBOURNE STEAM BOTTLING AND BREWERY CO
STROOD    BIGGS
STROOD    DAMPIER
STROOD    BUDDEN AND BIGGS
SWANSCOMBE    MOORE BROS
TONBRIDGE    SWAN
TONBRIDGE    BARTRAM
TUNBRIDGE WELLS     CAVE EDWARDS
TUNBRIDGE WELLS     DUPREE
TUNBRIDGE WELLS     ROBINS
TUNBRIDGE WELLS     KELSEY
TUNBRIDGE WELLS    MONTAGUE D BROWN
TUNBRIDGE WELLS    E LYLE
WALMER    THOMPSON
WATERINGBURY    JUDE HANBURY
WATERINGBURY    LENEY
WEST MALLING    PHILIPS
WESTERHAM    BUSHELL WATKINS & SMITH
WESTGATE    T W DENNY
WESTGATE    H MINTER
WHITSTABLE    WHITSTABLE BOTTLING

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Re: Kent Beer Bottles
« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2011, 16:14:36 »
I recieved a PM today from a member asking about bottle stoppers and dont ask why but I remembered that I had a Codd bottle opener for the company of Lyles on a shelf (See previous on this thread). The openers shown are made of wood and are basicaly the same apart from one which has Lyle inscribed into the top. This would have been placed over the top of a Codd bottle and would have been pushed down with the palm of your hand. This would then release the glass marble from the rubber ring seal in the lip which was held in place by internal gas pressure (fizzy) and you could then pour your drink. It would have been nice to have a town on it as well, but as it was found near here in Kent..so 'probably Maidstone' will do :) They are both roughly 1.5 inches across.


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« Reply #46 on: October 23, 2011, 22:46:00 »
Thanks seafordpete and sheppey_bottles for the additional info:

Darren

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« Reply #45 on: October 23, 2011, 13:54:58 »
There is another Lyle in Redhill! go to the bottom of the page on this link for another Lyle related? to yours. All the best, SB.

http://www.redhill-reigate-history.co.uk/pubsofredhill.htm

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Re: Kent Beer Bottles
« Reply #44 on: October 23, 2011, 13:40:03 »
1913 Kelly's directory
Alexander Charles Lyle 5b Calverley St T Wells
Arthur Lyle 24 Beniah Rd T Wells
Daniel T Lyle 91 King St Maidstone
Samuel James Lyle 7 Clarendon Pla, King St M/Stone
Lyle SA  Linda, Station Rd Crayford

Mineral Water Manufs.
Lyle DTJ
91 King St M/stone
Frinsbury Brewery Frinsbury Rd Strood.
London Rd Crayford
West St Sittingbourne

Daniel T Lyle is also shown as Secretary of Kent & Sussex Association of Mineral water Manufacturers & Ale & Porter Bottlers Trade Protection Association 91 King St M/s

Lyle E & Sons
Calverley Rd & Garden St T Wells

 

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