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Re: Royal Marine Barracks, Chatham
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2011, 21:55:13 »
Welcome to the forum ubique, thank you for sharing your memories  :)  I can imagine someone doing something like that, although the entrance arch does look rather high!

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Re: Royal Marine Barracks, Chatham
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2011, 18:22:19 »
Kyn,
ref. your picture of the main gate of the Royal Marines barracks. My mother often told the story of a drum major who when marching through the gates  in front of the R.M.Band would toss his mace over the entrance arch.My father was a chatham marine 1923 to 1946 so if true would probably be from the 1930's/40's.
Myth or fact?

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Re: Royal Marine Barracks, Chatham
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2010, 17:22:17 »
These photos may be of interest to your father Blongb, they were taken in the early 20th century (c.1900-10) and were (I believe) taken either in the Chatham Marine Barracks or the nearby Melville Barracks.







Larger versions (and more RMLI pictures) here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/22124479@N03/sets/72157624283300565/
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Re: Royal Marine Barracks, Chatham
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2010, 17:09:09 »
Thank-you to all above, for your informative posts about the former Royal Marine Barracks, at Chatham. I found your site after my Father J F H Bowns, now aged 90, asked me to find out if the Barracks were still there. He joined the Royal Marines in 1937 and was posted directly to Chatham at the age of 17. ( CHX1916 (T) ) Normally Marines did their Basic Training at Deal, but because of the increasing numbers passing through the system in the build up to the coming war, three extra intakes were trained at Chatham, Portsmouth and Plymouth respectively. After his initial 18 weeks of Basic he was went off to Plymouth to complete his Gunnery and Infantry Training. On completion he was sent back to Chatham to await his posting to a ship. Luckily for him this was to the 8 inch Heavy Cruiser HMS Kent. He completed 2 commissions on her. The first was up to her being torpedoed in the Mediterranean in 1941 and the second was after her repairs were completed in Plymouth in 1942. My father served his full 22 years in the Royal Marines and reached the rank of R.S.M. To this day he still considers himself to be a Chatham Marine.    

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Re: Royal Marine Barracks, Chatham
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2010, 16:28:58 »
A plan of the lots on sale in 1958.


This plan shows the tunnels marked

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Re: Royal Marine Barracks, Chatham
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2010, 23:36:19 »
Thanks for the photo's 'Leofwine'.  Particularly enjoyed the 2nd photo of the RMLI set; did anyone else notice the old boy on his pushbike holding the handrail of the tram as it proceeds up Dock Road? :-)

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Re: Royal Marine Barracks, Chatham
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2010, 11:52:27 »
Thanks for showing these photos.  My father joined the RM in Chatham around 1912 and was in the RMLI, so it is really interesting to see what the area was like back then. 
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Re: Royal Marine Barracks, Chatham
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2010, 18:56:20 »
Some more from Couchman:

Postcard photograph entitled Royal Marines Light Infantry (RMLI) Main Entrance to Barracks comprising view of Royal Marines Barracks, Dock Road, Chatham, looking west from embankment on opposite side of Dock Road, showing in foreground carriageway, part of guard room, cannon bollards, sentry, civilian bystander, gates, trees, wrought iron canopy and lantern, overhead railings and gate posts, in middle ground parade ground and fatigue party of marines in duck jackets being drilled and in distance other ranks? accommodation block. Couchman?s accompanying notes pertain to building of barracks 1780-1784. Gale and Polden's Wellington Series. c.1910


Postcard photograph entitled Main Gate and Barracks, Chatham comprising view of Royal Marines Barracks, Dock Road, Chatham, looking north from point near top of Church Hill, showing in left middle ground gateway and adjutant's office and in middle distance commandant's quarters and officers' quarters. Street scene shows carriageway, tram lines, trees, pavement, cyclist and tram car. Couchman's accompanying notes pertain to Hill House on same site 1569-1805 and vacation and demolition of barracks 1950 and 1959. Postmarked Rochester 25 May 1909


Postcard photograph entitled Entrance, Royal Marine Barracks, Chatham comprising view of Royal Marines Barracks, Dock Road, Chatham, looking west from embankment opposite, showing in foreground cobbled entrance way, cannon bollards, sentry in No.1 Dress, boy bystander, gates, trees, wrought iron canopy and lantern, overhead railings and gate posts, in middle ground parade ground and fatigue party of marines in duck jackets, universal dress caps and blue trousers being drilled and in distance other ranks? accommodation block. Chatham Borough Council coat of arms superimposed. Published by Woolstone Brothers, London EC, Milton Glazette Series and printed in Germany. c.1910


