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Re: St Mary's Church, Chatham
« Reply #117 on: November 02, 2015, 21:40:12 »
St Mary's Chatham Bell's Swansong.
Part (17.27) of a peal of Medway Surprise Major rung in 3 hours and 16 minutes at the Victoria Tower Chatham.
The bells were later removed and installed at St Goranus, Gorran, Cornwall. The work was completed in January 2015.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vKesJUuKzqg

Monumental inscriptions of St Mary the Virgin Church, Chatham. Recorded by D E Williams.
http://www,kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/Libr/MIs/CHAM/00.htm

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Re: St Mary's Church, Chatham
« Reply #116 on: December 16, 2014, 04:13:28 »
My name is Colin J Rosewell, born in Somerset, but resident of Gunnedah, NSW, Australia. I am a new member of Kent History Forum and have a number of queries relating to genealogy which goes across many topics. I hope you will forgive me if this is inappropriate but I choose to start here with a reply to Leofwine with some QI information.

Rev. Walter Rosewell was a cousin to Thomas Rosewell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Rosewell and was probably born in Combe Hay, Somerset about 1610. He graduated BA from Oxford 1629 and MA 1632. He was vicar of Doulting, Somerset 1637-1639 and vicar of St Mary’s Chatham from 1647.

Somerset & Dorset Notes and Queries, 2nd Series, XI, May 25, [18]61, p. 40
Chatham: Rosewell Family. Walter Rosewell, minister of Chatham in the time of the Commonwealth, was buried in the churchyard near the south-west door. His tomb bears a coat of arms, and the names of many descendants: the last being those of Benjamin Rosewell, of Clapton, Esq., and Ann Alleyne, his daughter, who died in 1782 and 1797, respectively. Can any of the correspondents of "N. & Q." inform me who is the present representative of the family? My object is the preservation of the tomb. It may here be noticed that the series of incumbents of Chatham given in Hasted is incorrect. Rosewell was not "restored" in 1662; for, according to the inscription on his tomb, and the entry in the parochial register, he died in 1658. I should also be glad to learn whether extracts have at any time been published, from a parochial record containing notes of proceedings in this parish in the seventeenth century. The Vicar of Chatham. [Presumably Samuel Arnott, 1857-1865]


Benjamin Rosewell (c. 1722-1782) of Clapton was an Attorney and Solicitor with offices at Throgmorton Street, London. His daughter Ann Rosewell (1748-1797) married John Downe Alleyne (1748-1777) in 1768. In his will, this Benjamin Rosewell directs that he be buried in the vault at Chatham. I presume that he is a grandson of Walter Rosewell. I don’t know who his parents are.

I have received the following information concerning the vault:
Monumental Inscription from the KFHS fiche, as recorded by the Borough Surveyor in 1946:
(Numbered as no. 81 for reference / indexing purposes)Vault
Walter Rosewell 16.5.1688 (sic) "Min. Parish of Chatham"
Susannah Rosewell 18.5.1691
Joseph
John
Daniel
Benjamin
Joan
Susannah
"Rest indecipherable"
And the corresponding entry from the KFHS' own listing (made in "1986 to 1995"):
(No. 81) "Vault covered in ivy"


I can now identify all but two of the names on the tomb:
16/05/1658 Rev Walter Rosewell (c.1610-1658), Minister of Chatham 
30/05/1691 Susannah Rosewell, wife of Walter
24/08/1654 Joseph Rosewell (1644-1654) s. Walter
29/05/1692 Mr John Rosewell (1643-1692) Lessee of land at Chatham. s. Walter. Married to Ruth (Smyth).
17/11/1693 Mr Daniel Rosewell (1651-1693) s. Walter. Married to Frances
04/12/1737 Benjamin Rosewell (1680-1737) Master Shipwright, Chatham. s. John & Ruth.
Joan - Not Known         
Susannah - Not known
10/06/1782 Benjamin Rosewell (1720-1782) Attorney of Clapton. s. William (1692-1726) Shipwright at Plymouth and who was 2nd s. Benjamin (1680-1737).
17/09/1797 Ann Alleyne (Rosewell) (1748-1797) d. Benjamin. Married to John Alleyne (1748-1777).