Tinted postcard photograph entitled Chatham, Main Entrance, Royal Marine Barracks comprising view of Royal Marines Barracks, Dock Road, Chatham, looking south-west from position in carriageway slightly to north, showing in foreground part of guard room (left-hand side), part of adjutant's office (right-hand side), carriageway, cannon bollards, sentry in greatcoat, civilian bystander, gates, trees, wrought iron canopy and lantern, overhead railings and gate posts, in middle ground parade ground and in distance other ranks' accommodation block.  Published by Thornton Brothers, New Brompton. Postmarked Chatham-Rochester 6 September 1922


Postcard photograph entitled Royal Marines Light Infantry (RMLI), Men's Quarters comprising view of Royal Marines Barracks, Dock Road, Chatham, looking north-west across parade ground from point in parade ground, showing in foreground parade ground, in middle ground and distance other ranks' accommodation block, marines in duck jackets, blue trousers and fore-and-aft forage caps, other marines in No.1 Dress, benches, railings and trees and in right distance western end of officers' quarters. Gale and Polden's Wellington Series. c.1910


Postcard photograph entitled Marine Barracks, Chatham comprising view of Royal Marines Barracks, Dock Road, Chatham, looking north-north-west across parade ground from south-eastern corner of parade ground towards officers' quarters, showing in fore and middle grounds parade ground and tree, in left middle ground and distance other ranks' accommodation block sergeants' mess, non-commissioned officers? library, officers' library and trees and in right distance officers' quarters and shrubs. Excel Series. c.1920


Postcard photograph entitled Main Gate, Royal Marine Barracks, Chatham comprising view of Royal Marines Barracks, Dock Road, Chatham, looking west from embankment on opposite side of Dock Road, showing in foreground carriageway and divisional band in No.1 Dress (Home Service Dress) executing left turn into Dock Road through main gate, in middle ground part of guard room, trees, gate pillars, wrought iron canopy and civilian spectators including schoolboy in trencher, in middle distance visible through left hand gate and main gate marching platoons of marines also in No.1 Dress (Home Service Dress) and in distance other ranks' accommodation block. On rear, message from James (Jim) [-] N. Munn, Torpedo Boat 35, Portland, Dorset, c/o General Post Office (GPO), London, to his cousin Emma [-] explaining his part in manoeuvres, burden of looking after 4 officers and complaining of being fed up with this kind of life, dated 31 July 1910.


Tinted postcard photograph entitled Chatham Royal Marine Barracks comprising view of Royal Marines Barracks, Dock Road, Chatham, looking north-north-west from south-eastern corner of parade ground across parade ground towards Officers' Quarters, showing in foreground parade ground, in middle ground two platoons of marines in Home Service uniform, in left middle distance other ranks? accommodation block, sergeants' mess, non-commissioned officers' library, Officers' Library and trees, in right middle distance divisional band and in distance, Officers' Quarters and trees. Published by Photocrom Co. Ltd., London. c.1910


Postcard photograph entitled Officers? Quarters, Chatham comprising oval view of northern range of buildings at Royal Marines Barracks, Dock Road, Chatham, looking north along Dock Road from point on east side of road and slightly to south, towards Dockyard Main gate (not in view), showing in foreground carriageway, in left middle ground range of buildings comprising Commandant's Quarters and Officers' Quarters beyond and in distance wall near Dockyard Main Gate. Street scene shows tram lines, tram car heading towards camera, tram power line columns, cannon bollards, trees, street lamp, horse and cart and pedestrians. Valentine?s Series. Postmarked Chatham 3 August 1912.



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Re: Royal Marine Barracks, Chatham
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2010, 18:09:34 »
Just found some lovely old images of the barracks in the Couchman collection:

Postcard photograph entitled Royal Marine Barracks, Chatham comprising view of Anchor Wharf and HM Gun Wharf looking north-east from Sun Pier, Chatham, showing in foreground bawley boats, in middle-ground Medway Rowing Club raft (left), HM Customs raft (right) and bawley boats, in middle distance right to left, HM Gun Wharf, St. Mary?s Church, Royal Marines Barracks, Anchor Wharf, long store, rigging and store house and steam tugs. c.1898  Tinted and monochrome versions.