Thank you for your help.
Colin


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Re: St Mary's Church, Chatham
« Reply #115 on: February 25, 2014, 12:08:50 »
Regardless of Religion, at least there is a good chance that the building will be used and will not become derelict.
(depending on planning and Medway Council !)

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Re: St Mary's Church, Chatham
« Reply #114 on: February 24, 2014, 23:58:27 »
A denomination founded in Nigeria that aims to "plant churches within five minutes driving distance in every city and town of developed countries" and "to have a member of RCCG in every family in every nation".

I dislike the RCCG for its 'zero-tolerance' to homosexuality, but the church near me seems to keep itself to itself (unlike the ruddy Winners' Chapel).

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Re: St Mary's Church, Chatham
« Reply #113 on: February 24, 2014, 22:47:45 »
Interesting - remove the bells then apply for it to be a church again!  Be nice though.

Who are "Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG) Victorious Family Parish"?


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Re: St Mary's Church, Chatham
« Reply #112 on: February 24, 2014, 12:57:09 »
There has been an application to Medway Council to return this back to being a church.
http://planning.medway.gov.uk/DCOnline/AcolNetCGI.gov?ACTION=UNWRAP&RIPNAME=Root.PgeResultDetail&TheSystemkey=131722

The application is by the Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG) Victorious Family Parish

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Re: St Mary's Church, Chatham
« Reply #111 on: February 06, 2014, 13:38:38 »
The bells were removed recently from St Mary's. Not sure what's going to happen to the building.

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Re: St Mary's Church, Chatham
« Reply #110 on: February 05, 2014, 10:01:08 »
Does anyone know the fate of St Mary's, or St John's on Railway Street even?

Kent Online published an article in August last year that St Mary's could soon reopen, which only lead to sensational comments ("It'll be a mosque!" "It'll be a Tesco Express!"). But, I haven't heard a peep since then.

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Re: St Mary's Church, Chatham
« Reply #109 on: October 05, 2013, 12:14:39 »
Further searching of St. Marys Register shows:-

Walter + Anne Rosewell had the following children bapt.
Francis 10 Aug 1740.

Francis + Mary Rosewell had the following children bapt.
Benjamin 12 June 1725.
Josiah 8 March 1727.
Daniel 23 Jan. 1730.

Jeremiah + Rebecca Rosewell had the following children bapt.
Richard 3 Aug. 1725
Dorothy 13 Sept. 1726.
Elizabeth 12 Nov. 1728.
Ann 2 Oct. 1729.
Sarah 6 Nov. 1730.
Benjamin 8 Nov. 1732.

Apologies for disjointed replies, but the Register is not indexed nor is it in chronological order nor in event order which makes searching a bit long winded! There maybe more to come.

Mods.... should this now be moved to Genealogy?

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Re: St Mary's Church, Chatham
« Reply #108 on: October 05, 2013, 10:40:37 »
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Does anyone on this forum know anything further about (1) this ‘family’ of shipwrights; (2) the family of Reverend Walter Rosewell and (3) are they related?

Whilst trawling through St. Mary's Register (Cityark) I found the following entries which maybe relevant:-

Walter Rosewell, son of Walter Rosewell + Ann bapt. 13 Nov. 1744.
Francis Rosewell married Sarah Barr 17 Feb. 1733.

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Re: St Mary's Church, Chatham
« Reply #107 on: October 02, 2013, 12:30:06 »
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Re: St Mary's Church, Chatham
« Reply #106 on: October 02, 2013, 12:18:49 »
I am sure that on a land ownership plan of land to be purchased by the Crown for the Chatham defences a large tract of land close to St Mary's Church is shown to be in the ownership of 'Widow Rosewell'. The plan would have been from the early 1700's. No knowledge of full name though.

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Re: St Mary's Church, Chatham
« Reply #105 on: October 01, 2013, 03:37:45 »
My name is Colin J Rosewell, born in Somerset, but resident of Gunnedah, NSW, Australia. I am a new member of Kent History Forum and have a number of queries relating to genealogy which goes across many topics. I hope you will forgive me if this is inappropriate but I choose to start here with a reply to Leofwine with some QI information.