Tinted postcard photograph entitled St. Mary?s Church and River Medway, Chatham comprising view of Anchor Wharf and HM Gun Wharf looking north-east from Sun Pier, Chatham, showing in foreground bawley boat and sailing barge, in middle-ground left to right, Medway Rowing Club raft (left), HM Customs raft (right), bawley boat, rowing boats and steam tug moored alongside Gun Wharf, in middle-distance right to left, HM Gun Wharf, Chatham Infantry (later Kitchener Royal Engineers?) Barracks and St. Mary?s Church and in distance and Royal Marines Barracks, long store and rigging house and store house. Postmarked Chatham 10 July 1906


Postcard photograph entitled Chatham, Gun Wharf and Dockyard comprising view of Anchor Wharf and HM Gun Wharf looking north-east from Sun Pier, Chatham, showing in foreground rowing boats, in middle-ground left to right, Medway Rowing Club raft (left), HM Customs raft (right), bawley boats and mud flats, in middle distance right to left, HM Gun Wharf, St. Mary?s Church, Royal Marines Barracks, Anchor Wharf, long store and rigging and store house and in distance covered building slips and steam tugs. Published by Raphael Tuck and Sons, Chatham, Silverette Series. c.1900
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Re: Royal Marine Barracks, Chatham
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2010, 17:43:52 »
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2010, 15:46:58 »
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Re: Royal Marine Barracks, Chatham
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2009, 13:50:05 »
From the Building News and Architectural Review. Vol 19 - July 11 1862.

"Barracks at Chatham - On Monday, Mssrs Ford and Sons, the contractors, commenced the erection of additional barracks at Chatham for the officers and men of the Royal Marines of that division. The new barrack buildings are to be erected on the vacant piece of ground on which Navy and Army Hotel and numerous other houses formerly stood, all of which were purchased by the Admiralty and taken down. It is intended to erect twenty-one large and commodious barrack rooms, each of 46 feet in length, and the whole capable of accommodating 600 men in addition to the number at present quartered at the barracks. There will also be quarters for the staff, and quartermasters, and other stores are to be erected. The new buildings, to be erected from the plans prepared by Col. Greene, Director of Admiralty Works, will be about 18 months in progress".

I think the 'quarters' alluded to for the Staff and Quartermasters might have been the Officers Quarters that were built on the Commissioners' Garden. Also, regarding the contractors named as 'Ford and Sons, I recall an old Rochester based building company of this name as recently as the 1970's.

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Re: Royal Marine Barracks, Chatham
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2009, 13:37:55 »
The tunnel/bridge referred to was to be under or over the lane that led down to the New Stairs landing place, and was to allow communication between the main barracks and the new single officers quarters that once stood where the new build Commisioner's Hayfield now stands.

In a document titled "Statutes of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland" is to be found an Act dated 10th August 1857 which was:
"An Act for enabling the Commissioners' of the Admiralty to purchase certain lands in the Parish of Chatham in the county of Kent, and to stop up, divert, or alter certain ways in the said parish; and for other purposes relating thereto."

This Act was commonly referred to as "The Chatham Lands Purchase Act 1857."

A schedule attached to the Act lists every property to be purchased; who owned it, who was the lessee of it, and who actually lived in it. The Act and the Schedule can be found in Google Books under a search of 'The Chatham Lands Purchase Act 1857'. The same search also brings up a separate act enabling the Admiralty to purchase the lands for the St Mary's Island dockyard extension.

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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2009, 12:31:20 »
A bit of scrap paper reveals this information, no idea of its origin.

In 1862 it had become apparent that the present accommodation for the Marines was insufficient for the increased number of officers and men stationed here, meaning 400 men have had to be placed in the Lines Barracks at the garrison.  With this in mind and also the inevitable return of the Royal Marines in Mexico it has been decided to enlarge the barracks according to plans submitted to parliament 4 years previously.  The land to be used has already been purchased and a hotel, tavern and around 20 private houses have been demolished to make way for the extension.  The site now stretches to the boundary wall of St Mary's Church.  Initial proposals also included the use of a portion of the neighbouring dockyard however this did not happen.  To allow communication with the other buildings on the opposite side of the road an arch or underground passage was proposed, it is unclear if either was constructed.  With the new barracks it will be possible to house 1,500 men, 700 more than presently capable.

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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2009, 21:32:50 »
Hill House was on the corner of Red Cat Lane and Dock Lane/Road with Hill house field where some of the Royal Marine Parade ground and part of the Barracks were.
 

 

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