Rev. Walter Rosewell was a cousin to Thomas Rosewell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Rosewell and was probably born in Combe Hay, Somerset about 1610. He graduated BA from Oxford 1629 and MA 1632. He was vicar of Doulting, Somerset 1637-1639 and vicar of St Mary’s Chatham from 1647.

Somerset & Dorset Notes and Queries, 2nd Series, XI, May 25, [18]61, p. 40
Chatham: Rosewell Family. Walter Rosewell, minister of Chatham in the time of the Commonwealth, was buried in the churchyard near the south-west door. His tomb bears a coat of arms, and the names of many descendants: the last being those of Benjamin Rosewell, of Clapton, Esq., and Ann Alleyne, his daughter, who died in 1782 and 1797, respectively. Can any of the correspondents of "N. & Q." inform me who is the present representative of the family? My object is the preservation of the tomb. It may here be noticed that the series of incumbents of Chatham given in Hasted is incorrect. Rosewell was not "restored" in 1662; for, according to the inscription on his tomb, and the entry in the parochial register, he died in 1658. I should also be glad to learn whether extracts have at any time been published, from a parochial record containing notes of proceedings in this parish in the seventeenth century. The Vicar of Chatham. [Presumably Samuel Arnott, 1857-1865]


Benjamin Rosewell (c. 1722-1782) of Clapton was an Attorney and Solicitor with offices at Throgmorton Street, London. His daughter Ann Rosewell (1748-1797) married John Downe Alleyne (1748-1777) in 1768. In his will, this Benjamin Rosewell directs that he be buried in the vault at Chatham. I presume that he is a grandson of Walter Rosewell. I don’t know who his parents are.

I have received the following information concerning the vault:
Monumental Inscription from the KFHS fiche, as recorded by the Borough Surveyor in 1946:
(Numbered as no. 81 for reference / indexing purposes)Vault
Walter Rosewell 16.5.1688 (sic) "Min. Parish of Chatham"
Susannah Rosewell 18.5.1691
Joseph
John
Daniel
Benjamin
Joan
Susannah
"Rest indecipherable"
And the corresponding entry from the KFHS' own listing (made in "1986 to 1995"):
(No. 81) "Vault covered in ivy"


I presume that Susannah (d. 1688) was his wife. In my search for the children of Walter Rosewell I came across another Benjamin Rosewell who was a Master Shipwright at the Chatham Dockyard.

Using the fabulous resources of http://threedecks.org/ I found that Benjamin Rosewell built 35 and designed 5 ships between 1705 and 1737. Other Shipwrights at Chatham were William Rosewell 1710-1711; Francis Rosewell 1714-1743; Jeremiah Rosewell 1719-1731 and John Rosewell 1732. These also served as Shipwrights at Sheerness and Deptford. Benjamin Rosewell was a Governor of the Hawkins Hospital (1726-1734) and John was the Beadle of Chatham Manor (1738).

Does anyone on this forum know anything further about (1) this ‘family’ of shipwrights; (2) the family of Reverend Walter Rosewell and (3) are they related?


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Re: St Mary's Church, Chatham
« Reply #104 on: February 08, 2013, 18:36:54 »
The reason I said St. Mary's Gillingham (again apologies as it should have been St. Mary Magdalene) I had done a quick search of the info I had previously posted for Gillingham parish, which came from Bagshaw's History Gazetteer & Directory of Kent in 1847.  With most of the places he has on the CD, he also gives a potted history going back to the earliest times recorded that he has found.  I found Chatham very interesting (also posted) as it mentioned such a lot that I never knew in the early history.

I hope something turns up regarding St. Mary's Church.....will keep my eyes open. :)

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Re: St Mary's Church, Chatham
« Reply #103 on: February 08, 2013, 18:30:39 »
Lots of early references in City Ark to St. Thomas Chapel, including a proposal to build one on the Isle of Grain, but that didn't happen.  I got it wrong by implying that St. Mary's did not exist before the 1300s. I suppose the chapel might have been linked to St. Mary's as the mother church, but that seemed highly unlikely reading the history. I believe the St. Thomas chapel to have been stone built, but I can't source the proof of that just now.

 

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